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Vampire ,
@Vampire@hexbear.net avatar

sci-hub and annas-archive

I want to be less reliant on Wikipedia and Google Scholar, but in truth I still use them a lot

linucs OP ,

So you directly read papers on those topics? I tried doing that but I feel it requires a huge amount of background

Cheradenine ,

I am not the person you are replying to.

I read a lot of papers and it is hard if you don’t have background knowledge of the subject. If it’s something I am really interested in, then I will dive deep, if it’s not I will probably let it go when I get to the point where I no longer grasp what’s being said.

explore_broaden ,

Why do you want to be less reliant on Wikipedia?

lemann ,

Curious about this one too

sunzu ,
  1. Centralize anything and it will be ruined bubthe regime
  2. Wiki is already under a lot of pressure as is due to be as central as it is. There were rumors of them being under US Security service supervision so how good can it really be and where is it going to go now
OhmsLawn ,

The same way as topics in my field of expertise, of course.

YouTube.

linucs OP ,

Follow up question: how do you find actual good and trustable channels on a specific topic?

OhmsLawn ,

I’m going to think about that and get back to you. I think it’s mostly intuitive, based on many years of experience, but I’m not sure at this point.

I also have to mention that I was half joking. I don’t use YT all that much for my profession. I would, but it’s just not entirely relevant.

Muun ,

Youtube comments can be strangely helpful here, sometimes. If there’s a lot of “akshually” comments on every video, it may be a sign the youtuber is full of it. Not always true, but anything helps. Can also look up the youtuber’s credentials as well.

wewbull ,

You know that channels can curate which comments they have visible on their videos? Mostly this is used to silence hateful comments, but it’s just as easily abused to remove all differing points of view.

If all the comments agree, you’re probably in a curated bubble.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

Youtube u gotta get the widest set of opinions possible. Unfortunatly peertube just lacks content.

linucs OP ,

I repeat what I said to the other commenter: how do you find actual good and trustable channels on a specific topic?

Carrolade ,

Go with people who are willing to use their real name, a lot of times it’ll be in the channel description, or sometimes in a channel trailer or intro video. Sometimes in an interview some other outlet/creator has done on the content creator. Then google that real name and check their work history and education credentials. You can usually find a LinkedIn. If they’re a proper academic, their university will usually have a brief page on them on the official university website. If they’re an alumni, they can sometimes be found in an alumni list, various class lists, or publicly accessible projects they worked on, though not always. Work history often cannot be as easily verified, but sometimes can be if you dig a little. Depends on field.

It’s not too different from what you’d do if you wanted to hire someone to work for you in a small business or something.

Once you have a significant knowledge base yourself, you can start to use the sniff test, though that’s always far from perfect. Less time consuming though.

fjordbasa ,

I highly disagree with looking for the widest set of opinions. Some opinions are stupid and/or baseless and just muddy the conversation (that’s part of how you get screaming talking heads on cable news shows).

Personally I look for those with expertise who speak to their expertise. Just because someone has an advanced degree in one field does not mean their opinions in other fields are worth listening to. Also, I do a gut check. If is smells like BS, such as unfounded blanket statements or it seems like they’re pushing/selling something, I look into their qualifications a bit more or find someone else.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

You can learn a lot from the stupid baseless opinions. Learning what they are omitting what they are lieing about what they are pushing.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

Finding a trustworthy source is the hardest part. I generally avoid anyone speaking too loudly of the subject. Someone who’s knowledgeable and confident, most times, can present calmly with context that’s accessible to most people.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is a good example. He’s a good place to start for a broad range of topics. Then if I want more details I can dig deeper on my own. A lot of times, his commentary requires digging deeper because he speaks too broadly.

I always check the source of a report or article; if there is no source, I don’t trust it. The source is usually a good place to ‘bookmark’ for further research.

Vampire ,
@Vampire@hexbear.net avatar

Trying to learn from ‘youtubers’ seems like asking for trouble.

Lectures posted on youtube etc. are different I suppose.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

Well u need to know enough about sonthing before you cant tell if your being bullshit or not. Generally i just try get every single perspective i can and make my own decision. I assume everyone has a slant but by watching everyone u can cancel that out.

Vampire ,
@Vampire@hexbear.net avatar

for what kind of topics?

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Watch and read as much youtube and article as possible, and try to join a discussion with open mind.

Shard ,

I’d caveat that with watch reliable well researched channels and not pop-sci or even god forbid pseudoscientific, or pseudo-intellectual channels that seem helpful but are actually BS wrapped in foil.

Any of the PBS science channels are typically good for science.

How money works, Wendover, are great for Economics stuff.

The engineering mindset, practical engineering are great for engineering related stuff.

Taalnazi ,

What would you say of History of the Universe and History of the Earth?

Shard ,

History of the Universe,

There’s probably good stuff on SEA, Astrum, PBS Spacetime? even Cool Worlds. To a lesser extent perhaps even John Michael Godier or Isaac Arthur have lots of good information because even though they are Sci-fi channels, they do hard sci-fi, so all based on established science and astronomy.

History of the earth(geological),

PBS Eons, Sci Show, History of the Earth,

History of the earth, (anthropological) North 02

Ioughttamow ,

Well you see I’m a major GEN er alllllllllllll

But seriously Wikipedia, YouTube guides, enthusiast forums. Usually try to read from multiple sources

Dagwood222 ,

youtu.be/MPvJkB8q2v0

With lyrics.

MajorHavoc , (edited )

There used to be these buildings full of books that I could just borrow for free.

linucs OP ,

Love books and huge fan of libraries but how do you find the right book in the ocean of books?

rescue_toaster ,

“Don’t you know the Dewey decimal system?”

Sorry, stupid reference. In seriousness though, type in a topic into your library’s search and start browsing, check out a few that seem useful.

I’m an academic and I find my University’s library useful for finding knowledge on a new topic. If an introductory textbook exists on the subject, can be a good starting point.

For Most hobbies though, youtube is a great resource. I’ve gotten into woodworking and fishing, and youtube is a superb resource for information.

variants ,

Just sit at the library for a while, sit near the shelf that has the topic you’re interested in and grab a few books at a time and go through them to see if any seem like the right book

Bougie_Birdie ,
@Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ask the librarian nicely and they’ll probably be able to point you in the right direction. Cataloguing information is kind of their thing, and helping people get access to that information is why many of them join the profession.

MajorHavoc ,

I was taught in school how to use the library catalog. It was considered essential, for success in life, at the time.

I actually do know how to use Dewey Decimal, if I haven’t forgotten.

In these modern times, there’s generally a PC near the information desk, with the browser home page set to a library catalog search tool, specific to that library.

And as someone else mentioned, we can ask the librarian for help, when we don’t find what we need. I actually shortcut the process and ask for a quick lesson in how to use the search, if I’m feeling uncertain.

Dagwood222 ,

Ask a librarian.

DrBob ,

A review paper from a reputable journal. The Annual Reviews series was great for this. Some of the Nature journals also used to run mini-reviews associated with research papers in the issue.

magic_lobster_party ,

I post my ignorant opinions somewhere. There’s always someone who will correct me with correct information.

sunzu , (edited )

The life of the shitpoaster.

But for real comment section can be very useful to learn if you are willing to do it.

There is generally somebody who knows what they are talking about. Just got to figure out who.

Reddit had so much fluff and moderation as if they didn't want you to find good info.

bobs_monkey ,

Ah yes, Moore’s Law

magic_lobster_party ,

It’s Poe’s law

bobs_monkey ,

Would you say Poe is cunning, and likes ham?

IMongoose ,

I post my ignorant opinions somewhere. There’s always someone who will correct me with correct information.

Not always.

(see what I did there)

PaulSmackage ,
@PaulSmackage@hexbear.net avatar

Reading papers and contacting people in that field. I’ve found that university professors can especially direct you to materials in their field, and even like to chat about it sometimes. Half of my book collection was found this way.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I skim the Wikipedia page on whatever topic is being discussed and pretend to be an expert.

Nobody ,

My flat earther forums have a stickied Q&A where you can find the real truth on any topic. Did you know that dolphins are aliens sent to spy on us?

0_0j ,
@0_0j@lemmy.world avatar

Oh boy

wewbull ,

No, that’s mice.

Dolphins are native but capable of space travel as they are far more intelligent than us. It’s an understandable mistake to make.

Gallahad_the_ger ,

So long and thanks for all the fish!

Catsrules ,

The Internet.

Dagwood222 ,

Isaac Asimov wrote books on a wide range of topics.

Start with him

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Um…read?

wewbull ,

Don’t watch or listen…READ!

Dorkyd68 ,

Idk man. YouTube tutorials are pretty helpful. Especially when I was studying electricity. Those Indian dudes are geniuses

bitfucker ,

Why do we have teachers then? Listening and watching is absolutely a valid strategy of learning. You just need to make sure that the speakers are trustworthy on the subject.

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