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geography082 ,

They will have to work

Kuori ,
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do you not think content creation is work in general or just when young people do it

JCreazy ,

Depends on the content

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

a coward, i see

Anarki_ ,

They’ll move to TokTik by DanceByte by the week’s end.

BigMikeInAustin ,

Think of all the Russian jobs spreading misinformation on Tik Tok that will be lost!

xep ,

Same thing that happened to the Chinese creators on Youtube despite it being banned in China, I presume.

scytale ,

They’ll just move on to the next available platform.

card797 ,

I’m excited to find out!

RizzRustbolt ,

Back to Vine.

EnderMB ,

I don’t know why Amazon hasn’t bought TikTok yet.

Lots of data, access to the Chinese market, a social media app under their wing, and an aligned work culture. Alongside the gains for ads, moving their shit to AWS, and retail gains, it seems like a better idea than throwing money into the AI fire.

cosmicrookie ,
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Because its not for sale

EnderMB ,

Everything is for sale when you are a $1T+ company. That’s why Amazon has the likes of Blink, Ring, Alexa, Anthropic, etc.

cosmicrookie , (edited )
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Not when there are national politics involved

EnderMB ,

That’s…exactly why you would get involved?

TikTok might lose out on revenue. Why not sell your US arm for lots of money?

This is literally one of the most widely talked-about options regarding the ban of TikTok…

___ ,

They refused to entertain offers. 1T dollars seems mighty, but TikTok is a multi-year if not multi-decade data collection hub. That data is on the youth of America and their trajectories.

That’s priceless to the power hungry. It’s not just money, it’s control.

eldavi ,

That’s priceless to the power hungry. It’s not just money, it’s control.

that’s why their banning it; they can’t control it in the way they want

nucleative ,

Wouldn’t be surprised if there was an exceptionally well funded US startup that makes a debut before TikTok is blocked if they don’t sell. TikTok has to weigh the possibility that they can’t compete if they don’t exist.

cosmicrookie ,
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I doubt it. USA is just one one country, although large. Tik Tok will do fine without it.

Crackhappy ,
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I imagine all the clocks in their houses will just stop. Stop tick. Stop tock.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Albeit I don’t know what the duck TikTok is. Just guessing.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

In case you’re serious, a video-centric social media. It focuses on short vertical videos. Naturally, they’re generally too short to have much useful information, so it’s mostly dumb addictive content, or straight up misinformation. It’s meant to feel like you’re not wasting time while you definitely are. “I am not spending 15 minutes to watch a normal video, I just watched a few (maybe 50) short (around 1 minute) videos.”

It’s like YouTube shorts.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

They will cease to exist

TheBigBrother ,

Start using a VPN…

Fetus ,

Deported.

intensely_human ,

They will disappear

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

Finally get involved in politics?

orcrist ,

Nothing. The law is unconstitutional.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

How is the law unconstitutional?

No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston ,

Restrict first amendment rights.

Stovetop ,

The right for a business to operate is not protected by the first amendment, though.

I could use that argument to stop the government from closing/dismantling any physical space because I might use their walls to express my first amendment rights. But the argument just doesn’t hold up.

makeasnek , (edited )
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It’s not the right of the business, it’s the right of US citizens to consume media and information from any source they please. The Govt has no right to say “You can’t read that newspaper” or “You can’t listen to that speaker”, so they have no right to say “You can’t get information through this app”. The first amendment isn’t just about the right to speak, it’s also about the right to listen and research especially the stuff the government doesn’t want you to know about.

orcrist ,

1A protects us against censorship, and this law is precisely that. If I have TikTok and I use it to communicate, the government is censoring my speech by taking it down. There is a lot of case law on when the government can legally censor speech, and I’m not going to repeat it here, but the government’s lawyers have a massive hill to climb on this one. Maybe they can succeed, maybe not.

There’s other precedent about “making a specific business illegal”. Essentially, legislatures can make conduct illegal, but courts don’t like it when they make businesses illegal, because it’s a violation of due process. But this is complicated and detail-specific.

Anyway, there’s a lot of great information online about these two legal arguments. I encourage you to look it up.

Stovetop ,

But again, you can make that argument about any platform or medium where speech can be posted or displayed. If the department of public health condemns a local movie theater where I host indie movie screenings, that is not a violation of my first amendment rights because they are not prohibiting my ability to make or share content, they are simply removing the space it is currently shared. If that comes out to the same effect for some people who are all-in on TikTok to the exclusion of any other short-form video sharing service, sure, maybe there are grievances. But that still ends up being a self-imposition made by the individual at the end of the day.

Not to mention, the US government is not trying to close down TikTok. They are prohibiting the owners of TikTok from doing business in the US. The company itself would be the one to make the decision to close the service rather than sell it off, so unless the fed is going to force a private business to keep itself open to placate the masses, it’s a decision made by a private company outside of any constitutional law.

orcrist ,

Exactly. All censorship could be a violation of 1A. The bar is high on this one. The government has to jump through difficult hoops to legally suppress most speech. The courts have long since ruled against the “but they have other channels” argument that you propose.

As for the latter point, again you miss the legal argument. The government is targeting a company, and not conduct. That could easily be a Due Process violation.

Of course we don’t know. The courts will rule. But what you wrote ignores basic legal precedent.

Cube6392 ,

I think the argument would be that if money is freedom of speech then so should surveillance capitalism

orcrist ,

I could try to summarize it, but if you just do a web search for EFF and TikTok, you will come across a good explanation.

Of course we don’t know how the courts will rule. My belief is that the odds are in favor of TikTok and of TikTok users, but we’ll have to wait and find out.

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