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mojoaar , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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The struggle is real for M$ - recall is a Security Incident waiting to happen.

beefbot , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Linux!: Had set It up years ago when it was a slog. Came back recently after Windows did this— and it was so much easier.

Work? Yes. The comfort of knowing I’ve put off for one more day the tech ubergods carving my life open? Also yes.

iAvicenna , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

security issues as in its very existence?

Tryptaminev , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

and here i am, happy that i could buy a notebook for 200 bucks less w.o. a windows preinstalled on it, enjoying my beginner friendly linux distro.

mojofrododojo ,

just wondering, who’s offering discounts and what’d you end up with? Thanks!

the_third ,

I usually buy refurbished Thinkpads with a year of warranty. There are at least two resellers for those in Germany that I know of, AfB and Lapstore.

mojofrododojo ,

TY

RegalPotoo , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

My 10 year prediction - Microsoft does a full transition to a services company:

  • Basic Windows is free, even for OEMs
  • Windows Professional becomes a subscription thing, maybe you get it as part of your Azure AD sub
  • Things like Recall or not having ads are extra subscriptions
Natanael ,

There were already rumors halfway between 10 and the release of 11 that they wanted to do it that way, making 10 the last “standalone” release version

ProgrammingSocks , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Stallman just keeps being right*

*About software freedom

ninekeysdown ,
@ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

lol, yeah that’s an important asterisk for sure!

riodoro1 , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

dumb fucking corporations will still line their pockets with money.

chemicalwonka , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
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opt-in until next update when it will be enabled “magically”

xavier666 ,

Let me tell exactly what will happen.

  • Step 1 - It’s opt-in. Everyone chill
  • Step 2 - It’s opt-in but the opt-in button is advertised during startup
  • Step 3 - “opting in in crucial for your safety and comfort” advertised everytime during startup
  • Step 4 - it’s opt-out now but it can be turned off in settings
  • Step 5 - it’s opt-out but the off button is hidden below 3 layers
  • Step 6 - the opt-out button is gone but can be turned off with a registry edit
  • Step 7 - sorry, it’s a core component of W11

We are currently at Step 1

This comment is taken from another lemmy post but I forgot the username. Apologies.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

If you don’t opt in you will miss essential security updates and you will become a terrorist

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

I mean even if it is not mandatory but automatically enabled once, odds are %80 of the users won’t even bother turning it off so win for windows in any case

kittenzrulz123 , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Microsoft: oh no we might loose 0.0000001% of users, it doesn’t matter since we can shove our software down people throats

afraid_of_zombies , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Just think they might go from owning 98% of the market to 97% of the market. I am sure this is a nightmare for them.

widw ,

You just wait and see. I’ll bet it goes all the way down to 96 and then they’ll really be sorry.

Crashumbc ,

Year of the Linux destktop!

mojofrododojo ,

MS’s frequent missteps - win11, total recall, ai inescapable etc., - may just finally catch up with them. While they continue to devour game studios and shut them down for irrational reasons, who knows?

Stop being so negative and open your mind. Hell, MS did, you can use bash on the command line now. Times do change.

Tryptaminev ,

Gradual shifts can snowball into huge shifts. a few years ago Linux gaming only existed for the dedicated crowd, that somehow managed to make it work. Now for many it is no different from their Windows experience for most games, sometimes even better.

Think of it like bubbles pressing against each other. It matters not only how much pressure your own bubble has, but also how much pressure the other bubbles have in finding the equilibrium. The Windows bubble isn’t only weakening itself, the Linux bubble is getting stronger and stronger

MagicShel ,

For me, gaming was the one thing holding me back from really adopting Linux. When I got a PS5, I felt the time was right to make the switch, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find pretty much my whole Steam library works fine on Linux. VR still doesn’t work for me, but it seems to be getting there.

There is still a lot of googling and frustration involved in using and maintaining it, but I’m slowly learning through exposure. There is nothing I want to do on a PC any more that I need windows for. If the auto update stuff worked better, I’d probably recommend it to everyone. But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install. I’m guessing because of all the different ways to install software, but I can’t understand why it doesn’t just apt update/upgrade behind the scenes because that seems to work just fine.

lastweakness ,

But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install.

I have a Blue-Build based custom distro (not many customisations tbh), that I’m planning to ship for my sister as well as me. So far, updates have been painless because it’s just one base image overwriting the other. I have a feeling that that’s where Linux distros in general is headed. I can imagine Bazzite being just right for you if you’re into gaming.

MagicShel ,

Primarily I use my Linux box for development, but I do like to game on the PC from time to time. And then also I like to connect to oculus for SteamVR. I haven’t been able to do that since I got off windows. Yeah, I could dual boot or whatever, but I just don’t want to.

I’ll look into Bazzite because maybe I can move my kids’ computer to Linux as well. They do nothing but game/discord on theirs.

c0ber ,

i assume you mean that sarcastically but that is a nightmare for them and every bit of lost marketshare makes it easier to lose more

JackbyDev ,

Hey, if it makes some SVP not get their quarterly bonus then maybe we’ll see a marginal change for sex months! Maybe!

ulkesh , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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I’m telling everyone I know it’s time to move to Linux, or worst case Mac.

FiniteBanjo ,

Mac is not better in any circumstance. Except maybe power efficiency but I doubt that’s going to last for long.

TheFeatureCreature ,
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MacOS is a highly mature, stable, and user-friendly OS that, at least for now, Apple does not meddle with in the same ways that MS has been doing with Windows. It has its problems, yes, but to say “any circumstance” is extreme. I don’t like or agree with everything that Apple has done to MacOS but at least Apple isn’t actively trashing it into the ground with forced bloat, ads, malware, etc like MS is doing.

kayazere ,

They are definitely are starting to trash it with ads for their own services, user hostile behavior/dark patterns (try turning off Bluetooth and applying a software update, it will be magically back on), and have ruined the UI slowly turning it in to iOS.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

I have used a Mac since 2007 (almost exclusively for work) and many of Apple’s services during that time. I have not experienced any ads as you describe. As for Bluetooth magically turning back on after a software update, of course I do not know for certain, but that screams incompetence more than it screams intent. Apple most definitely has problems (where they build their hardware, policies they tried to enact and then backtracked, etc). And I’m not advocating for them like I am for Linux and other open source solutions. But if a normal user doesn’t want to deal with some of the lingering complexities that Linux still has (which is a dwindling number), then a Mac is a relatively viable alternative and it does not come anywhere near as close to the privacy nightmare that Microsoft has become.

I am not tribal at all with respect to any of these entities. I have used all three OSes for the better part of 25 years. I have watched the ebbs and flows of Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Canonical, Red Hat, and various FOSS solutions such as Linux, for a very long time. And I have had a front row seat seeing Apple’s mistakes, Microsoft’s mistakes, Canonical’s mistakes, and so forth. And I feel I can judge with some semblance of realism and objectivity – Microsoft has failed so hard with Recall and they are so out of touch with what users want, they deserve every bit of ire they are getting, and they deserve to have their market share diminish because of it. Aside from perhaps Google, and now Adobe, I haven’t seen a technology company be so blatantly and willfully aggressive (and one could say, stupid) when it comes to these actions and topics.

kayazere ,

The Bluetooth issue also happens on iOS, so I think it is an explicit choice, as Apple wants as many devices contributing to their Find My Network. It’s also the reason they changed control center on iOS to no longer turn off Wifi and Bluetooth, but to disconnect the current connections.

ulkesh ,
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I’ve not run into this, but I also use Bluetooth on both devices (my work Mac and my personal phone) so it’s usually enabled. I also rely on Find My capabilities, so I suppose I’m their target audience. However, if they are purposefully re-enabling even after a user explicitly disables, then I agree completely that that is anti-user/anti-consumer/anti-privacy and they should be brought to task for it.

FiniteBanjo ,

Lmao nice

You might want to add the /s tho, some people might not get it.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I’m telling everyone I know

Vegan, European, CrossFit, Linux, born again

aBundleOfFerrets ,

Seeing “European” is all you need to know this is rage bait

SkyeStarfall ,

How many times do people need to get fucked over by privatized black box software before they realize that FOSS has a point?

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Just like people who are beholden to their politics or their religion, they’ll get fucked over as often as possible until they’re dead. The majority of people are tribal and sadly they see Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc as some kind of extension of their tribal identity.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Helping people to prevent their privacy from being completely screwed isn’t the same as feeling superior and smug about one’s choices, lifestyle, or where one lives. The sooner people understand the difference, the better.

But sure.

I also use Arch, btw…got any “witty” response to it?

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

I don’t know what this post means… but I want to learn.

Are you Vegan and moved to Europe and now do CrossFit?

That actually sounds like fun.

Especially the linux part.

Did you flee from a country that was awful and move to somewhere in Europe?

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

I have down-voted this because in a worst case scenario, they should move to a less appealing version of Linux, like Arch

(waiting for my down-votes)

yggstyle , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

As a reminder this was the go-to play for Facebook when they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Default it off until nobody’s looking and change it slightly so it was named ‘differently’ and on it went again.

nutsack , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

it isn’t a nightmare for them. they will be fine. they normalize everything they do

Kroxx ,

Yeah like I hate Microsoft, I am migrating to Linux, and the things I read about recall were pretty fucking horrifying to me. At the end of the day though the general public doesn’t give two shits about tech other than it works out of the box.

Tja ,

I use Arch since 2009 (BTW), but I think I’m planted in reality enough to know that the average user not only doesn’t care, hasn’t even heard about it. This will not even move the needle regarding usage.

mechoman444 , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

I’ve been researching wine and proton for Linux. Fuck windows! The only reason I still use it is for gaming but if wine works as advertised I’ll be switching to Linux.

AstralPath ,

Add Lutris to that list. If anything doesn’t work in WINE, try installing via Lutris. My AxeFX’s GUI now works flawlessly thanks to an older version of WINE running in Lutris.

chronicledmonocle ,

As someone who made the leap, I haven’t booted Windows in months. Proton, Steam, and Lutris cover basically everything I play.

halowpeano ,

We’re you already familiar with Linux or follow a guide? Lot of products I’m not familiar with there.

chronicledmonocle ,

Proton is the compatibility layer to run Windows games on Steam. Lutris is an app that lets you run non-Steam games in a similar manner.

I didn’t really follow a guide. I mostly started by dual booting Linux and seeing what worked.

blahsay , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Windows 10 will be the last I work on. I work in tech and won’t accept 11 as a work environment either.

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