The statement was that Jewish people would not be safe anywhere without Israel
There are Jewish people living safely in many parts of the world, and those people are protected and loved by the communities they live as a part of.
The irony is that the statement was made to Jewish people in such a community outside of Israel. The other bit of irony is that statements like this are further divisions. Divisions that make life unsafe for everyone
There are millions of Jews in Israel (or their children), right now, who are there because they were forcibly expelled from other Arab countries in the Middle East.
Why do you think there's a 3000 year old synagogue in Aleppo, and only around four Jews in all of Syria?
So what, my ancestors built a brick house in Minnesota 180 years ago and its still there, I live in Califoria. Also did the Jews even exist as an identity back 3000 years ago? Pretty sure they had just barely split from the cananites by that point and were still largely isolated to the southern mountains.
I would like to bring a counter point for you to consider.
When I put all my money in a bank, I have a guaranty from a regulatory body /government that in case of bankruptcy I will still get my money back, even if the bank goes bust.
This is similar for Jews around the world - Israel is an insurance policy. If your local country starts leaning towards fascism and looking for a scapegoat (which is usually Jews), then you’d have the option to go to Israel immediately. Because historically they’ve seen and still see how refugees are being treated and not welcome globally.
If your local country starts leaning towards fascism and looking for a scapegoat (which is usually Jews), then you’d have the option to go to Israel immediately.
That’s a great plan, since Jews are completely safe and definitely not in any danger in Israel.
I didn’t say it’s a great plan. But it’s better than no plan.
I don’t understand all the down votes. You don’t have to agree with it, it doesn’t even mean that I agree with it… But I just wanted to shine some context to why it’s not ironic to many Jews.
I read this more as “Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to trap themselves in what was likely to be a performative thread of anti-Palestinian questions from one of Congress’s most shameless clown-people (Elise Stefanik).”
To be clear, from the article itself:
The university leaders all personally criticized anti-Israel activism.
On second thought, it may not have even been anti-Palestinian per se, but rather more careless exploitation in pursuit of CRT-adjacent nonsense.
Some Republicans sought to paint campus antisemitism as a product of universities embracing “the race-based ideology of the radical left,”
“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”
You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.
“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”
From the article…
In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”
Not saying that the IDF is right on this one, at all, but all armies have aholes in them who do crap like this.
So they quick way out of reserve service is to just film yourself committing war crimes? That seems like a reward not a punishment. They should be in prison, not at home
According to reports in several Israeli media, the United States is part of a last-ditch diplomatic effort to prevent the International Criminal Court from issuing arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials.
The US, which, like Israel, is not among the 124 countries that signed the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, is already engaged in the effort to block the arrest warrants, according to Harel.
According to reports in several Israeli media, the United States is part of a last-ditch diplomatic effort to prevent the International Criminal Court from issuing arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials.
I saw that and I wanted to know what exactly the role of Biden or any other whitehouse staff was so I read the rest of the article which said
Netanyahu is leading a “nonstop push over the telephone” to prevent an arrest warrant, focused especially on the administration of US President Joe Biden, Caspit writes.
So the entirety of the involvement according to this publication which says they are involved is that Netanyahu is calling “nonstop” to try to get them to intervene in an organization that they themselves haven’t signed on to? Sure sounds like a lot of involvement at this moment.
Too bad neither Israel nor the US are member of the ICC. That gives them far less leverage, even though they will likely put pressure on some weaker members of the ICC.
Given the country’s past, they’re now so incredibly averse to anything that could even be vaguely construed as criticism of jewish identity and sovereignty (by the Israeli government) that they will bend over backwards to defend all sorts of nonsense.
There’s a bunch of pro Palestinian accounts that all only post comments about the war and joined about the same time (not at Reddit API influx). The mods should ban clear propaganda accounts
I think mods should ban any account that argues points without reputable sources to back their claims. The amount of “they bombed hospitals” without evidence is pretty staggering.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Is them being arabic-speaking muslims that makes their horrible deaths acceptable in your eyes, even while the deaths of jewish hebrew speaking children are not?!
It’s really hard to see any other reason than the most disgustingly extreme psychopatic racism for somebody to justify the horrible murder of children using the murder of other children by people whose only relation is being from the same ethnic group.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Literally everyone thinks some kinds of deaths are better than others. Dying slowly and painfully due to someone’s maliciousness is generally considered among the worst.
You’re weird for trying to make this some sort of gotcha.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder, to the point of using one to justify the other in an argument genuinelly believing other human beings will be swayed by that.
People in the normal human range within the sociopathy spectrum neither think “an eye for an eye” applies to the murdering of children - no matter the method used - nor think other people can be swayed to accept child murder by pointing out that child murders were commited by people only related to the former children by etnicity.
In fact normal people don’t even think one kind of child murder justifies the other kind of child murder even when the latter children have direct family relations to the murderers of the former.
You need to be quite the sociopath to merelly think somebody murdering children justifies killing their kids, and you need to be extremelly sociopathic to think somebody murdering children justifies killing kids of the same etnic group.
People whose psychological makeup is such that they trully believe child murder justifies child murder and, worse, that others think the same, need professional help, deseperatelly so.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder,
A) this is quite incorrect
But more importantly
B) I never said anything justified anything
Perhaps engage with just a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith
And I’m pretty sure you don’t and also that it’s irrelevant given your options are hyperbole with one being almost benign and the other literally Fargo when those aren’t the options here nor are they what is happening in Gaza.
Again actual gaslighting with misogyny and the assumption I’m female. Love it. Point blank your argument is so shitty you can’t defend it, not won’t but literally can’t.
Good luck with the douchebag routine, maybe a read a book instead of trying and failing to stroke your ego.
Yes yes, my hand messes up because it’s going paralyzed, we went over this but at least this time your mocking something real and not inexpert opinion from an asshole.
Yeah being murdered with a hoe is definitely worse.
I actually brought this up with my elderly father at Thanksgiving lol. He thought it was hilarious that you went so berserk over it, and we came up with some of my comments together.
It was actually a really sweet little moment. I’m thankful for you.
So you’re just as much of a sad shitty person in real life, neat brag. No one has gone berserk I’m persistent, someone is running away and it certainly isn’t me.
I imagine none of it actually happened so sure, whatever you need bud.
Back to your shitty argument so if the the person bombed is beheaded by explosive is that than equal to or greater than this theoretical hoe beheading.
It’s weird to me that you value one human life over another. How many lives is a hoe beheading worth? Two, three? Ten? Because we’re at about 10x as many civilians casualties in Gaza. How many until Israel breaks even?
Similarly death by building, or explosive dismemberment notoriously not fast or painless.
That’s quite literally what you’re doing right now, we’re actively discussing it. I’m bad at math but goddamn homie you’d figure the guy on the high horse could figure out 1+1=2.
You want me to quote to you something that is two comments above this one? Egomaniacal and lazy, neat combo no wonder research is so difficult for you.
Again those weren’t the options bud, the comment you responded to specifically says slow and painful. You gloss over that fact because… You’re a bigot.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
That’s because it a dumb bit of hyperbole from a loon that doesn’t understand how human bodies function.
Edit: but even still, us disagreeing on which is a worse death is not at all a discussion about the value of the life being taken. Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
That you think it is being discussed, and went so insane about it, is embarrassing. As I said before.
Ah another “crazy” person, everyone you deal with seems to be crazy huh? It’s not that maybe you’re a bigot. It’s not hyperbole, those things have objectively happened in Gaza during the conflict, Israel doesn’t deny it why do you.
It absolutely is, you were given two horrific examples of death and chose one over the other that’s giving them values.
relative worth, utility, or importance.
Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
It absolutely is being discussed, you just don’t see it because to do so would mean accepting that gazans are people not terrorists.
Again, bigoted insults, I do enjoy how easy you’re making proving your bigotry. What’s next another joke about my disability?
There are plenty of good ways to die. My daughter’s grandpa on her mom’s side got to choose how to pass and it was beautiful, surrounded by loved ones.
It would be great if we all got to make a choice and have it be easy.
Sounds like we agree on something, bigots do tend to be very petty people. I imagine so, bud but that’s not a metric of who will speak last. There’s no timelimit on response bud.
You’re a bigot at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.
Yes yes, because things I can show objectively are in my head. You want to try that again but be logical and make sense? No no, what you did was assume that being crushed by a building is painless and not terror inducing because you don’t value Palestinian life given your comments thus far.
You were given a situation. Ie. Crushed slowly under a building or beheaded by hoe and decided one is more valuable than the other. Words matter, context matters, actions matter and all of yours point to a bigoted outlook which is why you seem to equate Palestinians as terrorists, not people.
That’s not an explanation bud that’s a very obvious very pathetic dodge. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say you won’t explain it because it’s almost certainly very bigoted.
Then you’d be committing an ethical violation in calling me insane without physical observation. Guaranteed you are not a medical professional, I’m willing to bet you’re an actual factual child.
That’s your opinion Bud it’s also shitty deflection but do go on, the more you insist I’m crazy and refuse to stand by your argument the weaker you argument becomes.
It really hasn’t, it’s generic un geolocated video yet again and Israel is known to fake video. At the same time it’s not at all proof of their nonsense claims.
Its bullshit, we deserve more choice and better choices. Unfortunately, the reality is its probably going to end in Biden v Trump. My choice is easy in that regard.
Listen, I dont want bombs falling anywhere. I don’t like what Israel is doing in Gaza at all. If I could I would summon the strength of Hercules and the wisdom of Solomon to put an end to this. But I can’t I’m a human. The most I can do right now is assist the nation with the most powerful military in the world with not electing a dictator. I can’t produce a miracle and make some unknown 3rd candidate win. And if you think Trump would be nicer to Palestinians, I got some news for you. What an incredibly disingenuous statement.
You could act like you care about the genocide atleast. You could also stop acting like Trump is any worse than any of the other Republican presidents, going back to atleast Nixon.
Do you see any other choices in this instance of our current election cycle? Do you see any other possible candidates that will continue to support Ukraine AND offer to pull support from Israel while also maintaining the possibility of an electoral victory? If you do see a US presidential candidate with these prerequisites please inform me immediately so that I may vote for them. Until then, Biden unfortunately holds my vote.
You called me callous dude. You came in here swinging. All I said was if I have to vote between a dictator and a zionists that I am sorry but I have to choose the zionist. If that upsets you, good. We need to do better. But to attack me over it? Get a life.
You could act like you care about the genocide atleast. You could also stop acting like Trump is any worse than any of the other Republican presidents, going back to atleast Nixon.
I dont want bombs falling anywhere. I don’t like what Israel is doing in Gaza at all. If I could I would summon the strength of Hercules and the wisdom of Solomon to put an end to this.
Would you? Republicans will let Russia eat Ukraine. This discussion isn’t a disccusion you’re just angry because I said I’d vote for Biden. I’m out. Free Palestine, Slava Ukraine, fuck Trump, and fuck u/brain_in_a_box.
Don’t pretend to give a shit about genocide and then start making a pitch for Trump as if he’d be calling for a ceasefire.
“There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also; I don’t know,” Trump said. “You know, it’s not as obvious, but probably that’s it too. So sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends.”
And at the same time it’s totally plausible, that’s what makes it dangerous. No one knows who to believe and no UN forces want to get killed trying to keep things as fair as possible.
“No one knows who to believe” the statement there is for a reason. Killing Journalist and targeting their families, cutting communication is the reason.
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