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wolfeh , (edited )
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I was trying to come up with some sick joke about the babies being antisemitic in the eyes of Israel, but I threw up a little bit every time I tried.

And I’ve got a dark sense of humor, so that’s saying something. >.<

Resol ,
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Those children could’ve grown up to do some amazing things in many different industries (and no, terrorism is NOT one of them), but because they’re unlucky enough to be born in Gaza, they have to deal with constant bombing, lack of food and water, damages in physical and mental health, and eventually death, before they even turn 18. Sometimes it’s even abrupt and sudden.

Has Israel not yet learned how cruel this is? And THEY’RE the ones that get all the funding to do this. Oh, but if I say anything bad about Israel then I’m “antisemitic” MY ASS. You’re killing literal children and I want the whole world to know about it.

TokenBoomer ,

Trump would have been worse ;/s

rbesfe ,

Why the /s? This is objectively true

IndustryStandard ,

That is more babies than the total amount of civilians killed by Hamas on October 7.

uriel238 ,
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That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.

And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.

The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.

The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.

CliveRosfield ,

Well that’s fucking depressing

KillingTimeItself ,

how many children under the age of 1 die annually across the world? Surely, that’s gotta be pretty high as well?

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
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This is specifically children killed by israel. An article from 6 months ago:

Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah no i picked that part up, i can read, i’m just curious what this looks like relative to the usual infantile deaths i guess.

rhandyrhoads ,

I can just about guarantee it’s worse since bombing hospitals tends to have a higher infant mortality rate than the usual causes of SIDS.

KillingTimeItself ,

possibly, depends on where you gather statistics. Third world countries have a lot of people, and worse infant mortality, so it might still be pretty high.

SkyezOpen ,

Let me know when you find a country with a worse infant mortality rate than one that has been largely bombed to rubble.

volkerwirsing ,

“The Ministry of Health in Gaza” is fucking Hamas and Hamas is known to be a bunch of liars. Of course there are dead babies, but please don’t trust something produced by a terrorist organization for propaganda purposes. Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?

GoodEye8 ,

Right, so let’s assume they’re lying to some extent? How much of the number do you think is made up? 50%?

ZMonster ,
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Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?

Was in OIF. Got mortared, ied’d, and/or shot at nearly every day. Finance nerds still went to work. MI still disseminated no intelligence at all. Marines wrote offensive things and about my mother in very visible places I could not access. In 2003, our csh still kept digital records - on computers and laptops. Everyone did their jobs without any hesitation or meaningful difficulty at all. We all used to be civilians. Everyone has a threshold for the limits of adaptation, but most of us are capable of adapting to war, unfortunately though it may be. I realize that the impression our culture cultivates about war is a guy clutching his knees, weeping, and rocking back and forth while the planet fragments around him - and occasionally that does happen - but esprit de corps tends to motivate people into adaptation. It was my experience that the children in Iraq could follow my leadership and guidance better than their parents. They could also tolerate the terror better. They also had better senses of humor. They could also speak better English. I was an army guy but I still have a hunch that this had something to do with it. So be careful of the narrow perspective that organizational behaviors could only function effectively or reliably when sequestered within utopian sanctuary. People can do amazing things.

Maggoty ,

There’s also the fun fact that despite similar bombings, the death toll seems to have stopped going up after Israel did their best to destroy every major hospital and health infrastructure in the country. It’s entirely possible they’ve lost the ability to effectively count the dead and this isn’t the current number, it’s the last known good number. A country not being able to count it’s dead in a war should only happen because the other side is controlling the hospitals and thus responsible for those reports. So yeah, the next time someone questions if they can even count the dead remind them of Israel repeatedly targeting their healthcare system.

ZMonster ,
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Yeah, that’s the part that keeps me up at night - the knowing or not of the unknown dead. I know that not everyone that dies from war dies neatly and at the war. And I know that we were only able to account for a body if it was present and discernable. So I don’t know if the estimates are correct or not. But I’m in therapy either way. Mental health is stupid.

Maggoty ,

Well I do want you to know you’re not alone, I’m in therapy too. I was in the 101st for OIF 1. And yeah this shit is distressing. For me it’s the people blithely excusing war crimes we bent over backwards to keep from committing.

ZMonster ,
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Fuck me. See? This is why I stay my ass out of the VFW. The last thing I need is a shared experience. 😂 We wear the same patch on our right shoulder battle.

And you’re spot on. I think it was a hard thing to rationalize that we went there to help. I mean, “we” thought we were helping. I still don’t know. Either way, you deserve self-empathy friend. Also ketamine. It helped me a lot! 😄

Good on you for making it through the last two decades too! I would gander that we have all gone through some degree of self destruction, and I know some more than others. Keep your chin up and your head down. Don’t drink and drive and if you swim take a buddy.

Maggoty ,

At least in the VFW I can use my worst coping mechanism. But yeah, the one consolation I think our generation gets is that we really did remove a murderous sociopath from running the place. Everything else is murky but that’s a shiny bit. You keep your head up too.

migo ,

“of course there are dead babies” as if 1 is not 1 too many. Also, don’t underestimate the power of bureaucracy even during a genocide.

Maggoty , (edited )

I hate to defend Israel here because they’ve gone off the deep end. But there was always going to be a response and unfortunately there was always going to civilian deaths, including children. Keeping those to a minimum is a big deal to any military trying to operate in good faith, but zero won’t happen until we turn the moon into an arena and have all of our wars up there.

MisterScruffy ,

Keeping civilian deaths to a minimum is not something israel is interested in, their actions make it clear that they want to completely destroy life in gaza. This is 11 months of bombardment and torture and gangrape of detainees (on video) this is much more than a standard military response this is genocide

Maggoty , (edited )

They are the government of Gaza. Calling their civil service workers terrorists is just ridiculous. Are Ambulance drivers in the US responsible for the CIA’s doings?

And if they don’t have ability to count the dead anymore, (40k is a months old number at this point), could that have anything to do with Israel repeatedly targeting the healthcare infrastructure in Gaza?

boreengreen ,

Does it list cause of death? I assume the babies are dying cause of unavailabilty of pre- and post natal care, as a result of hospitals being unavailable. Or perhaps there is widespread starvation going on. Children usually succumb first to that.

Ultraviolet ,

Why? Is being killed by the direct results of bombing somehow not as bad as being killed by the bombs themselves?

mint_tamas ,

Can you spell out exactly why hospitals are “unavailable”?

killingspark , (edited )

Or where that mysterious starvation is coming from that might possibly be going on

TSG_Asmodeus ,
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I’m going to go retch in the bathroom for awhile.

pH3ra ,
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Schindler’s list can eat its ass

turmoil ,

You know, you can find the unjust bombardment of the Gaza Strip (and now also the West Bank unfortunately) wrong, and not compare it to the Holocaust at the same time?

pH3ra ,
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Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know ethnic cleansing had sub-cathegories

Maggoty , (edited )

Putting together the bombing, indiscriminate killing of civilians near the aid centers, and blocking aid convoys to restrict calories available in the “humanitarian” areas, paints a pretty good picture. The only thing they haven’t copied from Nazi Germany yet is camps with ovens.

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

and not compare it to the Holocaust at the same time?

this is true, but i also see people talking about nazism a lot, most of them being pro palestinian, so…

zephorah ,

It’s more than theocracy, yes, but fuck theocracy, it’s a significant piece of the long game on this.

Neon ,

The Ministry of Health in Gaza

So Hamas?

mightyfoolish ,

Gaza has other people besides Hamas, but then again you probably love the idea of mass burial graves made from children the Isrealis “harrased.”

Neon , (edited )

Russia also has other people than Putin and his supporters, yet the russian ministry of health is still in the Hands of Putin. That’s a very stupid Argument.

Anyways, your accusation there is absolutely ludicrous and just plain unacceptable

Tagger ,

Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?

mightyfoolish ,

No, didn’t even refute the mass “harassment” claim.

For what it’s worth, I hope the Russians can get rid of their government and find freedom.

Tagger ,

I’m confused why you felt it was necessary to point out that the ministry of health was run by Hamas then, and what bearing you felt that bright to the information?

KillingTimeItself ,

Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?

YOU DONT LIKE HAMAS YOU MUST BE A RACIST XENOPHOBIC BIGOT

“look bro it’s just war, idk what you want me to say about it, reporting numbers is hard, especially in war torn countries”

THAT’S AN UNREASONABLE OPINION.

4oreman ,

I’d love to see this kind of concern for the civilians of other countries.

anas ,

Talking about the civilians of one country is better than what you’re doing: talking about none.

Kusimulkku , (edited )

That’s 710 babies under 1, it seems. The document wasn’t linked in many of the articles talking about this but one article did mention it was on Gaza’s MoH Telegram account, found it there. It’s a pretty damn long list

kittenzrulz123 ,

Erm akshurally, did those newborn babies condem Hummus? ☝️🤓

Didn’t think so, obviously they deserve it

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