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kamen , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

The sad thing is that this happens because someone forces them to comply and not out of principle.

sockenklaus ,
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Why would they though and out of which which principle? Microsoft’s principle is “generate as much profit as possible without antagonizing customers to much”. Microsoft is, at its core, a profit driven business and not a business driven by ethics.

OrangeJoe ,

So… It’s a business

sockenklaus ,
@sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works avatar

Err basically yes. In my head there’s a difference between “business driven by profit” and “business driven by ethics”, but maybe that’s because English is not my first language.

Matriks404 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Does this also mean Google will let me uninstall Chrome from my Android device? Or is this only about PC’s?

MashedTech ,

I hope we will get there too. Be able to fully install and uninstall Google services.

deaf_fish ,

I hope the ability to install whatever OS on your phone that you want will become mandated and the default for all cell phones.

daYMAN007 ,

Even if this was allowed. Surely most apps wont run anymore in the name of security

ICastFist ,
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Not really, most OS for phones are android based anyway. Having the choice of an ungoogled android is always a plus, much like many people just want an ungoogled chrome

BearOfaTime ,

This is unenforceable really. Android is a monolithic OS, it’s very architecture would have to be reengineered, and then phone manufacturers would have to design their system drivers to be independent and distributable.

Windows is modular, this comes from the standard BIOS that came out of the bios wars in the 80’s. Having a standard hardware interface enables this.

Phones don’t have this.

gh0stcassette ,
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No it’s not, just mandate unlocked or user-unlockable bootloaders, the open source Android dev community will do the rest. There would be degoogled custom ROMs and full linux (eg Ubuntu touch, postmarketOS, etc.) ports for every reasonably popular device within months.

RaoulDook ,

You can already do that if you buy a phone that is compatible with LineageOS or other open source ROMs.

nudnyekscentryk ,
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I think their point was that all manufacturers should be forced to allow that

RaoulDook ,

Well that would be nice of course, but won’t ever happen because manufacturers are all over the world and there’s no global law or regulation that could enforce that as a requirement.

What I suggested is still the current best option consumers have.

ICastFist ,
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Globally, it’s impossible to force a company to do anything. But, with key markets forcing manufactures to comply, most companies decide to go the “well, i’ll make it so for everyone then” route, as it can be cheaper in the long run.

viking ,
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Chrome browser? I could uninstall that right away.

scrooge101 ,

That’s already possible either by using a custom ROM or by connecting to a PC and using adb.

SasquatchBanana ,

We shouldn’t have to rely on 3rd parties for that.

wookiepedia ,

ADB is very much 1st party.

histic ,

Android debug bridge very 3rd party /s

thorbot , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Hell has truly frozen over. I guarantee that uninstalling edge will break something else in Windows

BearOfaTime ,

It does.

It breaks URLs/URIs in OneNote. Its fixable, so it’s clearly the fault of the uninstaller.

The reg key for the default html handler is wiped.

Ibaudia ,
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[insert Linux shilling about no registry and text file configs being good]

TCB13 ,
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It won’t. System components / apps use the edge webview 2 runtime that is a separate component from the Edge browser itself.

Armand1 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I live in the UK, and because of Brexit we won’t get this. Thanks Nigel Farage.

HowManyNimons ,

I expect that it’s because we’re not in the EU that measures like this can be passed there. Maybe in 10-20 years time we can rejoin an EU massively improved by our absence.

jabjoe ,
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Not true. There has been big moment against the MS monoply by the EU, pre-Brexit. Truth is, the UK hasn’t been powerful enough to stop these large antitrust cases for a long time. Brexit or not.

…m.wikipedia.org/…/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission

Agent641 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Does Linux let you disable its system-embedded advertisements? Didn’t think so!

ItsMeSpez ,

I just wish it would stop showing me ads for Linus’ Only Fans. Like, I already subbed, please go away.

BrownianMotion ,
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It does.

sudo pro config set apt_news=false and sudo truncate -s0 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf

But I feel sorry for you if you are still using Ubuntu at this point.

phoenixz ,

Why?

elbarto777 ,

Which flavor?

netchami , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

You should still switch to Linux.

Blackmist , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Will they?

Or will you just be able to hide them?

stringere ,

Start menu, search suggestions from the start menu. They can be disabled/hidden from view so you may have done so while customizing Windows?

crackajack , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

What is the point of Microsoft keeping Edge when most people avoid it?

JuanR ,

How are you going to download Chrome?

MycelialMass ,

Did you mean Firefox?

Sixner ,

What is the general consensus on Opera these days?

this_1_is_mine ,

Its chrome.

joker125 ,

Imagine browser privacy concerns somehow being worse than chrome.

this_1_is_mine ,

Without installing things like red star os first.

JoeKis ,

Chinese spying device

ForgotAboutDre ,

Enough don’t avoid it.

It allows them to scrap more data and push their web services. It also gives them leverage in web standards completion. The have a browser and user base that they can diverge from chrome.

With the revelations coming out due to the court cases. Microsoft might be (or at least aiming to) get a cut of Google revenue like apple gets for safari users. Google is probably very happy that edge (which is 99% chrome) is the default in most desktops.

TooManyGames ,

I usually use Firefox, but sometimes a website won’t work on it, for example so web apps like Adobe Express just refuse to work. In these cases I use Edge, not Chrome anymore. Between the two, Edge has better privacy and has some really nice features. It also works better with my work stuff thanks to integration with 365.

What I’m going with this is that there’s definitely a user base for Edge. Between it and Chrome, I’d go with Edge any day. Firefox still beats both though.

azurefirefly , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

All for a $12 a month subscription!

TangledHyphae , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I wonder if this affects any of the telemetry systems they use to send user data back to the mothership (Microsoft servers)? I haven’t looked into it in a while but there used to be a powershell script to disable a lot of it in the registry.

vxx , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I always hear people complaining about ads on their win 11 and it confuses me, as I’ve never seen a single ad in my win 11 install.

In what section are the ads showing up?

morrowind OP ,
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On the widgets board and the news app. It’s shown up in occasional other locations

vxx ,

I use the News app only on accident sometimes, so I’m not certain about that. There has definitely never been an ad on my widget board. Are there any differences in Win 11 Pro to other versions?

I also paid like 18€ for a key and did a fresh install instead of an upgrade if that makes any difference.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I also paid like 18€ for a key and did a fresh install instead of an upgrade if that makes any difference.

It’s possible. Straight out of the box, computers and laptops tend to come with all sort of bloatware, both Microsoft’s own and the vendor’s.

The start menu in win10 was the main place to see ads, but anyone with minor computer knowledge could turn it off.

vbb , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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is EU based or something

Tattorack ,
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Uh… Yes. Yes we are.

Smacks , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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Now there will be two versions of Windows. One that adheres to EU regulation, and another that’s filled with ads for everyone else.

Emerald ,
HiddenLayer5 ,

Windows 12 Euro Trash Edition and Windows 12 Red Blooded God Anointed American Edition. If either crosses the EU boarder the computer will explode killing everyone in a 10 meter radius.

Syringe ,

I feel like that might also violate some regulations

clutch ,

Yes, American munitions export controls

Chadus_Maximus ,

Alright. What about Windows 12: European cringe edition?

hushable ,

regulations that stifle innovation baby 😎

Honytawk ,

And the Geneva convention

phoneymouse ,

It’ll be one version, they’ll just force certain “features” on you based on the region you’re in as determined by your system time, GPS location, or IP address

pirat ,

system time, GPS location, or IP address

They can all easily be spoofed or changed.

MonkderZweite , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

…what happened? Did someone in upper management realize, it would be more expensive to suck?

MashedTech ,

No, it’s because it the EU

MonkderZweite ,

What i said.

deaf_fish ,

No, it’s regulations. Companies are too dumb to save themselves. That’s why they need to get bailed out every once in a while.

lud ,

I think they meant that the fines would be too expensive so they complied.

WashedOver , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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It seems in some cases when it comes to protecting you from industry practices can only be handled by government agencies.

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