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n0m4n , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

As much as I liked Visual Studio, its privacy intrusiveness was my final straw.

JigglySackles , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Too little too late, I’m not getting any more versions of windows.

afraid_of_zombies , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Just think they might go from owning 98% of the market to 97% of the market. I am sure this is a nightmare for them.

widw ,

You just wait and see. I’ll bet it goes all the way down to 96 and then they’ll really be sorry.

Crashumbc ,

Year of the Linux destktop!

mojofrododojo ,

MS’s frequent missteps - win11, total recall, ai inescapable etc., - may just finally catch up with them. While they continue to devour game studios and shut them down for irrational reasons, who knows?

Stop being so negative and open your mind. Hell, MS did, you can use bash on the command line now. Times do change.

Tryptaminev ,

Gradual shifts can snowball into huge shifts. a few years ago Linux gaming only existed for the dedicated crowd, that somehow managed to make it work. Now for many it is no different from their Windows experience for most games, sometimes even better.

Think of it like bubbles pressing against each other. It matters not only how much pressure your own bubble has, but also how much pressure the other bubbles have in finding the equilibrium. The Windows bubble isn’t only weakening itself, the Linux bubble is getting stronger and stronger

MagicShel ,

For me, gaming was the one thing holding me back from really adopting Linux. When I got a PS5, I felt the time was right to make the switch, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find pretty much my whole Steam library works fine on Linux. VR still doesn’t work for me, but it seems to be getting there.

There is still a lot of googling and frustration involved in using and maintaining it, but I’m slowly learning through exposure. There is nothing I want to do on a PC any more that I need windows for. If the auto update stuff worked better, I’d probably recommend it to everyone. But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install. I’m guessing because of all the different ways to install software, but I can’t understand why it doesn’t just apt update/upgrade behind the scenes because that seems to work just fine.

lastweakness ,

But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install.

I have a Blue-Build based custom distro (not many customisations tbh), that I’m planning to ship for my sister as well as me. So far, updates have been painless because it’s just one base image overwriting the other. I have a feeling that that’s where Linux distros in general is headed. I can imagine Bazzite being just right for you if you’re into gaming.

MagicShel ,

Primarily I use my Linux box for development, but I do like to game on the PC from time to time. And then also I like to connect to oculus for SteamVR. I haven’t been able to do that since I got off windows. Yeah, I could dual boot or whatever, but I just don’t want to.

I’ll look into Bazzite because maybe I can move my kids’ computer to Linux as well. They do nothing but game/discord on theirs.

c0ber ,

i assume you mean that sarcastically but that is a nightmare for them and every bit of lost marketshare makes it easier to lose more

JackbyDev ,

Hey, if it makes some SVP not get their quarterly bonus then maybe we’ll see a marginal change for sex months! Maybe!

Dra , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Buy a mac or support steamOS adoption or just get a linux distro. This will drive the improvement of nontechnical consumer GNU/Linux

trslim ,

I cant believe im actually supporting the sentence “buy a mac” but its far far better than what ever microsoft is doing, and if you arent computer literate enough to install linux, its a decent alternative to windows.

jas0n ,

I can’t believe I’m actually upvoting that statement… coming from a former windows nerd (until 7).

bitwaba ,

Apple is going to start cramming their AI the throat of all users in the next year or two as well.

Just… No.

Draedron ,

Nah thanks

EmperorHenry , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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you can disable recall in regedit by adding a key and a DWord 32 bit value

BCat70 ,

Yeah … regedit should not be considered a solution for the user base. In fact any time the user base knows that regedit exists we in IT have failed.

ruse8145 ,

Woof you must absolutely loathe linux

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

O&OShutup10++ can now be used to disable windows recall as well

mypasswordis1234 , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

TL;DR:

  • Windows Recall, part of Microsoft’s new Copilot+ PC initiative, has sparked major privacy and security concerns.
  • The feature uses AI to capture and store screen data locally, allowing users to search for past activities using natural language.
  • Despite assurances that data is not uploaded to the cloud or used by Microsoft, user trust is lacking.
  • Microsoft has a history of practices that have eroded user trust, including obtrusive ads, ignoring user preferences, and requiring Microsoft Accounts.
  • Users are skeptical, fearing future misuse of the collected data for advertising or AI training.
  • Windows Recall reportedly stores data unencrypted, making it vulnerable to access by third-party apps and potential malware.
  • The open nature of Windows amplifies these risks, unlike more secure systems like iOS and Android.
  • Users have compared Windows Recall to spyware, with many threatening to switch to other operating systems like Linux or Mac.
  • Microsoft’s attempts to keep the development of Windows Recall secret did not help build trust.
  • Windows Recall will only be available on new Copilot+ PCs, requiring specific hardware not present in existing PCs.
  • Users will have the option to disable the feature, but there are concerns about it being enabled by default.
  • Despite security issues, the feature is effective in helping users find lost or forgotten data.
  • It could improve productivity if trust and security concerns are resolved.
Epzillon ,

Windows Recall does NOT require NPU hardware to run. Currently Recall has been tested on Windows 11 with only a CPU and it seems to be fully operational. Of course performance is not as good as with an NPU. I believe Microsoft will try to push AI to local computing by only enabling on computers with NPUs to begin with. In the future it will most likely be able to be enabled on PCs which does not have an NPU but with a warning of bad performance in front of it.

secret300 ,

In the future most CPU’s will prolly have an NPU built in. We already seeing it with ryzen

werefreeatlast , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

So it will use AI to auto detect penises to prevent embarrassing video recordings.

FilthyCheese ,

Time to get a wiggly, wobbly dick cursors.

egeres , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
@egeres@lemmy.world avatar

I do think that the concept of recall is very interesting, I want to explore a FOSS version where you have complete ownership of your data in a secure manner

JasSmith ,

Yeah the concept is pretty damn cool. It’s just horrifying to have a company own and control that data. I suspect this is like Xbox One launch disaster in 2013, in which Microsoft initially required all consoles to have an always-online connection. People rebelled, but today and certainly on our current trajectory, it now looks like Microsoft was just a little ahead of the curve. I think people will eventually become a lot more comfortable with companies owning their data because the benefits will be so enormous. I’m not happy about that future, but I think I understand it.

Hackworth ,

It seems to me that we’ve reached a crossroads. I’ve been very aware of the data mining, garden walls, data trading, privacy violations, security issues, ownership issues, etc. - for roughly 30 years. I regularly make the choice to be exploited for the benefits I extract, largely because the data they’ve gotten from me thus far I don’t highly value. But the necessity to develop strategies to keep the devil’s bargain beneficial has reached a fevered pitch. I want to train my own AI and public AIs. I want to explore the vast higher dimensional semantic spaces of generative models without API charges. APIs are vanishing as we speak, anyway, companies fearful of their data being extracted without compensation. Can’t really sit on the Open/Closed fence anymore.

cupcakezealot , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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I mean 95% of their customers probably don’t care or even know what Recall is but…

Wogi ,

I’m learning about it as a result of this thread. I’m still on 10, but I know what to look for when I inevitably am forced to switch to 11.

A number of things I use still aren’t supported on Linux

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Yeah this. Fed up with sensationalist headlines that are far from reality. Us Lemmy users have a better understanding of what’s going on but we shouldn’t be falling for this journalism as it’s nonsense.

skulblaka ,
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95% of their customers are businesses, who no, they don’t understand that. But their IT department does.

Crashumbc ,

Their IT department also knows the MS isn’t going anywhere…

Honytawk ,

And that IT department also knows how to disable it with a single Group Policy

It really is a none issue

Kaput ,

There will be corporate editions that Let you turn it off. There is no way that get activated in defence related businesses.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, you can be damn sure I’m going to disable this at some grand level for my ORG if it makes it to us.

RegalPotoo , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

My 10 year prediction - Microsoft does a full transition to a services company:

  • Basic Windows is free, even for OEMs
  • Windows Professional becomes a subscription thing, maybe you get it as part of your Azure AD sub
  • Things like Recall or not having ads are extra subscriptions
Natanael ,

There were already rumors halfway between 10 and the release of 11 that they wanted to do it that way, making 10 the last “standalone” release version

secretlyaddictedtolinux , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Most male computer uses watch porn and would not want an AI to log that. Many women find porn sickening and don’t understand it and will never understand male urges that result in watching it. The fact that this got into a finished product tells you a lot about Microsoft’s corporate culture.

No one working there really cares about the company enough to bring up uncomfortable issues, they are all there just to get their paycheck and actual outcomes be damned. The culture their must be toxic for this product to have been put into a product enabled by default.

If this was a top-down decision and there was no input by others into it, it leads to questions over whether this feature was forced to be included by the government, which can easily require corporations to do anything and then issue gag orders and whether it was some sort of test to see how much intrusive spying bullshit that regular consumers will tolerate now. If this was a feature that was forced into the product, the plan may have been to turn it off by default after negative feedback, but then just keep it in the program for when governments want to turn it on. Governments may have realized it in any capacity such a terrible feature would result in outrage and may have thought this was the path of least resistance, like saying “Would you like to eat a bowl of shit? No, okay, we’ll just give you these brussel sprouts”

JasSmith ,

Most male computer uses watch porn and would not want an AI to log that. Many women find porn sickening and don’t understand it and will never understand male urges that result in watching it. The fact that this got into a finished product tells you a lot about Microsoft’s corporate culture.

Excellent point. We saw exactly the same phenomenon play out with Google and Gemini. The tool created racially diverse Nazis. Even a few minutes with the tool revealed major issues. There must have been hundreds of people who witnessed the slow moving train crash in realtime, but were either unwilling or unable to speak out. I think these companies have clearly cultivated a hierarchical culture of fear and intimidation. I recently left a job in which my manager was ex-Google. The stories she would tell were appalling. Her command-and-control style was, frankly, disgusting. She permitted zero critical feedback or discussion. It was her way or “fuck off.” I found that very instructive as to how these companies have morphed into shells of their formers selves. I’m not bullish on the future of these companies. They’re coasting very well on the fumes of their historical successes, and I think their demise is all but assured.

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

lol, you’re the only one who liked my post apparently. everyone else hates it!

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

people hated that post too 😭

Rekorse ,

I dont hate your original post, its just somewhat confusing and disjointed.

Could you expand on your first paragraph? I feel like I’m missing context there especially to connect the first and second sentence.

Also, what is your overall point?

secretlyaddictedtolinux , (edited )

The point of the first two sentences is that because there is a large gender divide on whether porn is acceptable, a lot of times men and women don’t discuss porn because the subject will lead to conflict. This isn’t true of all members of both genders. Since corporations often have a mix of genders, bringing up the topic of porn and how a feature could alienate porn viewers would be an uncomfortable topic that would be easier to avoid because men and women find the topic uncomfortable often for different reasons. In Microsoft’s case, it seems like no one at Microsoft brought up how male porn watchers might not like AI watching their pornhub history and recording it to a file, despite it seeming like it would be an obvious concern to any male at Microsoft who watches porn, and likely many do. These means their corporate culture is so selfish on their own career protection and focused on not offending others that they let a really bad feature that many hate go to market instead of talking openly how this would be a disaster out of fear that it could cause workplace conflict.

So instead of saving millions of dollars in costs and damage to the brand, everyone at Microsoft aware of this problem just said nothing. That’s a terrible corporate culture. If a product isn’t going to work, even uncomfortable discussions should be had if it saves millions.

My point overall was that it’s shocking this made it into the product. It’s such a bad idea for a feature on multiple levels, that it seems like employees did not openly talk about this.

My other point was that if Microsoft employees didn’t drop the ball, then this feature may have been forced into the project by a government order of some kind, which can and does happen in closed source software. Although hidden backdoors are often secret, the government could equally compel a large unlocked window at the front be added as well.

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

There needs to be a way to have an inclusive corporate culture that celebrates cultures and backgrounds but also allows brutal honesty about products without people being afraid of accidentally offending others or being too indifferent to the corporation’s success to speak up.

A lot of it probably relates to how often people are fired and how short tenures are with companies. If you have a short tenure with a company or are expecting to, does it matter if Company A does well instead of Company B or Company C? It probably doesn’t, and with social media capturing one wrong offensive faux paus for eternity (by which I mean until the planet becomes uninhabitable 300 years from now), workers have every incentive to let disasters like this go to market.

I am judging Microsoft employees but likely would have said nothing if I were there too. With all the layoffs in tech, why risk it to say something controversial? Even my initial post on this got down-voted into the depths of an abyss just for mentioning that men and women see pornography in different ways sometimes, which should hardly be controversial. I don’t know whether the votes were from men or women, but actually I imagine more women than men down-voted it, and even this guess will probably lead to additional down-votes.

I dislike people like Elon Musk for his cruelty towards transgender people (despite his admirable intelligence), and I dislike Donald Trump for his cruelty towards those who are different in any way, but I also feel like people should be able to have discussions about actual uncomfortable subjects without it being automatically offensive. The fact I was so heavily down-voted immediately tends to illustrate my point.

NutWrench , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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The switch to Linux will have to come from the bottom up. Corporations will NOT switch until Microsoft costs them serious money.

PsyDoctah9Jah , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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Both Apple and Microsoft are two sides of the same coin…

One went left, the other went right, both going to the same location…

The only thing to consider is how you prefer to travel and how quickly you want to arrive…

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

So true!

freewheel ,

I built a kit car, painted a penguin on the side, and forgot to include the telemetry module. Oops.

I think I’ll travel somewhere else.

F4U57 ,

Agreed

laurelraven ,

Microsoft and Apple are not the only choices

ProgrammingSocks , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Stallman just keeps being right*

*About software freedom

ninekeysdown ,
@ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

lol, yeah that’s an important asterisk for sure!

werefreeatlast , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Probably not only for Mucroshit. The industry as a whole is intrusive. Soon there won’t be a single place to run to between our home, our place of work, and everything in between. Churches, parks, roads everything is just micro spying on us constantly.

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