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HobbitFoot ,

CGPGrey. I even listened to his podcasts.

For someone who tried to sell productivity tools at one point, he was very unproductive.

Also, given what happened with Standard and Nebula, I got to say I side with Nebula over him.

thisisbutaname ,

What happened? I’ve never heard of it

HobbitFoot ,

Him and Kurzgesagt were helping to build an organization for YouTubers with the current CEO. The first talent signed on was Wendover and Real Engineering.

Grey and Kurzgesagt were rather inactive partners when they should have been more active and were trying to build a much more exploitative company instead of what Nebula became. It is vague on how they left, but they left and the company became better for it.

anothermember ,

Sorry, do you mean the current CEO of Nebula or of YouTube?

HobbitFoot ,

Nebula

anothermember ,

So Nebula got rid of him (which would seem to coincide with his drop in output)?, Kurzgesagt seems to be doing just fine in comparison.

anothermember ,

Yeah, it’s weird, CGPGrey videos used to be the most must-watch of all YouTube for me and I subscribed to his Patreon at one point. I listened to Hello Internet loyally and I was even unhurt about how it ended. I still think he’s an interesting guy and would follow his stuff again but he doesn’t seem to be doing anything of interest to me any more.

What happened with Standard/Nebula?

HobbitFoot ,

I responded to someone else, but there is a reason why Grey isn’t a part of Nebula.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

his videos started getting sparse/boring

Zagorath , (edited )
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I still watch his main videos (when they actually happen…), but with a much higher degree of scepticism than I used to. And I stopped listening to his podcast (singular…).

My disillusionment with him started with a few issues with his videos. The blatantly ridiculous “royal family is good actually” video. The less obvious but no less egregious touting of Guns, Germs, and Steel. The AI techbroism of his automation video. Then he just killed off the podcast with no explanation, leaving his cohost Brady to put out a note saying “yeah we’re just on hiatus for now”. Over 4 years ago that was. There was the fact that he sided very vocally with Kurzgesagt in the CoffeeBreak drama, despite CB Kurzgesagt obviously being in the wrong at every step of the way.

Then the final straw where I was no longer willing to say I was a fan of his was when he did a video about some missile silo in America, in which he used the name of a submarine-based missile instead of a land-based missile at some point. Shortly afterwards he put out a massive mea culpa video saying it was a “catastrophic” error that he could not live with himself for, and that he holds himself to too high a standard to let that stand. All while still not acknowledging the problems with those earlier videos. So one nitpicky detail gets a massive hullabaloo and a retraction, but fundamental flaws in the underlying thesis of the video gets nothing? Give me a break.

sanguinepar ,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

I only ever saw that Royal Family video of his, and it was enough for me never to seek out any more.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Have you seen this response video to Grey’s Royal Family one?

sanguinepar ,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t, but I will definitely watch that, thanks! 👍

pyre ,

i love Shaun’s videos, but this is one of my favorites. the way he “negotiates” with the royal family is just chef’s kiss.

Squizzy ,

What drama, and if sided with Kurzgesagt when they were in the right as you say, what is the issue?

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Oh whoops! My mistake! I’ll edit the above comment to fix that. It was Kurzgesagt who was in the wrong.

The drama was (to copy/paste an earlier comment, because it’s rather lengthy):

It started when a YouTuber whose channel is called Coffee Break reached out to Philip of Kurzgesagt as part of a video he was doing into the flaws of popular science communication. Specifically, about some significant errors in K’s video on Addiction. Instead of agreeing to collaborate, or even giving a simple “not interested, sorry”, K took an instant accusatory tone, claiming CB must have been making a “gotcha” piece. CB and K agreed that they would talk more about the matter to try and assuage K’s concerns, but K kept stalling while working on a retraction video, at which time K took down the video that was the impetus for this discussion (shortly after, as one of those aforementioned stalling efforts, having said “I never could bring myself to take it down”, claiming it would be “cruel and unnecessary” to do so—funny, considering in his AMA attempting to spin the story, he said “I was really stressed out about the addiction and the refugee video for years. Being finally open about my mistakes and deleting them felt like weight leaving my body.”). The Refugee video was also taken down along with the Addiction one that CB was interested in.

K claims to be interested in science communication. But here, he decided to make the selfish decision to do what he thought would protect his own personal brand through duplicitous means. He got ahead of the story that falsely assumed was coming, and put up a pre-emptive response to that. Now, CB isn’t entirely blameless. In response to the above, CB put out a rather hot-headed reaction to the whole incident. He didn’t follow up with K to try to understand what had happened; he lashed out in anger at K’s self-righteous arse-covering video.

And then CB started getting harassed. K called out CB, and many of K’s friends (other very large, powerful YouTubers such as CGP Grey and Philip de Franco) made very public statements to their audiences attacking CB. It ended up forcing CB into taking down his video, deleting a whole heap of tweets explaining what happened, and putting out an apology. Perhaps it was an apology that CB should have indeed made, but the need for an apology from K was much, much greater. And one never came. K used his larger platform to spin the narrative so that his large audience, and now also the general public who becomes aware of this, almost all take his side.

Incidentally, here’s the video that CB was working on at the time. Hari, the scientist discussed in the video whom K worked with on his video discussed earlier, communicated very well with CB on it.

Squizzy ,

Thanks for the great breakdown, it sounds vaguely familiar. I remember K’s retraction bit and I follow Philip DeFranco. Disappointed he landed on the wrong side.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

For what it’s worth, Philly D is someone I could have answered the original question with too. Not for any spectacular reason like the above—I had already stopped watching him before that occurred. For me it was just finding his focus was too much on sensationalist pop culture news rather than news reporting that interested me. He wasn’t doing anything wrong, it just wasn’t right for me.

Squizzy ,

Yeah he definitely can veer too much into that stuff for a time. I strongly dislike his thumbnails and titles but I feel he has to do that to compete but I do like his content, some days just less than others.

weeeeum ,

I didn’t like his take, “solving” traffic nescitates the use of self-driving cars. Can’t have traffic without cars, it’s as simple as that. We need public transport, not more shit to spend our increasingly scarce money on.

NauticalNoodle ,

I found his video on FPTP Binary political systems video to be logically flawed and I think it ultimately caused more harm than good. It’s irritating to see people reference it in political discussions today. That eventually convinced me to stop giving him views.

saigot ,

Kurzgesagt went hugely downhill, I’ll still watch the occasional video from them, but most of what they do now is super speculative tenuous science with 5 min of sponsored content.

I remember way back in the day I enjoyed laci green for her sex ed content, but she just suddenly went super right wing.

hexabs ,

Although I agree Kurzgesagt has gone downhill, I feel like they’ve still beaten the average youtuber lifecycle.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

I remember back in high school I watched Sexplanations a lot. Introduced me to a lot of concepts I’ve been using to this day. I think I stopped watching her because I outgrew her channel.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

Lindybeige was a formative part of my early nerd life. Unfortunately he’s a conservative and it’s a big part of his personality. I do totally agree with him about the British pound being superior to the decimalized euro though. I would literally beat someone to death if it would give me the opportunity to rearrange the values of dollars, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies into something based around a highly composite number like 240 or 360

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely. I never cared for his political stuff. Get that shit out of here. Just geek out on historic stuff, but please no more misogynist social darwinist garbage…

Fundamentallylazy ,
@Fundamentallylazy@worm.horse avatar

@ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling look at what they took from us

Shkshkshk ,
@Shkshkshk@dice.camp avatar

@Fundamentallylazy @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling
Okay, that chart is, like, 5 difference systems of measurement pretending to be one unit of measurement. The imperial system is bad, but it's not quite as bad as that chart.

That said, I like how most imperial units are at a scale that feel nice. Like, most things you measure in feet are no more than 10 feet long, most things you measure in yards are less than a dozen yards long. Also, it's nice that at 0° F you know road salt isn't gonna work.

Fundamentallylazy ,
@Fundamentallylazy@worm.horse avatar

@Shkshkshk @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling I work in the US for a company that has mostly European presence, and one of my key software tools was written for metric units, and they decided long ago not to bother properly supporting imperial units. So I am always looking for good conversion charts for our US production; this is by far the most intensely cursed chart I have found.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I was a Nas Daily fan back then. I just got bored of him over time, not to mention how insanely corporate his videos feel now.

Aurenkin ,

TotalBiscuit

LarkinDePark ,

Aw man.

G32 ,

Still miss him

apprehensively_human ,

My interest in gaming plummeted after he passed.

Sylence ,
@Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was also in this position, there is so much gaming content out there but the whole state of journalism seems to have really fallen off.

Last year I discovered MinnMax though and some of my faith has been restored. They are a community funded group of journalists and enthusiasts who run a weekly ~3 hour podcast about games and the industry. They are mature, lucid, insightful, and also pretty funny. They’ve also been doing a yearly best-of list for a long time which is a good jumping off point if you want to dip your toe in. Definitely recommend for anyone interested in gaming and the industry.

OhmsLawn ,

Especially this week.

Aurenkin ,

Same here, friend. Still hits me every now and then when I see a Steam game with a recommendation from his curator page. Doesn’t happen too often these days, but still the occasional older game I haven’t picked up yet goes on sale.

AlexisFR ,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

A big loss. I’m still wondering what happened to his family since then. I heard they got out of the USA?

Jourei ,

I’ve understood the dogs got new owners, Genna moved to South Korea.

AlexisFR ,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

What about the kid?

Jourei ,

I can’t remember hearing anything about him, I also couldn’t find anything with a quick search yesterday.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

… Fuck

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

:(

Macaroni_ninja ,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

Guy was a legend, I bought Terraria because of him. His voice and style was amazing. Rest in piece!

CybranM ,

This one hits hard. “Gaming YouTube” isn’t the same without him, I don’t watch many gaming videos nowadays

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’ll never forget him for introducing me to dungeons of dredmor, the game is the bad roguelike, but I don’t know if I ever would have gotten into roguelikes without it

Quetzalcutlass ,

I’ve never heard anyone else mention Dungeons of Dredmor! That’s the game that taught me how much I loathe total randomness in roguelikes. Without it I wouldn’t have discovered Dwarf Fortress, Cataclysm, and a host of others where your skill actually matters, so even though I hated DoD I’m glad I picked it up after TB’s video.

(And the artist of Dredmor later ended up on the development team of my literal favorite game ever, Starsector. Weird how things turn out.)

csolisr ,

@zachimusprime44 RelaxAlax and ProJared. Sure, they both came with rather flimsy reasons to state that the allegations against them were apparently false, but I didn't buy them.

CurlyWurlies4All , (edited )
@CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

Watched a lot of Binging With Babish and just got tired of his schtick I think. Same with the How To Drink guy.

Wootz ,

To be fair, its probably pretty hard to stay ahead of the curve when your format is limited to “guy in kitchen / bar makes food / drink from relevant pop culture series / movie”

That said, completely agree on Babish. Dude tried to grow his channel way too aggressively and burned out I think. Went from uploading a main video every week to showing up once a month at most, with regular uploads mostly featuring other people.

CurlyWurlies4All ,
@CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah sometimes things just have a natural shelf life.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

LTT due to their amount of scandals

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

HAWP, DayJobOrchestra, BadLipReading, YourGrammarSucks, LTT

Also, I do not reliably watch YouTube.

Zahille7 ,

As far as I know, BLR is fine they’re just not super active.

I still wish their GoT “Medieval Land Funtime World” BLR was a real thing.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Good, I love BLR

viking , (edited )
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Both Mr. Beast and Mark Rober. They got too loud and shrill over time.

Edit: Oh and Guga Food / Sousvide Everything. They just do the same thing all over, with weirder ingredients every day, and then make shocked pickachu faces when stuff tastes shit. Ribeye dry aged for 180 days in engine oil? No shit it’s bad.

StThicket ,

Every Mark Rober video is now an ad. They’re also loud and obnoxious, so I’ve stopped watching them.

I’ve actually never watched a Mr Beast video. They never came up in my feed.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Mark Rober is a massive fraud. Recently he started selling out to the military industrial complex too.

BruceTwarzen ,

He always seemed nice, but all he really cares is squeezing as much money out of everything.

LowtierComputer ,

The mistakes in that stupid weather balloon video closed that door for me. What a pretentious greedy weirdo.

vortexal ,
@vortexal@lemmy.ml avatar

Something kind of ironic, is that a lot of the YouTube channels I used to watch have at some point had some pretty terrible things come out about them, mostly after I had already stopped watching them. Boogie2988, Mini Ladd, GeePM and Rooster Teeth are some of the ones I can remember.

For Boogie and Mini Ladd, I don’t remember the specific reason I stopped watching them but I do know that I stopped watching them well before all of the information about them was released.

For Rooster Teeth, there was only two things I watched them for and that was Fails of the Week, which they silently canceled and never gave a reason why, and the other was RWBY which they decided to move it from YouTube to their own website which was so terrible that the episodes would have severe buffering issues at 240p. I don’t remember what the last volume was that I watched but I know I never watched everything.

For GeePM, I watched him pretty much up until the day when he tried to cancel Vinny (Vinesause). In response, people were quick to bring out information about some pretty terrible things that GeePM was doing behind the scenes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a YouTuber just completely vanish from the internet that quickly.

I know for sure that there are more but those are the ones I remember the most and think they are the most notable.

Duke_Nukem_1990 , (edited )

What terrible thing came out about Rooster Teeth?

vortexal , (edited )
@vortexal@lemmy.ml avatar

There was a few things, I can’t remember all of the details but here’s what I remember:

The CEO was arrested for abusing his wife.

One of their content creators, James Ryan Haywood, was accused of having very inappropriate interactions with multiple fans. Some of which being of questionable age.

There were also staff members who alleged that there was a toxic work environment. I don’t remember if it was misogyny, racism or both.

Then there were allegations that the team that worked on RWBY were severely underpaid, with most of them not getting paid at all.

mindbleach ,

I’ve forgotten who but I know one of their content creators was accused of either grooming or at least having inappropriate conversations with a or potentially multiple minors.

James Ryan Haywood did some penis crimes at Rooster Teeth conventions. Basically a dozen variations on “not technically rape.” With fans, of questionable age, on the company dime. As soon as credible accusations arose, his ass was gone, and the rest of Achievement Hunter had exactly one emotional-and-drunk livestream to say they were never going to acknowledge him for the rest of their lives.

His whole personality on-camera and in-game turns out to be really close to how he sincerely acts and thinks. He was not playing a heel.

vortexal ,
@vortexal@lemmy.ml avatar

I had completely forgotten how bad it was. I’ll edit my previous comment to fix that error.

mindbleach ,

I don’t think an edit was necessary, but if you’re gonna edit it, he committed sexual assault against multiple probably-legal-at-the-time fans.

Sam_Bass ,

King of Random til he died, veritasium, john greene and his brother, and that goofy dude that likes to play dumb around electricity

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

ElectroBoom!

Passerby6497 ,

I actually didn’t realize that KoR died because I gave up on him a few years before that when he and his wife put out that stupid video where they were denying they were doing click bait shit in a video with the same problem. It was just a bunch of whiney bullshit that showed he wasn’t what is signed up for anymore.

Was rather surprised a few years ago when I went to watch some random video and it was all new people. Still not very interesting.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

that goofy dude that likes to play dumb around electricity

You’re probably talking about Electroboom, but also check out StyroPyro. Especially now, guy needs the views, he’s going through some serious medical issues. Probably my favorite YouTube channel that exists.

Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

And Photonicinduction! He uploads rarely but every video is great.

Jourei ,

He seems to upload every other leap year or so. :D

mindbleach ,

Crash Course was some good shit.

Pizzafohra ,

Total Biscuit, the cynical brit. He will always have a special place in my heart.

RabbitMix ,

Didn’t ever watch his videos but ran into him at a local event where a game dev had invited 60 or so of us to play their game early. I remember him watching over my shoulder (there were only enough PCs for half of us to play at a time) as I went to play the game in my favorite way to play games: incorrectly. Flew a transport vtol and was using it to “boop” enemy vtol fighters half my size into the ground where they’d explode. We would both get a kick out of it every time I managed to pull it off. He was a fun guy to be around, I get why so many miss him.

deezbutts ,

Thanks for sharing this

Jourei ,

I was wondering if I would see this name here. It has been a while. Honorary mentions, I used to also watch Jesse Cox and Dodger/Dexbonus.

phlegmy ,

Twenty Sided / Shamus Young 😢

Quetzalcutlass ,

I followed Shamus Young’s blog in 2007, and kept following him long after I dropped every other blogger. I didn’t always agree with him (cough Dark Souls cough), but his reviews were the best and most in-depth in the business (seriously, his Mass Effect retrospective covers the entire trilogy and is longer than most novels). He had a way with words where even when he was arguing for/against something you hate/love, you’d still be entertained by the read.

His death left a void in my consumption of media criticism. I don’t think anyone I follow is as articulate or entertaining as Shamus was. RIP Shamus.

biscuitswalrus ,

Day9. Though I just rewatched a funday Monday from episode 200 or 300 and it was just as amazing and fun as it was back over a decade ago.

I watched newer stuff he still seems to be a great guy.

pyre ,

I’ve never watched day9 regularly but whenever I do it’s a joy. he seems to be a great guy indeed, and afaik never has been in any kind of YouTuber/streamer drama or anything.

ignism ,

Love Day9, have been following him since the dailies, with Monday as highlight of the week. Stuck around for Mostly Walking, which he still does. Also, at least once a year I rewatch the three VODs of Day9 teaching itmeJP The Build, The Pause, and voidrays… gets me everytime.

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