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Gerudo ,

There won’t be a ban. TikTok will probably end up making a U.S. only version that will satisfy congress.

The data will be sold to a 3rd party broker who will then keep sending it to China, so nothing will change in the end.

notanaltaccount ,

I don’t think this is correct.

They wont reveal their code and leaders in the US are too uncomfortable. With a conservative court, a ban will be not found unconstitutional.

makingStuffForFun ,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

There are no ‘leaders’ in the US offices of tik toc

Shyfer ,

The revealed their code to a US company already: Oracle.

They just don’t like that the youth use it to see what’s happening in other parts of the world, like Palestine. They want to be able to keep the US populace within their propaganda bubble, in the state we were in when we didn’t know about things like the Irgun or The Great March of Return.

notanaltaccount ,

You may be right.

D61 ,

You and your correct predictions… smdh

BruceTwarzen ,

A few more middle men get filthy rich.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

They’ll have no choice but to go into the mountains and become guerilla fighters.

SuckMyWang ,

good riddance

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/85a94feb-56f9-4595-880e-a6cbf7622269.jpeg

MxRemy ,

I’m usually all for fediverse folks shitting on big corporate social media platforms, they definitely all deserve it. But unless I’m mistaken, and I very well might be, TT seems like it gets wayyyy more vitriol than the other big bads. Hopefully that’s not for “old man yells at cloud” type reasons.

Anyway, definitely looking forward to Loops when it’s ready!!

maniel ,

I don’t know why everyone stopped talking about how TT it’s spyware, security researchers were out of their mind few years ago

bobs_monkey ,

It gets more hate because it’s owned by a Chinese company that more than likely shares data with the CCP. I assume you live in a western nation, so it’s basically the result of propaganda. Perhaps it’s warranted, perhaps not, but that’s why.

It’s ironic because everyone flips out that China is vacuuming up information, as if the US government isn’t doing the same thing. If you think the US govt snoops that data only to keep you safe, I have a bridge to sell you.

nothacking ,

Yeah, I’m much more worried about someone in my country spying on me then China, like what are they gonna do from the other side of the world?

Shyfer ,

Arrest you for protesting a genocide or trying to get an abortion? No, sorry, that’s something people in the US have to worry about when their government has their data, not China.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

As a proud patriot I only want my data sold to American big business interests! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

sep ,

Guess the issue is that us big bads are blocked in china. So while ccp can leverage social media to monitor western countries. Western goverments can not leverage western social media to do the same in china.

Shyfer , (edited )

Considering our data is being bought and sold by US companies to whoever I don’t think this is going to help with that. Tbh, I’m more scared of the US having our data than China. The US can use it to find people seeking abortions, or to track protestors trying to get human rights, or things like that. Not China. I’d rather they make a general law to preserve privacy, but this half-assed measure to preserve US monopolies.

hanrahan ,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

As an Australian I could not care wjaty the CCP knows about me, happy to send them as many butthole or dick pics photos as they want.

What concerns me is the invasiness of my own national government and its asshole FiveEyes conspirators. They can take my liberty. Those bastards I trust not one inch.

ShinkanTrain ,

Send them butthole pics in the mail

Hazzia ,

I think the reason is less about “i, an individual, am getting my data harvested” (though certainly still a factor) byt more because China is still very much considered an enemy of the US, and they are not only harvesting americans data in a very invasive way - as in, recording pretty much everything you do on your phone, not just in the app - but an adversarial government now has access to all of that. Additionally, because the chinese “free market” has been effectively neutered in recent years, high chance that the CCP is able to influence TikTok’s algorithm to affect what people see and push propaganda. People should be concerned about it in the same way people should be concerned about russian bot farm, but more so, because there isn’t an audience of millions feeding russian bot farms their personal information.

pineapplelover ,

It gets more hate because it is actually worse. They try to exploit the phone as much as possible even more so than the American social media spyware companies. There was a security researcher redditor post somewhere I forgot what it was, but they basically went over how much more shit tik tok was able to harvest.

nek0d3r ,
@nek0d3r@lemmy.world avatar

I’m with you, it’s kind of annoying to see just how much people seethe over a platform. It looks exactly like what redditors did with IG, or TT, or emojis. I understand people’s frustrations with TT, but as someone who’s made content for both TT and YT shorts, engagement for small guys absolutely sucks on shorts and when TT is banned, there’s basically no real alternative. Not only that, but I’m also very concerned about the precedent that’s set by effectively censoring parts of the internet for Americans.

That being said I am also super pumped for Loops, I hope there’s more updates soon because I’ve been keeping an eye on that for a while!

gentooer ,

All social media that came after IRC should die. \s

doingthestuff ,

Oh no! Anyway…

z00s ,

1000000378

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody in Lemmy cares until they come for Lemmy I guess

orcrist ,

Um, actually that’s one perk of federation. It’s much harder to take down networks that are run on dozens or hundreds of servers across the globe… In other words, we already solved this problem, at least in large part.

Goodie ,

The same as what happened when vine shut down.

Take their follows as best as they can to another platform. Continue on.

atrielienz ,

Other platforms exist. I’m sure they’ll be fine.

TheMinions ,

I was under the impression that the TT creator fund was very minimal anyway. Or at least it was gutted recently and used to be somewhat okay.

PunnyName , (edited )

A lot of people exclusively use TT for business, via the TT store, which isn’t implemented in other platforms (many of which users don’t trust). They’ll have a rough go of it if they don’t diversify.

FinalRemix ,

Then those people are idiots.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I thought they mostly made money through sponsorships rather than direct payments.

themurphy ,

They often do. Merchandise too, if they are big.

TachyonTele ,

Who the fuck cares lmao

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

the person who asked the question, obviously

SomeGuy69 ,

YouTube shorts are already a thing.

Reddfugee42 ,

Once they get an algorithm that isn’t absolute shit, bam we’ll be good

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

Find a job?

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Probably move on to YouTube Shorts or Instagram reels. I don’t have Instagram but the YT Shorts are basically just TikTok crossposts anyway.

Ideally Pixelfed would win but that’s very hopeful, a lot of the creators are expecting to be paid.

There’s too much money to be made with the format for it to die yet.

Chozo ,

Probably move on to YouTube Shorts or Instagram reels.

Likely YouTube. While neither are great, between Google and Meta, Google's got the better reputation. YouTube also has a larger audience, because it includes a ton of users who wouldn't fall under traditional social media usage. Reels might be used as a periphery platform to drive more people to their main channel on YouTube.

Any TikTok creator who moves to Instagram full-time is either shooting themselves in the foot, or got a good contract from Meta.

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

I do like the YouTube integration. A good chunk of them have a link to a main long form video which is nice when you don’t want to watch a video in 50 parts. You can scroll and be like, that’s a cool project let me watch the full 30 mins video.

rand_alpha19 ,

Are YouTube shorts still 1 minute maximum? Until that changes, I don't think they'll be a viable replacement since content longer than a minute seems to be the sweet spot for a sizeable amount of Tiktok's user base. Especially when it comes to informative or political content.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

YouTube also supports longer videos outside of shorts. And they don’t even have to be in portrait mode. ^/j^

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

YT Shorts are basically just TikTok crossposts anyway

Hey that’s not true! Some of them a small clips from longer main videos.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Or:

Today I will answer all your most important questions. For example, the answer to eternal happiness is… more in part 2!

FinalRemix ,

And in a fucked up vertical crop, for some reason!

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

The reason is that too be a Short it has to be vertical.

FinalRemix ,

That’s… amazingly idiotic.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

It was explicitly created to be “TikTok, but on YouTube”. What would you expect?

FinalRemix ,

I expect nothing and I’m still let down.

BigMikeInAustin ,

Better question: Will the world rejoice in having a social media network without Americans?

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s already banned in Afghanistan, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Taiwan, Denmark, European Union, France, India, Indonesia, Netherlands, Nepal, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Somalia, and United Kingdom.

pbs.org/…/these-countries-have-already-banned-tik…

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

A lot of these are partial bans. Canada for example only bans it for government issued phones which makes sense, there shouldn’t be any apps let alone social media apps on those devices.

alansuspect ,

Same with Australia. Seems a bit disingenuous to say it’s banned, it’s a government worker policy.

Instigate ,

And it’s also only banned on work devices. There’s no ban on government employees having TikTok on their personal phones, although I personally don’t.

alci ,

Sure. Exactly the same in France.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah same for Australia.

JenIsBringingTheDrugs ,

Same for Belgium

themurphy ,

That’s very inaccurate information.

It’s basically only the government officials who can’t have the app installed on their phones, for security reasons.

That’s it.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Am from the Netherlands. Can confirm TikTok hasn’t been blocked yet. I think the ban only applies to some government officials, and I don’t think it’s enforced well for most of those.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

A post so inaccurate it belongs on tic toc.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

¯_(ツ)_/¯

interdimensionalmeme ,

Who cares. Imagine what will happen to those freed from this mental prison

FmbyMF ,

Probably become nordVPN subscribers.

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

I was going to ask this… doesn’t vpn work? Is VPN being bamed too?

TheMinions ,

I don’t know the specifics behind it, but even if VPN does work, or accessing TT through a web app instead of an app, that’s still 1-2 hurdles for the average user to jump through for their fix.

Some people will just not bother and then peace out to instagram reels or YT shorts or just drop off that kind of social media.

It fully depends on how many users are “savvy” enough to navigate those hurdles and how badly they want to navigate those hurdles.

In my experience when you’re working with a dedicated user base and you make a significant change, you can expect to lose around half your audience. Barriers to entry are probably going to increase that number, but obviously this is anecdotal evidence for future events.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Switch to ig reels or yt shorts

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