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nothing , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Yes, Europe. But assuming it was everywhere; the problem is “let users”. Why the hell don’t we own what we buy?

thecrotch ,

Users can already uninstall all of this easily enough with powershell. I assume what this ruling changes is that they have to let users uninstall with the standard tools, which was disabled because it may break things that rely on edge and they didn’t want people doing it accidently.

GiddyGap , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Thank you Europe. Once again you prove yourself to be what we all aspire to be.

vsh ,
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

Europe is carrying us fr

OfflineNerd ,

It’s a shame that this is only for users in the EEA though, I understand why they didn’t make it a blanket change, but we can dream

DigitalBits ,

Hey, I’ll change to use the N version of windows if it’ll get me this feature. Forced software on your devices is something I loathe.

madis ,

You probably just have to change your region to any EEA country, such as Ireland.

Pyr_Pressure , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

What happens if you uninstall edge and you don’t have any other browsers?

How do you reinstall it or install a different one without a secondary computer?

Tlaloc_Temporal ,

USB stick with a browser installer or a portable installation.

Windows will probably gladly reinstall Edge via some update service.

Chreutz ,

I remember installing Netscape Navigator and Mozilla like this across some years. But it was CD-Rs.

vsh ,
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

You can install a browser with CLI

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

I’m super tired and thought for a millisecond that was going to say CLIPPY.

Rootiest ,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

I imagine you can install it through the Microsoft Store or via the add/remove Windows features function

jedi_hamster ,

Back in my days we had windows versions that didn’t come with ethernet driver

s_s ,

curl

mediOchre ,

into a ball and cry?

odelik ,

wsl --install

sudo apt update

sudo apt install firefox -y

ichbinjasokreativ ,

You can use winget via powershell winget install firefox

Or you use the Microsoft store to install another browser

WhyAUsername_1 ,

Download file from another system.

Use wget in powershell to download it in same system.

Use winget to install browser.

Kuma ,
@Kuma@lemmy.world avatar

Winget like everyone said. But you can also download the exe with powershell if you know the url (otherwise just download the page and have fun finding the link haha)

soulfirethewolf ,

Hopefully you’d be able to do so from the Microsoft store

John ,

From shell

winget install --id=Mozilla.Firefox -e

For example

danielfgom , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

At last. This is actually good news for Windows itself because people will be more inclined to use it again if they don’t see ads, aren’t tracked, can set any default browser etc.

So it’s good for both users and Microsoft.

Sometimes these corporations just can’t help themselves by adding trash and they need a mommy figure to force them to stop doing that which ultimately benefits themselves.

sergih ,

Thing is for me windows opened a pandora’s box that goes further than just ad-free, once I started getting into open software thanks to switching to linux, I realized it’s not just the them saying there’s no tracking, it’s the being able to see it for yourself, it’s the there being a 1000 eyes on a project that don’t have a motivation to lie to you, checking making sure that there are no trackers.

It’s no longer just sbout them saying “it’s all good we ain’t spying” it’s about a project with a thousand eyes on them making sure this is actually the case, plus the nature of most open licenses where every fork also needs to follow such license.

It’s starting to become a sort of change in how I see society working with each other and I whish there were other aspects of life where such a philosophy vould be applied.

danielfgom ,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Agree 100%. Free Software user here. Linux Mint Debian Edition is what I’m running.

I wish all software and hardware abided by the FOSS principles

query , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

They say if you don’t pay, you’re the product, but that’s obviously bullshit, paying solves nothing. The saying should be never trust corporations.

sergih ,

If you don’t pay, you are the product. If you pay, you are the product + you are paying.

Djtecha , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Once steam covers 90% of games windows becomes irrelevant.

atthecoast ,

So what you’re saying is, 2024 will be the year of Linux on the desktop?

PhlubbaDubba ,

I do wonder about that, Gen Z and Alpha are less tech savvy than millennials, so there’s non zero odds that it doesn’t work out because Linux isn’t easily accessible in the tablet/phone space yet.

And no android doesn’t count

gh0stcassette ,
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Mobile Linux is a thing, though I think it would take governments mandating unlocked/user-unlockable bootloaders to gain literally Any market share. It would also probably take a compatibility layer for running Android apps similar to Wine in desktop Linux, but Android already runs a Linux kernel, so projects like Waydroid are most of the way there already by just running Android inside a container.

psud ,

They are also less wealthy than X and millennial were at first computer purchase age. GNU/Linux is cheap

PhlubbaDubba ,

The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common

psud ,

Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great

HW07 ,

I think we need rock-solid Wayland before we can expect TYLD. So I’m feeling 2026 minimum, then add a couple for some padding; so 2028 realistically. Think of how far we’ve come in 5 years, then imagine 5 years more.

If Nvidia’s consumer GPU market share dropped a bit too, that’d help.

frostinger , (edited )

Why do you think that Wayland is necessary for adoption? In my opinion it is the missing hardware drivers, compatability issues and “getting your hands dirty” while constantly tweaking stuff. Yeah it got better over the years, but most people want things to just work.

HW07 ,

Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don’t know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the “just works” experience.

Djtecha ,

Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I’d never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It’s like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that’s a great feeling.

frostinger , (edited )

but WHY is it necessary??

Honytawk ,

But which distro though?

skulkingaround ,

I know that phrase is the most beaten dead horse around at this point but the year of the Linux desktop is going to be different depending on what your requirements are.

If you just need to browse the web, it’s been there for over a decade. Same for most dev work.

For gaming, it’s already there for most titles. Pretty much everything I try works now unless it has anticheat. It’s been in a pretty good state for 2 or 3 years now at least.

For media creation and specialized software, it’s not there yet. The big stuff like adobe will probably never get ported and the free alternatives vary wildly in quality. Blender is awesome. GIMP is not. There’s also issues like lacking color management and iffy HDR support.

Matombo ,

yes he did and if it doesn’t happen we can shame him for all eternety, but i’m right with you there buddy: 2024 lets gooooooo!

sederx ,

it already is irrelevant for many people

baked_tea ,

For gamers-only maybe lmao

E: and people willing to spend several hours a month wondering why their OS broke again

Johanno ,

If you don’t tinker like the usual Linux user your os won’t break more often than windows

kadu ,
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  • Johanno ,

    As I said, not more often than windows

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  • Sheeple ,
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    Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks.

    There’s also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus.

    Johanno ,

    In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used.

    Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven’t run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now

    baked_tea ,

    It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing

    Johanno ,

    It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don’t do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018.

    And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft.

    baked_tea ,
    1. It was on Ubuntu Debian
    2. Is exactly what I’m trying to say… this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don’t really “manage to compete”. Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being “plug and play”
    Djtecha ,

    Windows updates break my clock… Idk about this claim that it doesn’t break stuff.

    baked_tea ,

    This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw

    Djtecha ,

    I don’t follow… And that’s not an actual expression

    Djtecha ,

    If you stick to Ubuntu you usually don’t have that problem IMHO.

    psud ,

    Hmm. My partner’s Linux machine is perfectly stable and has been for a decade. I administer it for them, but that’s just running updates and distribution upgrades every now and then

    My server takes more effort, as distribution upgrades sometimes break stuff, for example the mailing list manager I have used for a long time became deprecated and was disabled on the recent LTS upgrade

    My laptop running Ubuntu from the factory is perfectly fine, I’ll probably make it less stable by moving it to Debian

    Giooschi ,

    As long as many important games fall into that 10% many gamers won’t consider Linux.

    Not to mention Adobe/Office/CAD suites that will prevent others from switching.

    And finally most pcs are sold with windows preinstalled and the vast majority of people don’t even know that other OS even exist.

    ICastFist ,
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    Also a lot of high end medical equipment. Some stuff will only work/communicate with Windows XP, even today, for instance.

    Grass , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    This is terrible news for everyone like me that wants to incessantly tell people to switch to Linux. While I’m here, do it. Any distro other than Ubuntu and it’s deranged derivatives please.

    I mean it’s a good thing they are doing this, but I was kinda hoping they would go full suicide like unity or musk’s twatter. It’s also too little too late. They should allow straightforward telemetry disabling.

    ichbinjasokreativ ,

    Agreed that Linux is better. Disagreed on Ubuntu, that is a fantastic distro.

    Also, let people use what they want, you’re not the fsf.

    Benchamoneh , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    How do they verify that I’m in the EEA? Do I need to sign up through a VPN when I register Windows or do I just specify an EEA country during the install?

    blind3rdeye , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    So apparently having consumer-friendly laws does in fact lead to better products. Cool.

    Perhaps the USA and other countries should follow the EU’s good example on this.

    lolcatnip ,

    But socialism! They’re all gonna be starving and homeless! Any day now…

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    (they’re starving and homeless under capitalism)

    must be evil socialisms fault /s

    arefx ,

    USA politicians are paid for and if anything they will never do this in fact they will do the exact opposite and make it easier for corporations to exploit people.

    Suavevillain , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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    Based EU.

    moitoi , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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    Regulation works.

    Asudox , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
    @Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

    This is the first time I saw a post get over 1000 upvotes in 15 hours.

    fne8w2ah , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    Brussels Effect at work again.

    Kyoyeou , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    Man do I love Europe, so happy our ancestors started this stuff

    crypticthree , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    Now let me make the start menu normal

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