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Krauerking ,

Oh man, every Palestinian had an ID number? Man those could have just been tattooed on every person to make sure Israel could keep track of them better.

No idea why Israel didn’t think of that. Seems obvious to use in your fenced in area that everyone has to be carefully released from for either work or because they died.

itsathursday ,

People will read this and not even blink with a sense of irony, we are that far deep into replay of history.

teamevil , (edited )

It’s a shame that people who were historically tormented by disgusting people can turn out to be infinitely more reprehensible… I’m looking at you netanyahu you scumbag Nazi

geneva_convenience ,
@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml avatar

Investing in genocide has historically turned out as good for business.

skittle07crusher ,

Holy shit… Never thought of it like that… But yes!! - just check out the comments referencing IBM!!! They’re still just fucking chugging along, line go up for IBM stockholders, as if it was no fucking big deal to make the very goddamn punchcards and tabulators that led so many Jews to their horrible, untimely ends in all those concentration camps. And now, I guess “business” is good again…

KillingTimeItself ,

i mean, are we that deep? The nazis managed to kill like 6 million jews, idk how much of a population percentage that is, but so far we’re up to like 40k dead. and like 200k displaced? half a million displaced? Something like that.

ScruffyDucky ,

And IBM can supply the tech like the last time

dubyakay ,

No, they could just use Amazon and Intel this time.

Wait, they already are…

ForgotAboutDre ,

Intel is investing billions in Israel at the same time getting bailouts from the us government.

mightyfoolish ,

I pray Intel implodes after the recent news that their CPUs have an oxidation issue.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please , (edited )

Is it oxidation? I thought it was a voltage control issue, where they randomly sent too much power to components and burned them out. And over time, those burnt out components and errors would compound and your CPU would essentially get Alzheimer’s.

mightyfoolish ,

I can check later. I distinctly remember “oxidation” from a GamersNexus video but I could be remembering wrong.

KillingTimeItself ,

the oxidation is likely caused by the voltage problem, it’s one in the same.

_____ ,

Nah. Too many Intel fanboys. I know dozens of braindead gamers who insta buy Intel because (a decade ago) Intel had the best performance. I imagine they have thousands of equally braindead customers.

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

intel has an israeli fab, so that’s why.

TimewornTraveler , (edited )

every American has an ID number too… I get the comparison you’re making but I don’t think birth certificates are inherently dystopian. there’s plenty of actual shit to be mad about, such as 14 pages of dead babies, without having to complain about mundane shit

Krauerking ,

LOL yeah I know. They actually are helpful for any developed country but seeing a document of a list of 34,000 dead humans from newborns to “old” that Palestine is trying to prove were real by using the identification numbers and knowing how Israel uses their labor force and tracks them made me feel the parallels to a historical use, a little heavily.

I kinda figured they should just go all the way with it.

atro_city ,

They had it coming! Should've picked a different place to be born.

FierySpectre ,

Being born there is the first step to becoming terrorist scum, they had it coming!

/s just in case if that wasn’t obvious

gon ,

I’ve never met a Palestinian but every Palestinian I’ve ever met has been a terrorist.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Palestinians will cry for the bombing, rape, and slaughter of their people, but they continue to harbor Hamas in the vast network of secret invisible tunnels that only a trained Israeli AI can detect.

Curious.

octopus_ink , (edited )

They had it coming! Should’ve picked a different place to be born.

They certainly should have! Poor kids. (I didn’t miss your sarcasm, just adding to it)

Look what the older Palestinian kids have had to endure:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/f6944eaa-0486-4144-85c9-4c3900892fe4.jpeg

ggtdbz ,

This graphic is a year old! It’s actually seventeen years since that blockade now.

I wonder why some people there might think violence is the only thing their enemy would understand. Really a mystery.

octopus_ink ,

There might be an updated version at the visualizing palestine website. I was happy when they updated it to add the current conflict, but that was months after it started…

kittenzrulz123 ,

Erm akshurally, did those newborn babies condem Hummus? ☝️🤓

Didn’t think so, obviously they deserve it

Kyrgizion ,

I hate this world and almost everyone on it. Myself most of all. 100% powerless to stop any of this. I want off this hellworld.

leftytighty ,

I hear you, it’s been a brutal millennium so far and things look like they’ll get worse before they get better.

We’re all powerless alone, and I don’t see us being able to stop the worst of what’s to come, but there’s pressure building against Israel, against capitalism, against conservatism, against the status quo.

It’s going to be a rough ride but we need to stubbornly exist and be present and visible so that the pressure keeps building.

Asafum ,

We’re all powerless alone

That’s the “funny” thing about it. ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.

Media in the past that wasn’t purely propaganda for the sake of manipulating the population would have achieved this simply by the reporting done. Now all they do is give cover to the assholes committing the atrocities across the world and we have to fight with each other just to convince people what is actually happening and why it’s bad…

Divide and conquer works and it’s why we never seem to make progress. :(

skittle07crusher ,

ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.

Nah dawg, that’s like our one strength and even instinct. See Bregman’s Humankind, for example!

Mr_Blott ,

You managed to type four sentences on this subject and make every single one of them about yourself

KillingTimeItself ,

I hate this world and almost everyone on it. Myself most of all. 100% powerless to stop any of this. I want off this hellworld.

welcome to the real world. You should leave if you can’t handle it, this is never going to stop.

Kyrgizion ,

My father left this world at age 39. I’m 40 and I feel like I overstayed my welcome in this world by a decade at least.

Time to remedy that. Godspeed to the few who’ll understand. To everyone else: my father had the right idea and I don’t know why it took me this long to realize. We’ll meet again at some inky spot betweeb realms. In the meantime, good night to those who understand. See you on the flipside, maybe, one day…

skittle07crusher ,

Hey stop, I know what you’re saying bc I’ve been there myself. You haven’t any idea what the future holds is what I can tell you. There are so many good things in this world and believe it or not (I didn’t) they also come to you sometimes. Sending love your way.

Kramkar ,

Don’t do it. You should talk to someone.

skittle07crusher ,

Hey I mean it, the world NEEDS critical thinkers like you. I’m rereading your comments and please, don’t let those thoughts overcome your better judgement. I KNOW that’s not any ‘remedy’.

leftytighty ,

ironically we need less of this kind of thinking in the world

LemmyAtEmLemmyAtEm ,
@LemmyAtEmLemmyAtEm@lemmy.world avatar

I really feel ya. It’s insane how, short of donating as much as we can, most of us can’t really do anything but watch this shit happen. It’s a fucking mess.

jaggedrobotpubes ,

Bitch unless you’re committing daily war crimes you had best at the very least hate yourself less than these monsters.

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

I’m going to go retch in the bathroom for awhile.

B312 ,

But they’re gonna be future khamas terrorizts1!1!

IndustryStandard ,

That is more babies than the total amount of civilians killed by Hamas on October 7.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.

And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.

The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.

The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.

CliveRosfield ,

Well that’s fucking depressing

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Those children could’ve grown up to do some amazing things in many different industries (and no, terrorism is NOT one of them), but because they’re unlucky enough to be born in Gaza, they have to deal with constant bombing, lack of food and water, damages in physical and mental health, and eventually death, before they even turn 18. Sometimes it’s even abrupt and sudden.

Has Israel not yet learned how cruel this is? And THEY’RE the ones that get all the funding to do this. Oh, but if I say anything bad about Israel then I’m “antisemitic” MY ASS. You’re killing literal children and I want the whole world to know about it.

Kusimulkku , (edited )

That’s 710 babies under 1, it seems. The document wasn’t linked in many of the articles talking about this but one article did mention it was on Gaza’s MoH Telegram account, found it there. It’s a pretty damn long list

pH3ra ,
@pH3ra@lemmy.ml avatar

Schindler’s list can eat its ass

turmoil ,

You know, you can find the unjust bombardment of the Gaza Strip (and now also the West Bank unfortunately) wrong, and not compare it to the Holocaust at the same time?

pH3ra ,
@pH3ra@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know ethnic cleansing had sub-cathegories

Maggoty , (edited )

Putting together the bombing, indiscriminate killing of civilians near the aid centers, and blocking aid convoys to restrict calories available in the “humanitarian” areas, paints a pretty good picture. The only thing they haven’t copied from Nazi Germany yet is camps with ovens.

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

and not compare it to the Holocaust at the same time?

this is true, but i also see people talking about nazism a lot, most of them being pro palestinian, so…

wolfeh , (edited )
@wolfeh@lemmy.world avatar

I was trying to come up with some sick joke about the babies being antisemitic in the eyes of Israel, but I threw up a little bit every time I tried.

And I’ve got a dark sense of humor, so that’s saying something. >.<

volkerwirsing ,

“The Ministry of Health in Gaza” is fucking Hamas and Hamas is known to be a bunch of liars. Of course there are dead babies, but please don’t trust something produced by a terrorist organization for propaganda purposes. Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?

GoodEye8 ,

Right, so let’s assume they’re lying to some extent? How much of the number do you think is made up? 50%?

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?

Was in OIF. Got mortared, ied’d, and/or shot at nearly every day. Finance nerds still went to work. MI still disseminated no intelligence at all. Marines wrote offensive things and about my mother in very visible places I could not access. In 2003, our csh still kept digital records - on computers and laptops. Everyone did their jobs without any hesitation or meaningful difficulty at all. We all used to be civilians. Everyone has a threshold for the limits of adaptation, but most of us are capable of adapting to war, unfortunately though it may be. I realize that the impression our culture cultivates about war is a guy clutching his knees, weeping, and rocking back and forth while the planet fragments around him - and occasionally that does happen - but esprit de corps tends to motivate people into adaptation. It was my experience that the children in Iraq could follow my leadership and guidance better than their parents. They could also tolerate the terror better. They also had better senses of humor. They could also speak better English. I was an army guy but I still have a hunch that this had something to do with it. So be careful of the narrow perspective that organizational behaviors could only function effectively or reliably when sequestered within utopian sanctuary. People can do amazing things.

Maggoty ,

There’s also the fun fact that despite similar bombings, the death toll seems to have stopped going up after Israel did their best to destroy every major hospital and health infrastructure in the country. It’s entirely possible they’ve lost the ability to effectively count the dead and this isn’t the current number, it’s the last known good number. A country not being able to count it’s dead in a war should only happen because the other side is controlling the hospitals and thus responsible for those reports. So yeah, the next time someone questions if they can even count the dead remind them of Israel repeatedly targeting their healthcare system.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, that’s the part that keeps me up at night - the knowing or not of the unknown dead. I know that not everyone that dies from war dies neatly and at the war. And I know that we were only able to account for a body if it was present and discernable. So I don’t know if the estimates are correct or not. But I’m in therapy either way. Mental health is stupid.

Maggoty ,

Well I do want you to know you’re not alone, I’m in therapy too. I was in the 101st for OIF 1. And yeah this shit is distressing. For me it’s the people blithely excusing war crimes we bent over backwards to keep from committing.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck me. See? This is why I stay my ass out of the VFW. The last thing I need is a shared experience. 😂 We wear the same patch on our right shoulder battle.

And you’re spot on. I think it was a hard thing to rationalize that we went there to help. I mean, “we” thought we were helping. I still don’t know. Either way, you deserve self-empathy friend. Also ketamine. It helped me a lot! 😄

Good on you for making it through the last two decades too! I would gander that we have all gone through some degree of self destruction, and I know some more than others. Keep your chin up and your head down. Don’t drink and drive and if you swim take a buddy.

Maggoty ,

At least in the VFW I can use my worst coping mechanism. But yeah, the one consolation I think our generation gets is that we really did remove a murderous sociopath from running the place. Everything else is murky but that’s a shiny bit. You keep your head up too.

migo ,

“of course there are dead babies” as if 1 is not 1 too many. Also, don’t underestimate the power of bureaucracy even during a genocide.

Maggoty , (edited )

I hate to defend Israel here because they’ve gone off the deep end. But there was always going to be a response and unfortunately there was always going to civilian deaths, including children. Keeping those to a minimum is a big deal to any military trying to operate in good faith, but zero won’t happen until we turn the moon into an arena and have all of our wars up there.

MisterScruffy ,

Keeping civilian deaths to a minimum is not something israel is interested in, their actions make it clear that they want to completely destroy life in gaza. This is 11 months of bombardment and torture and gangrape of detainees (on video) this is much more than a standard military response this is genocide

Maggoty ,

Yes I agree. I should have been more clear. I’m just trying to rebut the idea that 1 dead infant would or should stop a war. It sucks, I hate it, but it’s just not how the world works, and good people do their best to keep that number as low as possible. Israel is showing us their military is not made of good people.

Maggoty , (edited )

They are the government of Gaza. Calling their civil service workers terrorists is just ridiculous. Are Ambulance drivers in the US responsible for the CIA’s doings?

And if they don’t have ability to count the dead anymore, (40k is a months old number at this point), could that have anything to do with Israel repeatedly targeting the healthcare infrastructure in Gaza?

Neon ,

The Ministry of Health in Gaza

So Hamas?

mightyfoolish ,

Gaza has other people besides Hamas, but then again you probably love the idea of mass burial graves made from children the Isrealis “harrased.”

Neon , (edited )

Russia also has other people than Putin and his supporters, yet the russian ministry of health is still in the Hands of Putin. That’s a very stupid Argument.

Anyways, your accusation there is absolutely ludicrous and just plain unacceptable

Tagger ,

Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?

mightyfoolish ,

No, didn’t even refute the mass “harassment” claim.

For what it’s worth, I hope the Russians can get rid of their government and find freedom.

Tagger ,

I’m confused why you felt it was necessary to point out that the ministry of health was run by Hamas then, and what bearing you felt that bright to the information?

KillingTimeItself ,

Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?

YOU DONT LIKE HAMAS YOU MUST BE A RACIST XENOPHOBIC BIGOT

“look bro it’s just war, idk what you want me to say about it, reporting numbers is hard, especially in war torn countries”

THAT’S AN UNREASONABLE OPINION.

TokenBoomer ,

Trump would have been worse ;/s

rbesfe ,

Why the /s? This is objectively true

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