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bcgm3 ,

Working as a graphic designer in the US since the early 2000’s, every employer I ever worked for eventually used Fiverr to pay someone overseas a fraction of what they paid me to do the same work. This doesn’t seem meaningfully different.

Not saying this is okay, just that it’s not even remotely (no pun intended) a new problem.

sunzu , (edited )

This whole thing is a to send a message to begin with as with AI, actually more so.

Most of the "AI job losses" are this sort of offshoring actually... Joke is on the wage slaves.

Ragnarok314159 ,

This is pure Astronaut meme with “wait, AI is just 3rd world wage slaves?”

SSJMarx ,

They even gave it a cheeky name! “Mechanical Turk”, the thing that famously had a real person inside it pretending to be a machine.

veni_vedi_veni ,

There was an article that exposed Amazons cashier-less stores were just bunch of Indians overseas reviewing footage because their classification algorithms failed half the time

SoupBrick ,

Ah yes, it’s the minorities who are stealing jobs. Not the lack of regulations blocking corpos from outsourcing work.

PunnyName ,

And black jobs, too!

/s

Wogi ,

Shhhh don’t say that part. We’re supposed to hate each other.

sudo42 ,

I’m honestly surprised the corps haven’t done this to all of their drive-thrus.

teamevil ,

I mean every time I go through a drive through I’m asked if I’m going to use the app to order by one person (or ai but I know about 20 years ago Wendy’s tried to put all drive through orders through a remote facility too) and when I say Nope another person actually gets on and takes the order…so they are in many aspects. Hell you can’t order in person from some of the rest stop fast food spots in Florida.

randon31415 ,

No, that is just a pre-recorded message. I once went through a mcdonald’s drive thru that had just closed. They asked me for my order and after I gave it, I realized no one was in the restaurant. I pulled around and they asked me again every time I stopped at the order point, but there was no cars in the lot.

brlemworld ,

You’re assuming McDonald’s employees are rich enough to afford cars.

SloppyPuppy ,

Theyre stealing our jobs without even being here! /s

III ,

Maybe someone will catch on to who the actual enemy is here…

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Lol. Not the hicks. Theyll see foreigner and get pissy

Hello_there ,

What happens when you join the zoom id listed?

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

The host denies you access. I just tried, waited for 5 minutes before being denied access.

obinice ,
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Okay but like… how are they gonna count out my change?

Qwaffle_waffle ,

For giving you change: www.yourposstuff.com/…/tflexsc.htm

For counting your change, probably something like this innovorder.com/…/automated-cash-recycling-system

corsicanguppy ,

Those are awesome for the 7.2 minutes in a row they work without some intervention.

Source: McDonald’s drive-[through].

brbposting ,

Ohh

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/2946fc49-d936-49f1-847e-7f11ac4f203a.jpeg

So that’s how it works - video was actually quite interesting.

The_Worst ,

In the Netherlands you have self checkout with cash. No cashier involved.

ByteOnBikes ,

In Japan, you order from a vending machine, pay the machine, get a slip of paper, and hand it to the cook.

I think that system is fantastic.

The_Jit ,

We have this in the US to. Even McDonalds does them!

LordCrom ,

Ya I hate that. I have walked out of a McDonalds and went to the drive thru just so a person would take my order.

MeanEYE ,
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For different reasons though. In japan it’s for small restaurants which don’t employ many people or don’t have a lot of space or both. For McDonald’s it’s for pinching a dollar more for their empire.

aidan ,

In japan it’s for small restaurants which don’t employ many people or don’t have a lot of space or both.

So about saving money, which is the same reason

For McDonald’s it’s for pinching a dollar more for their empire.

McDonald’s is franchised

MeanEYE ,
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I also love the amount vending machines Japan has. I’d love to have machine for tea or late night ramen around every corner.

aidan ,

Not what you want to hear, but it sounds like you just want a kettle

MeanEYE ,
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Haha. If those two were the only things offered in vending machines in japan, then yes. But they don’t.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Cashless payment, or those machine that will count the money, sorta like vending machine.

Andromxda ,
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Ok what the actual fuck?

uis ,

They call it free market

conditional_soup ,

I’m almost certain this has been tried before multiple times and always ended badly. I see no reason to think it would be different now.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

No one wants to see the people who are being exploited.

intensely_human ,

“Please don’t destroy my job to satisfy your desire to virtue signal”

— the person who now has a job as a cashier

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Sucks to be them. Stop enabling our owner class to hollow out our economy even more

NocturnalMorning , (edited )

I just wouldn’t go to that restaurant. Plenty of other places to go.

sunzu ,

Critical thinking spotted!

Whoever clicked the link drop the name of that shithole so NYC shitposters know to avoid.

Confused_Emus ,

Thankfully even without the name it’ll be pretty obvious if you stumble across it.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Uh huh…avoid…

tightens brick

sunzu ,

damn fed... can't folk just not spend their money at a place that devalues their labour tho

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

That only works if consumers organize and have discipline. Like a boycott. Were talking about americans here, they wont bother unless its a trans woman

sunzu ,

You very likely very right but it does not mean that people should not do it and spread the word. Hopefully one day we can hit critical mass.

Vote with your money people, it is the most effective way to exercise of power you have. You must consume but some choices are better than others.

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Oh absolutely we should try, Im just a cynic

sunzu ,

me too but but got to fight the good fight.

denying corpos profits does bring some joy in life tho, the last bit of agency before the cyberpunk future.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

This is going to be the response to “work from home”

WoolyNelson ,

Cashiers fought for WFH?

If you’re talking about other sectors, it’s been done before (off-shoring in the 2000s).

sunzu ,

Yeah but he reminding us "that daddy can do it anytime to you"

U feel me?

MrSusan ,

Is this real? Is there any proof of this actually being a thing?

lemmylommy ,

So … they do ask for tips, right?

sunzu ,

Always dear... otherwise owner's children will starve ;)

MystikIncarnate ,

The tips go to the owner.

intensely_human ,

Tips are split and go to the whole team

feedum_sneedson ,

I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

intensely_human ,

Yeah it’s definitely dystopian that someone in the Philippines gets to earn a living 🙄

feedum_sneedson ,

Capitalism’s spatial fix.

rozodru ,

hope your job never gets offshored

you: “Yeah I lost my job, but hey, now someone in India gets to earn a living…can you help me prop up my cardboard box to keep the rain out? thanks.”

aidan ,

I agree it sucks that anyone would lose their job, but why is the default of people in the “west” having well paid, air conditioned jobs, and other people getting those jobs stealing from them.

explodicle ,

The default is locals having the job.

aidan ,

Why should it remain that way?

explodicle ,

Because the surplus from this change is going to the owner and not the workers.

aidan ,

It’s in NYC, I would not assume the owner is financially stable. Small businesses struggle because of two main costs, rent and labor

explodicle ,

Since we’re discussing the default, I’d assume average NYC everything. If a restaurant can’t afford to pay minimum wage for the area, then I wouldn’t assume their business is a good use of space.

aidan ,

XD

sunzu ,

How is this my problem?

Nobody ask how my budget at home work when I negotiate my salary.

Financial viability of a shiti business is the "owners" problem.

They never include me when they accounting them profits tho ;)

I wonder why dear?

aidan ,

Well, it’s your problem if they don’t employ you and you need a job I suppose. Or if you just like having non-mega corps in your neighborhood

sunzu ,

r if you just like having non-mega corps in your neighborhood

If you don't allow me to underpay workers, mega corps will ruin your neighborhoods, rheee

aidan ,

Depending on what you mean by underpay, possibly yeah it’ll contribute. Don’t look too much into the new CA restaurant worker minimum wage law.

Lyrl ,

Jobs are not a finite resource. If there is a pool of people who want to work, someone will find stuff to pay them to do.

I seriously would love for my entire current set of job responsibilities to be automated. There are a couple of value-adding full-time jobs’ worth of work I could be doing for my employer that are just being left on the table right now.

rozodru ,

Well this is just absolutely untrue. If there’s a pool of people who want to work then someone will just give them a job? what kind of magical unicorn world are you living in? So in your world unemployment rates just…don’t exist or are a fabrication? those people are just lazy?

If you got fired from your job and you couldn’t find another one, in your head, whose fault is that? yours? the mythical job provider who hasn’t blessed you with another?

If I ran a business and was provided the option of hiring you or someone in another country for peanuts, I’d tell you to kick grass.

But you want to work I hear you say! someone HAS to pay me to do something! nope, I’m not going to pay you, I’m going to pay this kid in India or his brother that just got off the plane half of what I would have to pay you.

Welcome to the real world.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

it is not the way the world has to work just because it’s the way the world currently works

Lyrl ,

There will always be some level of unemployment (a percentage of people who want job a won’t have found one), but if automation made the unemployment rate permanently go up, all the people who used to hand knit socks who lost jobs to powered looms, all the people who used to drive plows with oxen who lost jobs to combines, all the blacksmiths who lost jobs to powered forges, and equivalent percentage of the population for subsequent generations forever would remain unemployed. And yet, somehow, subsequent generations have managed to mostly find jobs.

Rullejorge ,

Not knowing the law in the US I guess it is fully legal. Given that there is no union or chain responsibility in the supply chain or similar to GDPR in EU you guys are fucked until someone abuse the system one way or another.

On the other hand it shows work from home is feasible even with these kind of things.

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