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  • SpaceCowboy , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Oh… Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft.

    A friend of mine tried one of their “special offers” he nearly got himself lobotomized!

    n0m4n , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    As much as I liked Visual Studio, its privacy intrusiveness was my final straw.

    JigglySackles , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    Too little too late, I’m not getting any more versions of windows.

    JasonDJ , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    You know what would be a nice thing to put into windows?

    A fucking decent way to search for files.

    Also, grep and tail, as implemented in Linux. It’s 2024 and there’s no native equivalent to tail -f *.log. How embarrassing.

    Tamo240 ,
    
    <span style="color:#323232;">Get-Content <path> -wait
    </span>
    

    Or do you mean in cmd not powershell?

    JasonDJ ,

    IME this doesn’t work for multiple files. Not nearly as well as tail -f *.

    Plenty of times I’m troubleshooting something without knowing which log file I should pay attention to. So watching everything happen in realtime with the error helps, a ton.

    explodicle ,

    Windows Search used to be awesome, and then they decided to over-complicate it.

    grrgyle ,

    I distinctly remember that once it has indexed everything, it was pretty fast, yeah. Back in the 00s anyway

    letsgo ,

    I doubt the majority of MS users need to tail a log file. And of those of us that do, how many don’t know that Notepad++ does it?

    e8d79 ,

    File search is really awful on windows for no reason at all. Your complaints about commandline utilities is not accurate though. Windows has native powershell equivalents to both grepand tail. You use https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.utility/select-string?view=powershell-7.4 instead of grep and https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.management/get-content?view=powershell-7.4#-wait instead of tail.

    JasonDJ ,

    IME Get-Content doesn’t work for multiple files. Unless maybe I put it in a foreach loop or something. But that’s way more keystrokes then tail -f *

    e8d79 ,

    Nobody ever accused powershell of being concise. Its uses a completely different philosophy, object oriented rather than string based. This makes powershell nicer to write scripts in but also makes it worse at bash style one-liner commands.

    snailfact ,

    get listary it’s freemium (i use free version forever and it works fine) you can search by double tapping control and it instantly gives you the files you search for

    joe_cool ,

    Get everything: www.voidtools.com (the alpha version can also index the content of files). It’s search is instant. As in < 1 second for any file on any of your harddisks (even ones not connected right now).

    For base linux cmdline tools I just install Git for Windows it includes tail, sed, grep, tee, iconv, less, scp and tons more. I need git anyways so win-win.

    elucubra ,

    I do small business support. Everytime I do a windows install I do a ninite install of a bunch of things. Everything is always in the set. The fucntionality should have been in windows since NTFS was introduced

    joe_cool ,

    Yeah, even XP had Rover, the search dog.

    Ninite and Chocolatey helps a bit. But then you get to the point where there is no automation for a start menu entry for some packages. It’s a bit of a mess.

    A colleague installed Python from the MS Store on Windows 11 it messed up all python software, PyCharm, the other python versions and some file associations. Quite a mess.

    oo1 ,
    MacNCheezus ,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    Have you heard of WSL?

    grrgyle ,

    As someone who does product dev support, unfortunately I have.

    retrospectology , (edited )
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    You can do a commandline “dir /s *.log” to search an entire directory it works better than the normal file search generally. Unless I misunderstand what you’re asking.

    grrgyle ,

    -f follows the file so you can see updates as they come in to the bottom of the file. I wasn’t aware this worked with globs, but that’s neat.

    Is that what /s does? I haven’t used Windows in years.

    retrospectology ,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, perhaps not. I may’ve just understood how you’re using the search. /s is just a straight search if the directory, I don’t know that it can be used to generate dynamic results like that. Go figure.

    VirtualOdour ,

    Isn’t that one of the things this does? It was in the advert wasn’t it?

    EmperorHenry , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    you can use O&O shutup10++ to disable recall now

    JustARegularNerd ,

    The fact that we need a third party program to make our computer respect our privacy should say it all for Windows.

    EmperorHenry ,
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    You still need to configure things in every linux distro to make it work. And apple doesn’t allow you to configure anything that matters at all

    jaschen , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    Um… I actually want this feature. Maybe if its FOSS and I own the data. But the idea is amazing.

    piecat ,

    It’s like some of the Pokemon games where it tells you what you did. Seriously amazing, but yeah needs to be FOSS and secure.

    jaschen ,

    Then be able to query it. That would be amazing.

    palordrolap ,

    Borrowing from something I saw elsewhere: Set up a task / cron job / whatever it is on your OS that takes a full screenshot every minute and then sends it to Microsoft's AI team.

    Or save it to a drive or something, I'm not the boss here. And neither is Microsoft.

    BigDiction ,

    What would you use this feature for?

    jaschen ,

    It takes images of your screen and stores it with context and then you can query it. Images, text, graphs, etc.

    “Hey, I was working on an automation for my home assistant and it stopped working. I had an automation that worked about 6 months ago. Can you pull that automation up and show me”

    “My boss showed me a slide about a month ago talking about the TPS report, can you pull that up and show me that slide deck?”

    The use case is endless.

    Hadriscus ,

    Screencap and screencapture programs have existed forever, just use any, it’s not a new idea

    jaschen ,

    I think you misunderstand what Recall actually does. It takes images of your screen and then you can query it. Images, text, graphs, etc.

    “Hey, I was working on an automation for my home assistant and it stopped working. I had an automation that worked about 6 months ago. Can you pull that automation up and show me”

    “My boss showed me a slide about a month ago talking about the TPS report, can you pull that up and show me that slide deck?”

    The use case is endless.

    Hadriscus ,

    Oh my… Ok right I didn’t realize the extent of it. It’s a total nightmare

    jaschen ,

    Well, supposedly the data is stored locally. Like I said. It’s a good idea. I wouldn’t mind a FOSS version.

    werefreeatlast , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    So it will use AI to auto detect penises to prevent embarrassing video recordings.

    FilthyCheese ,

    Time to get a wiggly, wobbly dick cursors.

    MidnightBanjo , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    I feel like not wanting to do the work for certain Steam games is what keeps me on windows for my personal use (work makes the decision on my work machine).

    I know it’s possible, I just don’t want to do the work

    toynbee ,

    No judgement for your choices, but just so you know, it’s basically no work for the majority of games.

    univers3man ,

    With the exception of any major games that have anti-cheat. I miss League of Legends.

    toynbee ,

    Yeah, anti-cheat and the Ubisoft launcher have been the only consistent obstacles. protondb.com is a fantastic resource, though.

    I’m not a fan of LoL, so I can’t say from personal experience, but it looks like PlayOnLinux claims to support it. Hope you find your joy!

    drislands ,

    I wouldn’t say “any” major games. Helldivers 2 is a notable exception.

    toynbee ,

    I’ve played Helldivers 2 with no obstacles and no additional setup.

    drislands ,

    That’s what I’m saying. It has anticheat, and it runs on Linux without issue.

    toynbee ,

    Ah, I apologize. I definitely was not fully awake when I read your original comment.

    drislands ,

    No worries, I may have just been unclear considering multiple people appear to have downvoted my comment.

    MidnightBanjo ,

    Good to know. I know wine can get steam going (assuming you don’t just use the Linux version). How do you get steam to download and install the game if it says it’s the wrong operating system? Sorry if that’s a dumb question

    toynbee ,

    Your question isn’t dumb. You just haven’t been exposed to the environment. Please feel free to ask any question about this you have and, if I don’t answer, someone else probably will.

    If you install the Linux version of Steam, it should allow you to download any game. There’s a checkbox in the Steam settings that says something like “run non compatible games through proton” (not what it says, but the general sentiment). Checking that and restarting Steam once is the extent of the setup required; after that, it’s essentially the same process as running a game in Windows (with the few exceptions mentioned by another commenter). Non Steam games should be able to be run by Lutris, PlayOnLinux or adding a non Steam game to Steam, but I mostly haven’t done that myself so I can’t vouch for it. Sincerely, for most games, it’s an easy process.

    I’m no expert, but if you decide to pursue this and get stuck, please feel free to reach out to me and I’ll do my best to help. The link below seems like a good starting point: geekflare.com/install-steam-on-linux/

    MidnightBanjo ,

    Thanks, I appreciate the advice and kind attitude. I’ll check it out

    sfxrlz ,

    How is it for racing sims ? Last time I checked it didn’t look too good in terms of wheel drivers and games running ootb on Linux, or did I just not look in the right places?

    toynbee , (edited )

    I’m sorry, as much as I’d love to, I don’t have an answer to this.

    edit: corrected a word.

    sfxrlz ,

    No worries, I had already given up on it for now I was just curious if someone could convince me to fully switch, or rather point me towards some open source projects I could use. Right now I boot into win11 for gaming and into fedora for everything else. Thanks anyway!

    patatahooligan ,
    @patatahooligan@lemmy.world avatar

    Go to protondb.com and search for the games you’re interested in. If your profile is public, I think you can import your entire library and browse through it instead of manually searching for each individual game. Ideally you want “platinum” compatibility but I’ve personally never had problems with “gold” games either.

    Cosmicomical , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    I don’t want to be the guy that always says Linux, but… …Linux

    dumpsterlid ,

    It is okay to be the person that always recommends Linux, especially if you are a kind person with the patience to explain things to people in approachable terms (and you don’t just scream at people SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH whenever a newbie walks in the door and asks the obvious questions a newbie would ask).

    Now is the time, Linux is pulled up out front waiting to pick us up (with bags packed) and Microsoft is loudly shitting the bed upstairs, NOW is the time to walk straight out the front door, jump in the car with Linux and never look back. We owe it to Microsoft’s long relationship with consumers to leave Microsoft sitting confused on the porcelain throne wondering why they were abandoned and where all the toilet paper is (we are the toilet paper in this metaphor).

    FilthyCheese ,

    Most people aren’t going to bother when the specific software they want to use aren’t supported.

    explodicle ,

    Microsoft has been relying on that for >20 years now and it’s starting to show signs of strain.

    FilthyCheese ,

    I’ve heard this before.

    explodicle ,

    So you don’t think there’s a straw breaking the camel’s back?

    FilthyCheese ,

    I think people are happy to eat shit. They’ll complain about it, sure. But they’ll slurp it up like ice cream.

    Otherwise, MTX heavy games wouldn’t be rewarded so heavily.

    Early on, you’ll see some movement. Some people will transfer to Linux - most will go back. A bunch of outraged threads.

    But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

    I understand the frustration and cynicism that comes from wanting something to happen and waiting a good stretch of your life for it to do so but I am sorry, this is not reflective of reality.

    Don’t mistake your own fatigue for the behavior of people in general.

    Support for software on Linux or Wine is now orders of magnitude more complete and functional than it was 5-10 years ago. There are fundamental changes going on, just because we operated in a paradigm that suffocated the possibility of Linux adoption in the past doesn’t mean that paradigm will continue indefinitely.

    There is a difference between being permanently powerless and being powerless under a certain arrangement of forces and actors.

    We are entering a period of the status quo being smashed for better or worse in almost every dimension of our lives, what was likely to happen in the past 20 years does not reliably predict what is likely to happen in the next 20 years.

    There is actually a true opening for Linux here in a way there never has been.

    Cosmicomical ,

    Well they said the same about AI and at some point it became true enough to be a problem

    FilthyCheese ,

    I’m trying to see a correlation.

    Cosmicomical ,

    True but there is less and less stuff that you cannot do properly on linux.

    dumpsterlid ,

    I mean… how big really is the category of software tasks that you can’t properly do on Linux in 2024? I feel like it is getting to the point where you do genuinely have to be specific about what Linux can’t do that is a dealbreaker for you rather than just falling back on “Linux can’t do what people need to do” as a general criticism of it.

    Windows can’t do what people need it to do, and it fails to do so while sucking up your private data (which if you work at a business with confidential information IS a dealbreaker). At least when Linux fails it usually isn’t simultaneously violating the IT security structure of your organization….

    The funny thing is businesses and government entities can’t even claim with a straight face that they can trust Microsoft to adhere to the meager insufficient data privacy laws that do exist when there is zero evidence Microsoft would behave that way based on the track record even if the financial penalties for failing to do so were actually real to the ruling class and not just theoretical thought experiments that involve a slap on the wrist or more like a light tickling with a feather on the nose.

    Cosmicomical ,

    Oh i totally agree with you. I have a feeling that the only real obstacle on the way out from windows is proprietary software, especially adobe and some custom apps for specific hardware.

    Cosmicomical ,

    SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH

    I don’t understand this approach, if you don’t want to answer, just don’t answer. Why would you waste time writing that you won’t answer?

    Sawzall ,

    I will not answer this. Just search.

    Cosmicomical ,

    I thought you were a search engine.

    piecat ,

    HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T "

    Then

    history | grep -i “09/06/2024”

    I_Miss_Daniel ,

    Yeah but there’s like 20 of them, and many are half-baked. How is a n00b to choose one?

    Cosmicomical ,

    Ubuntu is fine for all uses, and so are some of the others

    I_Miss_Daniel ,

    Not sure about that. They try to get you to sign up for services, and they deliberately broke something with installing from certain file types.

    Cosmicomical ,

    It’s still perfectly functional and easy to use, just say no if they ask you to sign up to a service, if you come from windows you’ll ve surprised of how easy it is to dismiss those offers

    NutWrench , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
    @NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

    The switch to Linux will have to come from the bottom up. Corporations will NOT switch until Microsoft costs them serious money.

    mypasswordis1234 , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
    @mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

    TL;DR:

    • Windows Recall, part of Microsoft’s new Copilot+ PC initiative, has sparked major privacy and security concerns.
    • The feature uses AI to capture and store screen data locally, allowing users to search for past activities using natural language.
    • Despite assurances that data is not uploaded to the cloud or used by Microsoft, user trust is lacking.
    • Microsoft has a history of practices that have eroded user trust, including obtrusive ads, ignoring user preferences, and requiring Microsoft Accounts.
    • Users are skeptical, fearing future misuse of the collected data for advertising or AI training.
    • Windows Recall reportedly stores data unencrypted, making it vulnerable to access by third-party apps and potential malware.
    • The open nature of Windows amplifies these risks, unlike more secure systems like iOS and Android.
    • Users have compared Windows Recall to spyware, with many threatening to switch to other operating systems like Linux or Mac.
    • Microsoft’s attempts to keep the development of Windows Recall secret did not help build trust.
    • Windows Recall will only be available on new Copilot+ PCs, requiring specific hardware not present in existing PCs.
    • Users will have the option to disable the feature, but there are concerns about it being enabled by default.
    • Despite security issues, the feature is effective in helping users find lost or forgotten data.
    • It could improve productivity if trust and security concerns are resolved.
    Epzillon ,

    Windows Recall does NOT require NPU hardware to run. Currently Recall has been tested on Windows 11 with only a CPU and it seems to be fully operational. Of course performance is not as good as with an NPU. I believe Microsoft will try to push AI to local computing by only enabling on computers with NPUs to begin with. In the future it will most likely be able to be enabled on PCs which does not have an NPU but with a warning of bad performance in front of it.

    secret300 ,

    In the future most CPU’s will prolly have an NPU built in. We already seeing it with ryzen

    NutWrench , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
    @NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

    I finally switched to Linux Mint a week ago. I’ve just had enough of Microsoft and I couldn’t think of any more reasons why I shouldn’t switch.

    I’ve got Libre Office for all my productivity needs. All my Steam games work under Linux. My VPN works just fine. Firefox for web browsing. Thunderbird for email. And Wine to run those 1-2 Windows programs that I just can’t do without.

    mypasswordis1234 ,
    @mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

    You might try OnlyOffice 😄

    bluewing ,

    Hey, I replace LibreOffice on my Linux installs every time with OnlyOffice. I don’t really need a full up office suite anymore. And I find OnlyOffice is a bit simpler and easier to use. But it’s not for everybody.

    Plus, it keeps me away from trusting Google Docs…

    secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

    There’s no reason to run Windows unless there’s specific software that won’t run in a virtual highly contained environment of Windows within Linux.

    Friends don’t let friends use windows.

    joe_cool ,

    vpn with network manager is amazing. All my client’s vpn solutions just work. On windows I needed 5-6 different vpn clients that bluescreen each other on Linux I need zero proprietary software.

    constantokra ,

    Wireguard with systemd is even better. You set it up and then literally never touch it again.

    werefreeatlast , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    Probably not only for Mucroshit. The industry as a whole is intrusive. Soon there won’t be a single place to run to between our home, our place of work, and everything in between. Churches, parks, roads everything is just micro spying on us constantly.

    Sparkles , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
    @Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

    Yeah I don’t know what to do with this. I’m about to start to start wfh and handle a lot of data that cannot be shared and comes with big fines for mishandling. I have to have office, mainly excel. Is Apple my only option? I know Linux exists, but I’m not a power user, I struggle with my printer.

    Randelung ,

    I would recommend a VM to try a few things. HyperV, while not the greatest, is good to start off and comes with Windows Pro. Set up a Debian or Ubuntu and a Windows VM and take away its internet. That should get you most of the way.

    seanziepples ,

    Is your company not providing you a computer? It’s up to them to manage that risk.

    Sparkles ,
    @Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

    I am going wfh and I have to use their one drive to access client data. They will provide a computer, but versus my home setup it’s simply not worth it. I saw the idea about virtual windows and Linux machine. I’ve never done it but I imagine I can with some trial and error. But I’m wondering if even that is safe.

    seanziepples ,

    What do you mean it’s not worth it? If you use the company’s computer it’s on them to handle all the liability. If you use your own computer then you’re now on the hook. It is 100% worth it to use the company-provided computer.

    Sparkles ,
    @Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

    Basically, they provide a decent Chromebook. It’s nearly impossible given the actual tasks. So I need to find a better way.

    seanziepples ,

    That’s not on you. I would communicate with management and illustrate that you can’t do your job without a proper computer. If they refuse to help, get it in writing. You should not be held accountable.

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