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PanArab , to technology in Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza

Another reason to boycott Microsoft. Though I don’t expect other tech companies to be any better.

SleezyDizasta , to news in 'Microsoft killed my online life,' Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza

This is a pretty misleading article. They cite the BBC “investigation” as a source, but if you go to the BBC article you’ll quickly see it’s not an investigation or anything near that. It’s just a reporting of the anecdotes of 3 individuals who happen to be Palestinians living abroad. You can’t establish any type of conclusions on a sample size that small.

This isn’t a study, it’s not a survey, it’s not a poll, it doesn’t prove that Microsoft is intentionally making these bans, it doesn’t track down the actual reasons for the bans, or anything really. The BBC article is fine for what it is, just a reporting of a mildly interesting event, but this windoscentral article is just bad bait.

cecinestpasunbot ,

It’s not misleading. It’s reporting on the BBC article as it was originally published.

archive.is/8Aefo

The BBC article was subsequently edited down to remove key information while no comment or retraction was made. This isn’t surprising as many journalist who work for the BBC have accused their editors of bias.

aljazeera.com/…/as-israel-pounds-gaza-bbc-journal…

This is why media literacy is important. If you knew how media outlets operate it would be easy to figure out what happened in this case.

ComicalMayhem ,

wait so you’re telling me in addition to checking the cited material, I have to now check if the cited material was edited? no one fuckin told me that what the hell

SleezyDizasta ,

While that is a good catch, the only two differences between the original article and the edited one is that they removed the statement where they mentioned they’ve spoken to 20 Palestinians living abroad and added a little paragraph that mentions the number of causalities that were caused by the war. The contents of the article are still largely the same. The original article still isn’t an investigation like the windowscentral article claims. It’s just a reporting of the experiences of the 20 or so individuals they’ve spoken to, where again, only 3 individuals are highlighted. I don’t see anything wrong with the BBC article, my issue is with the way that windowscentral framed the BBC article.

Also for the record, while the BBC has it’s biases, Al Jazeera is a Qatari state owned propaganda outlet. They’re not credible on most things, but especially when it comes to anything relating to the middle east. Take anything they say with a tub of salt.

sol6_vi , to technology in Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza
@sol6_vi@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like I dumped msft at the right time. What ass hats.

vga , to technology in Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza

What confirmation do we have that Microsoft did not have a good reason to ban this person? There seems to be just this single report going around the net.

Linkerbaan OP ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

What confirmation do we have the person did deserve the ban? Microsoft refusing to respond does not absolve them from guilt.

Also this happened to multiple people that called their family in Gaza, it’s not one instance.

smb , to technology in Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza

one does not become dependent on tech giants without a critical loss at some day, no matter whats the “reason” for it and they tend to do weird stuff within or without laws…

For others or for a new start and how to avoid such in the future (maybe “migrate” your relatives to secure services “before” you get ripped off):

  • get your own domain like somestupidtext.info make sure the toplevel (.info .com .net or whatever) has laws that let you effecticely reclaim your domain if one of the providers block something or fail to do their job. also make sure you do not fall into only-first-year-very-cheap traps for domain prices. maybe check that the toplevel domain is not one regulary found to be used by spammers and thus maybe blocked by some providers.
  • use one company only for DNS related things, maybe name.com, but there are plenty others and lots of generic hosting providers also provide dns-only hosting.
  • get some provider to host email for your domain or run your own emailserver and set mx records to that mailserver.
  • configure and change valueable services to your email addresses under your domain
  • make sure you have a local(!) copy of all your emails that automatically updates itself, if you can, at least daily, offlineimap checked in into a git repo could do a good job
  • if one provider sucks, change it and leave the rest as is.
  • the setup alone already shows the provider, that only gov (of that toplevel domain) can effectively block you, as when the email provider tries to block you, you find a new one and change MX records (and obviously cancel and stop paying the blocking one), if the DNS provider tries to block you, you get a new provider and transfer the domain to it, if that fails a lawyer could help) also the small providers have usually no way to know what you do on another account at another company, only if you put your whole life into the hands of the few known big evil ones, you are that vulnerable to the chaos they produce.

also setting up recovery addresses (if possible) is a good idea, like when one email is unusable for whatever reason, the provider already has a known email address from you to start a recovery process, of course that second email address MUST be out of reach of the provider of the first one, that is, if you have somemailprovider.com address and one at microshits, then microshit buys somemailprovider.com, you have to change everything from that somemailprovider.com to a new one just to stay secure. due to this, your own domain with a connected email service of a random hosting provider comes in handy as you would not have to change all the email adresses but only that random email provider. also if skype/zoom etc does not work for you, there are plenty of other ways to do video talks on the internet. i prefer to be independent for same reasons even though i haven’t been blocked yet, i just saw the signs of possible approaching evil because of the shitflow big evil tech produces all the time just to flush their believers view of what would be possible down the drain and choosed independence ahead of losses. following signs like leaving companies with red flags (like just too big, like already robbed their users, like give a shit on their users security, like give a shit on their bugs and blame users while their own big-tech-company-network is pwned by someone unknown for month and such) a more privacy aligned messenger that supports videocalls would be for example matrix, there are multiple clients to choose from and lots of providers to choose from (also self hosting or becoming a provider is possible while for talking to each other it is NOT necessary to use the same provider, but again self-hosting of course is most-secure) one cannot do things securely without knowing a bit about what it is. to learn more about dns, email, matrix or other topics the internet is full of informations, sometimes wikipedia is very helpful and linux user groups exist for talking about stuff and helping each other. the type of support is different and -as i see it - much more efficient, but different, there is no one to do it for you (or you get into the very same dependency trap again) but you are encouraged to learn what it takes to do so and do it yourself.

example prices from a random dns provider: .de 10€ / year .eu 16€ / year

random mail provider imap email 100GB storage 3 € /month

that is having more control over your email than when using big tech, may cost you more or less 4€ per month (and maybe the learning time to set everything up). for matrix server one might use managed services, looking around i found etke.cc with 5€ as a base minimum when you provide your own VPS for it, but with many other options too. maybe the free hosting announced by element.io where i did not look into yet is an option too. i prefer my own domains and servers, but just using separate hosting companies for dns, email and matrix gives a whole lot more control while still beeing a simple and adjustable setup. while matrix does not lock you in into one instance from the beginning (i can chat/call from/to my own account/server to any other account on other servers while beeing able to try this out using a multi-account-client that connects to all acvounts/servers at the same time) they now have bridges so one can use the same client to chat with others on telegram or whatsapp (and others) too, so this is rather the opposite of vendor lock-in. while a matrix hoster could still block your account in error and if you did not use your own domain for your matrix account at the hoster, you could connect to your friends again from another account at another hoster as you would still have their matrix adresses stored in your client. however to securely use matrix one should read about its security mechanisms and what backup keys are and why one should validate new connections.

if you had the loss, at least take advantage of the message/lesson: big tech is too powerful and thus insecure. maybe do three steps in parallel: choose and migrate to smaller providers, more providers each for different things, if one f**ks up, everything else stays in place, thus less stressful on problems. second step in parallel: get yourself into DIY your digital life. every little step into independence is a step more powerful while removing the very same power from big tech to attack the stability of your digital life. third step in parallel: share your problem including the possible solutions, which you choosed and how it went to those you think might take advantage of that information ;-)

recapitated ,

I love these ideas but self hosting is simply not a solution for average citizens who aren’t skilled at such things. To them it would be like paving their own highway with bridges and also maintaining and policing them. It might be easy for you and me, but that’s because we have training and experience and we chose this way. It’s not a justifiable opportunity cost for most people.

I think a different kind of org than the googles metas and Microsofts of the world is in need, like a compute & communications co-op that can actually compete on that level of capability offerings, accessibility, performance and security.

smb ,

i think it should not be too difficult to compete with m$ security, that is at least true for the state of the last 30 years or maybe more.

But something like a non-profit organisation - or a bunch of them- that make self-hosting for essential services (like email, messenger, video calls) a charm could be a big win for billions of peoples.

Lyricism6055 ,

Self hosting email is a terrible idea. Your Internet goes out? All your emails are black holed

JasonDJ ,

Pfft even a shitty DNS host could do that.

eNom is supposed to forward all emails from one of my domains to Gmail. I get maybe half of them. Really gotta get around to moving that over to SimpleLogin and Cloudflare.

TheFin ,

Absolutely agree

MisterFrog , to news in 'Microsoft killed my online life,' Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

Holy balls we are living in the wild west era of the internet.

Shit needs to be regulated.

Just I’m not super confident regulation will come in the form of mandatory encryption at rest, end-to-end encryption by default and only not when necessary, banning selling data to 3rd parties, being able to quickly and speedily unban unjustly banned accounts by regulator intervention (like this one).

Terms of service are bullshit when our entire digital identities are attached to emails.

Looking around, the regulation we’ll see will instead be in the form “nothing to fear if you’ve got nothing to hide.”

I can daydream, though.

autotldr Bot , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Generative AI is taking the world by storm, and its impact is evident across all sectors, including medicine, education, music, computing, and more.

According to a detailed analysis by Michael Thomas, this surpasses the power consumption of over 100 nations, including Ghana, Tunisia, and more (via Tom’s Hardware).

Some of the downsides to advancements in the AI landscape include the degradation of the environment, however, Google and Microsoft are big on renewable energy and have been championing the campaign while seeking alternative power sources.

Elon Musk claimed we’re on the verge of the biggest technology breakthrough with AI, but there won’t be enough power by 2025.

Sam Altman has been exploring a potential alternative power source for OpenAI’s AI efforts, with nuclear fusion at the top of his list.

While nuclear fusion seems like the perfect solution for AI’s power needs due to its non-existent impact on the environment, scientists and researchers say it’s “too late to deal with the climate crisis” and view fission and renewable energy as better options.


The original article contains 449 words, the summary contains 169 words. Saved 62%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

magic_lobster_party , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

Bitcoin is estimated to consume 172 TWh, which is way more than Google and Microsoft combined.

https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

Retiring , (edited )
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

172 TWh per year

Your statement was as useful as the following: A VW Polo car costumes 3000 liters of fuel.

*Edit: Downvote me all you want 😂 if I am right I am right.

brsrklf , (edited )

In 2023, Microsoft and Google consumed 48 TWh of electricity (24 TWh each).

Your point?

The data in the article was for one year. This is the same unit.

Retiring ,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

The comment was 172TWh without specifying a timeframe whatsoever. Is it a year? Is it a day? A month?

It was about the comment about bitcoin, not the post itself.

brsrklf ,

That’s the same timeframe as the one used in the article, and sure, they could have made it explicit again, but implicitly it makes sense because it’s the one that’s useful for a direct comparison.

Turns out, the implicit timeframe that should be clear after reading the article was the right one, and it’s pretty damning for bitcoin as is. So again, I am not sure what point you want to make.

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

I’m on the side of [email protected] here, since I read the comments before the article. Without the articles’ context I had no idea if this meant all-time usage, per year, or per month.

Since the link is right there though, which says per year, it’s really not a huge deal.

magic_lobster_party ,

In 2023, the two tech companies

The article is also about per year

Retiring ,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes it is. But your comment still doesn’t make sense until you add “per year”.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,

The downvotes aren’t because you’re wrong, they’re because you’re bring obnoxious about being right.

BearOfaTime ,

So, is Watt-hours/unit-time no longer a meaningful unit?

Because, if so, you better tell every power company I’ve had, because that’s how they’ve billed me.

Retiring ,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

WattHours is a unit of work. If you say that bitcoin uses x amount of Wh it doesn’t say shit about how much it actually consumes. Because you don’t say in what amount of time Bitcoin uses said amount of work, you cannot compare it. I could state, that Bitcoin uses 5 Wh. Which would also be correct.

Its the same as saying, Bob eats 5 apples. Alice eats 2000 apples. Can you compare the two? No, because what I forgot to mention is, that Bon eats 5 apples a week and Alice eats 2000 apples in 3 years. Now i can compare the two.

Do you get my point?

technocrit ,

Yes, bitcoin is trash. But most modern cryptos use far less energy. For example the second largest crypto ethereum uses almost no energy compared to bitcoin/AI..

“AI” can not say the same at all. And, unlike crypto, there’s no realistic improvement in sight. It just keeps getting worse.

explodicle ,

PoS requires significant staker profits to work, which would create the same inequality as the dollar has. It’s basically dollar bonds but without regulations.

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

There’s more to “AI” than just ChatGPT…

I think you’re mixing up what AI actually means here, you would probably like this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGIpdiQrFDU

But in brief, what about DLSS? The ML models for that get improved with every driver update.

STT models like whisper that are great at transcribing/translating.

Object recognition models for drones to keep the camera centered on you and for object avoidance.

ML models for finding new cures.

Models in astronomy for finding planets… Etc.

You’re trying to tell me that everything “AI” is trash and not getting better?

MonkderDritte , (edited ) to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

To be fair, Iceland only has around 400k inhabitants.

dropout ,

Closer to 400k

MonkderDritte ,

Right, it was a bit over 100k km², memory is a bitch, corrected.

muix ,

80% of our produced energy goes to aluminium smelting.

MonkderDritte ,

In Iceland or world?

muix ,

Iceland

dutchkimble , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

But people from those countries must also be using Google and Microsoft

NeatNit ,

There might be some double counting, but it doesn’t matter - this just illustrates the insane scale of these companies.

filister OP ,

Correction, the insane amount of energy the AI needs

magic_lobster_party ,

Is all of this due to AI? I’m confident most of the energy is spent on other stuff, like data centers. Both Google and Microsoft are cloud providers.

Num10ck ,

perhaps until they get neural links installed on prisoners.

FishFace ,

Comparing huge multinational countries which serve every country to the half of countries with the smallest energy usage is not terribly illustrative.

BearOfaTime ,

I think you meant comparing companies, guessing autocorrect got you.

And I disagree, it’s useful, but more useful would be a chart of countries and multi-nationals, with the company usage removed from the country usage, to see it more clearly.

golli ,

Not just people, but importantly also corporations running their services on Microsoft azure or Google cloud.

ZILtoid1991 , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

But we will soon have AGI, and then you can have your very own JARVIS! Don’t you like Iron Man? Don’t you like super heroes? Don’t you like sci-fi? /s

0x0 ,

Wake me up when AI can simulate my brain. Literally, run me.exe and let me know.

T156 ,

All fun and games until a moth ends up in your transistors.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

What if the moth is just their fursona?

PoolloverNathan ,

Moths have fur?

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I think all moths have some amount of fur, it’s easy to notice on the base of their wings, just “behind” (below?) the head. Some, like the rosy moth, are almost entirely covered in furs

PoolloverNathan ,

TIL, thanks

merde ,

ants! ants!

EQijUyIW4AADbLg

Danitos ,

Which movie is this?

ghoscht ,

I believe it’s Pi (1998). Absolutely crazy movie, you should watch the trailer: youtu.be/yRjkQT9xLZs

merde ,

yes, Pi

explodicle ,

You pass the butter.

BlackLaZoR , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

Sun consumes 100000000000+ countries power. We have to do something!

nightwatch_admin ,

Easy, switch it off!

pirat ,

Not the brightest idea…

Jako301 , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

And both of these companies build and purchased more renewable energy sources than all 100+ countries combined. Microsoft has committed to be carbon free by 2030, and while I don’t belive in their commitment, they at least seem to be trying contrary to most nations. They even invested in nuclear plants for their power needs.

You can fault both companies for a lot of different reasons, but in terms of carbon emissions due to power usage, they are better than 99.9% of the countries on that list.

nightwatch_admin ,

They didn’t build it. They buy from local suppliers, power that could have been used by people and companies already there. Now it’s just a lot more, while a serious part of the power consumption goes into debatable purposes like overhyped AI stuff.

Edit: and fwiw, recently Microsoft themselves announced that they are far from their reduction targets roadmap, so not sure where you got the happy flow news from

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Green energy that could go to higher priority sectors like decarborning housing, food production and transportation . Carbon free doesn’t mean no ecological impact, of course it’s better than fossil fuel, but it still a lot of ressources extracted and place taken over nature (which is the first cause of biodiversity loss). So ideally we should only destroy so much for essential needs.

BearOfaTime ,

Meh, it’s all smoke and mirrors.

This is the “manufacture more to use fewer resources” nonsense of cash for clunkers.

Aetherion , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

They want to become carbon neutralbut climate crisis is already running.

Feels like build „don’t smoke here“ - signs in our forests while they are burning.

nightwatch_admin , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

“While nuclear fusion seems like the perfect solution for AI’s power needs due to its non-existent impact on the environment…”

nonexistent is key here.

BearOfaTime ,

Well, it’s definitely non-existant…

slaacaa ,

Non-existent power source for a non-existent tech, a match made in heaven

(meaning what they hype as AI is actually mostly just LLM)

bbuez ,

Second law of thermodynamics would like to chime in, even with such a perfect nonexistent power source, waste heat is still an issue… which you can radiate to space, which would take tremendous land use to facilitate…

Or we use that land and capital and effort for solar power, which exists and could power practically everything in our lives, minus AI. Sounds like a win to me.

(Also not to mention the necessity to fire up more fossils for this shit to compensate for the current lack of miracle power for their pipe dreams)

explodicle ,

“A drop in the bucket” would be an overstatement here.

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