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naturalgasbad OP , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel

“Were there no Israel, there wouldn’t be a Jew in the world who is safe,” says the president, to loud applause.

P1r4nha ,

while the belligerent actions of the country make every Jew inside and outside of Israel less safe.

xmunk ,

… to a bunch of Jews inside the United States.

None of whom realize the fucking irony.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Please explain the irony.

Asking for a friend.

shadysus , (edited )

The statement was that Jewish people would not be safe anywhere without Israel

There are Jewish people living safely in many parts of the world, and those people are protected and loved by the communities they live as a part of.

The irony is that the statement was made to Jewish people in such a community outside of Israel. The other bit of irony is that statements like this are further divisions. Divisions that make life unsafe for everyone

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Lmao yeah I see.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

There are millions of Jews in Israel (or their children), right now, who are there because they were forcibly expelled from other Arab countries in the Middle East.

Why do you think there's a 3000 year old synagogue in Aleppo, and only around four Jews in all of Syria?

vaultdweller013 ,

So what, my ancestors built a brick house in Minnesota 180 years ago and its still there, I live in Califoria. Also did the Jews even exist as an identity back 3000 years ago? Pretty sure they had just barely split from the cananites by that point and were still largely isolated to the southern mountains.

UrbonMaximus ,

I would like to bring a counter point for you to consider.

When I put all my money in a bank, I have a guaranty from a regulatory body /government that in case of bankruptcy I will still get my money back, even if the bank goes bust.

This is similar for Jews around the world - Israel is an insurance policy. If your local country starts leaning towards fascism and looking for a scapegoat (which is usually Jews), then you’d have the option to go to Israel immediately. Because historically they’ve seen and still see how refugees are being treated and not welcome globally.

voidMainVoid ,

If your local country starts leaning towards fascism and looking for a scapegoat (which is usually Jews), then you’d have the option to go to Israel immediately.

That’s a great plan, since Jews are completely safe and definitely not in any danger in Israel.

UrbonMaximus ,

I didn’t say it’s a great plan. But it’s better than no plan.

I don’t understand all the down votes. You don’t have to agree with it, it doesn’t even mean that I agree with it… But I just wanted to shine some context to why it’s not ironic to many Jews.

rodolfo ,

they do, oh sadly they do…

roguetrick ,

You'd think Bibi would've made it clear enough with this latest fiasco that clinging to a jingoist ideology is generally the opposite of safety.

voidMainVoid ,

What kind of moon logic is this?

ConstableJelly , (edited ) to news in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

I read this more as “Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to trap themselves in what was likely to be a performative thread of anti-Palestinian questions from one of Congress’s most shameless clown-people (Elise Stefanik).”

To be clear, from the article itself:

The university leaders all personally criticized anti-Israel activism.

On second thought, it may not have even been anti-Palestinian per se, but rather more careless exploitation in pursuit of CRT-adjacent nonsense.

Some Republicans sought to paint campus antisemitism as a product of universities embracing “the race-based ideology of the radical left,”

AphoticDev , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

From the article…

In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”

Not saying that the IDF is right on this one, at all, but all armies have aholes in them who do crap like this.

Maggoty ,

So they quick way out of reserve service is to just film yourself committing war crimes? That seems like a reward not a punishment. They should be in prison, not at home

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

So they quick way out of reserve service

I wasn’t speaking towards that.

I was calling someone out for falsely quoting something that wasn’t said.

Blackmist , to world in Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel

Well I’ve done some maths, and I’m pretty sure the IDF can kill the population of Gaza faster than Hamas can kill the population of Israel.

UnspecificGravity ,

That’s exactly what Hamas wants to see because that’s what gets Israeli to lose international support and prompts Arab nations to invade.

They don’t give a shit about the Palestinian people.

Blackmist ,

Not lost them a lot of international support so far, I’ll be honest.

While they may still be reeling from the loss of Bolivia, the people they do business with on a daily basis have picked their sides and stuck to it.

Riffz7 , to world in Israel, US said working to prevent ICC arrest warrant against Netanyahu

Nothing in the article says the US is doing anything. It just said Netanyahu is trying to convince the US to stop it

fawanen ,

To be fair, we all know the US is going to do everything in its power to protect zionists and their genocide.

Linkerbaan OP ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

According to reports in several Israeli media, the United States is part of a last-ditch diplomatic effort to prevent the International Criminal Court from issuing arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials.

The US, which, like Israel, is not among the 124 countries that signed the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, is already engaged in the effort to block the arrest warrants, according to Harel.

Riffz7 ,

According to reports in several Israeli media, the United States is part of a last-ditch diplomatic effort to prevent the International Criminal Court from issuing arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials.

I saw that and I wanted to know what exactly the role of Biden or any other whitehouse staff was so I read the rest of the article which said

Netanyahu is leading a “nonstop push over the telephone” to prevent an arrest warrant, focused especially on the administration of US President Joe Biden, Caspit writes.

So the entirety of the involvement according to this publication which says they are involved is that Netanyahu is calling “nonstop” to try to get them to intervene in an organization that they themselves haven’t signed on to? Sure sounds like a lot of involvement at this moment.

Linkerbaan OP ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The second paragraph I quoted does indicate that the US is currently actively involved

The US … is already engaged in the effort to block the arrest warrants, according to Harel.

thbb , to world in Israel, US said working to prevent ICC arrest warrant against Netanyahu

Too bad neither Israel nor the US are member of the ICC. That gives them far less leverage, even though they will likely put pressure on some weaker members of the ICC.

lolcatnip , to world in Germany says will intervene at The Hague on Israel’s behalf, blasts genocide charge

WTF, Germany.

jonne ,

I guess they’re the experts on genocide?

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“You call that a genocide‽”

On a serious note, the amount of countries that have committed genocide is a staggering amount.

Link to the Wikipedia page. Just a fair warning on it, it’s really fucking depressing and really long.

Doublepluskirk ,

Given the country’s past, they’re now so incredibly averse to anything that could even be vaguely construed as criticism of jewish identity and sovereignty (by the Israeli government) that they will bend over backwards to defend all sorts of nonsense.

Nythos ,

When you’re so anti-genocide you end up supporting a genocide

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/72c5a89c-6cdc-4140-9410-ac6100e3282b.png

TheBananaKing ,

They clearly just really love genocidal fascist bastards.

themeatbridge , to worldnews in Biden: I ‘didn’t ask for a ceasefire’ in today’s ‘private conversation’ with Netanyahu

"Honestly, it didn’t come up. We talked mostly about the Netflix series Night Agent. Have you seen it? So good."

  • Biden, probably.
Omega_Haxors ,

"Where the fuck am I?"

  • Biden, definitely
Hatsune_Miku , to world in Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

well this community suddenly became very quiet.

Argonne ,

Waiting on their bosses for the right propaganda response

blahsay ,

There’s a bunch of pro Palestinian accounts that all only post comments about the war and joined about the same time (not at Reddit API influx). The mods should ban clear propaganda accounts

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

I think mods should ban any account that argues points without reputable sources to back their claims. The amount of “they bombed hospitals” without evidence is pretty staggering.

lolcatnip ,

Israel’s right wing is a bunch of genocidal monsters who are just as evil as Hamas but much better funded.

Happy now?

Argonne ,

At least you are now equating Hamas to Israel in terms of morality instead of glorifying them, so that’s progress

lolcatnip ,

I never have. My position hasn’t changed a bit.

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

i didn’t know israel is beheading people with garden hoes :o

lolcatnip ,

No, they’re doing it with bombs. So much more civilized!

Aceticon ,

You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!

Is them being arabic-speaking muslims that makes their horrible deaths acceptable in your eyes, even while the deaths of jewish hebrew speaking children are not?!

It’s really hard to see any other reason than the most disgustingly extreme psychopatic racism for somebody to justify the horrible murder of children using the murder of other children by people whose only relation is being from the same ethnic group.

SCB ,

You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!

Yes. It is fucking weird that you don’t.

Aceticon ,

Well, at least you openly admit you think one kind of horrible deaths for children is better than a different kind.

That’s pretty honest for a sociopath.

SCB ,

Literally everyone thinks some kinds of deaths are better than others. Dying slowly and painfully due to someone’s maliciousness is generally considered among the worst.

You’re weird for trying to make this some sort of gotcha.

Aceticon ,

Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder, to the point of using one to justify the other in an argument genuinelly believing other human beings will be swayed by that.

People in the normal human range within the sociopathy spectrum neither think “an eye for an eye” applies to the murdering of children - no matter the method used - nor think other people can be swayed to accept child murder by pointing out that child murders were commited by people only related to the former children by etnicity.

In fact normal people don’t even think one kind of child murder justifies the other kind of child murder even when the latter children have direct family relations to the murderers of the former.

You need to be quite the sociopath to merelly think somebody murdering children justifies killing their kids, and you need to be extremelly sociopathic to think somebody murdering children justifies killing kids of the same etnic group.

People whose psychological makeup is such that they trully believe child murder justifies child murder and, worse, that others think the same, need professional help, deseperatelly so.

SCB ,

Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder,

A) this is quite incorrect

But more importantly

B) I never said anything justified anything

Perhaps engage with just a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith

Madison420 ,

Then what is the difference.

SCB ,

That question doesn’t make any sense.

Madison420 ,

It does. You’re saying one civilian death is different than another. So name that difference.

SCB , (edited )

Dying badly is worse than not dying badly

Would you rather die in hospice or by being fed to a wood chipper?

Shit’s not complex bro you’re just a crazy person

Madison420 ,

How exactly are they not dying “badly”.

Which one of those happened here.

Again eugenicist insults.

SCB ,

You didnt answer my question.

Madison420 ,

I don’t answer irrelevant hypotheticals.

SCB ,

It’s literally the topic of our discussion - whether all deaths are equal.

Madison420 ,

It’s not. The question was how is one civilian death worse than another, not “would I rather”. Keep up.

SCB ,

Yes, and some deaths are indeed worse than others, which is why you wouldn’t pick “wood chipper”

Madison420 ,

How exactly. What you prefer is your opinion, it’s not an objective standard. You feel one way is worse but a death is a death.

Also you don’t know what I would pick bud, you’re talking out your ass.

SCB ,

I’m pretty sure I know what you’d pick lol

Madison420 ,

And I’m pretty sure you don’t and also that it’s irrelevant given your options are hyperbole with one being almost benign and the other literally Fargo when those aren’t the options here nor are they what is happening in Gaza.

SCB ,

The chick in Fargo died before going in the wood chipper

The point is that yes some deaths suck worse than others. Enjoy your wood chipper, I guess? Seems crazy to me

Madison420 ,

It wasn’t a chick, it was Carl.

Cool, you made the definition so name the difference.

SCB ,

That second sentence doesn’t make any sense.

You’re kind of acting crazy.

Madison420 ,

It does, refer back to previous comments like a competent adult engaging in legitimate discussion.

Amusingly textbook gaslighting.

SCB ,

That’s not what gaslighting is.

Madison420 ,

It quite literally is, do you enjoy being wrong or are you simply repulsed by research.

SCB ,

Gaslighting is when you convince someone their stove is broken when it isn’t.

Madison420 ,

Or trying to convince someone you do not know that they are crazy so you can win an Internet argument.

It’s shitty gaslighting but still gaslighting bud.

SCB ,

See this is just what a crazy person would say.

Madison420 ,

Sounds like something an abusive asshole would say.

SCB ,

You should smile more.

Madison420 ,

Again actual gaslighting with misogyny and the assumption I’m female. Love it. Point blank your argument is so shitty you can’t defend it, not won’t but literally can’t.

Good luck with the douchebag routine, maybe a read a book instead of trying and failing to stroke your ego.

SCB ,

It’s not misogyny to point out that I don’t think you’re smiling.

Madison420 ,

It’s quite literally the most used misogynistic insult.

If you’re going to be an asshole at least be an honest asshole.

SCB ,

I don’t think that’s the most common misogynistic insult. That seems crazy.

Madison420 ,

What you think is irrelevant, reality differs. You seem like an asshole.

SCB ,

Maybe to a crazy person I guess

Madison420 ,

Maybe to an asshole I guess.

SCB ,

No I’m incredibly nice. You’re just cray-cray totes McGoats

Madison420 ,

No I’m totally sane. You’re just ass-holish forshizzle.

SCB ,

Your don’t write the R in "fo shizzle* and it’s 2 words.

Madison420 ,

Sounds like something a crazy person would say.

Also no, Snoop Dogg says it both ways but again basic research ain’t your strong suit.

SCB ,

Drop it like it’s hot.

Madison420 ,

You first dumb dumb, I’m still waiting for you to stand but your shitty argument.

SCB ,

But my shitty argument what?

Madison420 ,

Yes yes, my hand messes up because it’s going paralyzed, we went over this but at least this time your mocking something real and not inexpert opinion from an asshole.

SCB ,

Lmao high five

Madison420 ,

Way to poke fun at disability, you seem like a real gem of a person.

SCB ,

Have you ever heard of a Zen Koan?

Madison420 ,

Are you claiming to be Buddhist now? That would be hilarious.

SCB ,

I was planning on asking you, since this is a rare opportunity, “What’s the sound of one hand clapping?”

Madison420 ,

About the same as you jerking yourself off for the last 30 comments I would imagine.

SCB ,

Lol don’t be silly. It’s Thanksgiving! I’m not jerking off.

Madison420 ,

Don’t fuck the turkey either, I shouldn’t have to say that.

SCB ,

Nah I only fuck adult people who want me to fuck them. Wife and I are swingers so I get to be plenty flexible.

Madison420 ,

So you’re a virgin, gotcha.

SCB ,

No I have 3 children. 18/8/6.

A/s/l?

Madison420 ,

Oh I’m sure you play an interesting game of life, don’t eat the convertible.

SCB ,

I drive a Kia

Gets a lot of smiles per gallon

Madison420 ,

Didn’t know playskool made a Kia.

SCB ,

How fuckin cool would that be lol

Madison420 ,

A lot cooler than you.

You want to defend your argument now or just pay idiotic games?

SCB ,

I roll d20 on argument check. Result: 33 with modifiers.

Your move.

Madison420 ,

Nope still yours is your argument to shitty and inept to defend or are you just scared.

SCB ,

Too, not “to”

Madison420 ,

Yes yes, my comments have errors, you learn to type with your non dominant hand and see how well it works out.

That said you knew what I meant and you’re still refusing to stand by your shitty argument.

Why is crushed under a building worse than shot.

SCB ,

Because it’s a worse experience. This is not at all a hot take.

That you’ve limped your way through me fucking with you for two days over it is fucking embarrassing for you lol

Madison420 ,

Correct. So why are you arguing that Palestinians aren’t being tortured by proxy with mass civilian casualties?

You just admitted your argument is shit, you should review your comments bud.

Ta dah!

lemmy.world/comment/5476838

SCB ,

Yeah being murdered with a hoe is definitely worse.

I actually brought this up with my elderly father at Thanksgiving lol. He thought it was hilarious that you went so berserk over it, and we came up with some of my comments together.

It was actually a really sweet little moment. I’m thankful for you.

Madison420 ,

How so.

So you’re just as much of a sad shitty person in real life, neat brag. No one has gone berserk I’m persistent, someone is running away and it certainly isn’t me.

I imagine none of it actually happened so sure, whatever you need bud.

SCB ,

Lol it definitely happened. My wife’s favorite part was when I said you should smile more.

Thanks for your contribution to an awesome thanksgiving.

Madison420 ,

Back to your shitty argument so if the the person bombed is beheaded by explosive is that than equal to or greater than this theoretical hoe beheading.

SCB ,

Lesser than. It’s not the object, it’s the situation. Seriously, it’s so weird you don’t get this.

“Dying instantly is better than being slowly beheaded by a laughing terrorist” is just not a hot take dude. Quit being so weird lol

Madison420 , (edited )

It’s weird to me that you value one human life over another. How many lives is a hoe beheading worth? Two, three? Ten? Because we’re at about 10x as many civilians casualties in Gaza. How many until Israel breaks even?

Similarly death by building, or explosive dismemberment notoriously not fast or painless.

SCB ,

It’s weird to me that you value one human life over another

??? That’s not a thing weve ever discussed.

Madison420 ,

That’s quite literally what you’re doing right now, we’re actively discussing it. I’m bad at math but goddamn homie you’d figure the guy on the high horse could figure out 1+1=2.

SCB ,

Gonna need you to quote me on that one.

Madison420 ,

You want me to quote to you something that is two comments above this one? Egomaniacal and lazy, neat combo no wonder research is so difficult for you.

lemmy.world/comment/5553378

SCB ,

I never compared value of human life, but rather ranked methods of dying

Let me give you a hand - the entire argument you think you’re having is just something you made up in your head

Madison420 ,

lemmy.world/comment/5553378

Lesser than. It’s not the object, it’s the situation. Seriously, it’s so weird you don’t get this.

SCB ,

Yes. This has nothing to do with the value of human life.

Madison420 ,

It has to, your unwillingness to address the subject for as you say 2 days shows that much.

You’re a bigot, it took a holiday break but I’m glad we got to the truth eventually. Have a nice night buckaroo.

SCB ,

Lmao see there’s that crazy again

Madison420 ,

There’s that inability to defend you bigoted stance again and as of to prove my point you call me bigoted names.

Too easy babe.

SCB ,

Its not bigoted to think dying fast is better than dying slow.

Madison420 ,

Again those weren’t the options bud, the comment you responded to specifically says slow and painful. You gloss over that fact because… You’re a bigot.

You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!

SCB ,

That’s because it a dumb bit of hyperbole from a loon that doesn’t understand how human bodies function.

Edit: but even still, us disagreeing on which is a worse death is not at all a discussion about the value of the life being taken. Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.

That you think it is being discussed, and went so insane about it, is embarrassing. As I said before.

Madison420 ,

Ah another “crazy” person, everyone you deal with seems to be crazy huh? It’s not that maybe you’re a bigot. It’s not hyperbole, those things have objectively happened in Gaza during the conflict, Israel doesn’t deny it why do you.

It absolutely is, you were given two horrific examples of death and chose one over the other that’s giving them values.

relative worth, utility, or importance.

Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.

It absolutely is being discussed, you just don’t see it because to do so would mean accepting that gazans are people not terrorists.

Again, bigoted insults, I do enjoy how easy you’re making proving your bigotry. What’s next another joke about my disability?

SCB ,

It absolutely is, you were given two horrific examples of death and chose one over the other that’s giving them values.

Yes. Note that this has nothing to do with the value of the person

Also note that I have literally never typed the word “Gazan” here

Madison420 ,

It absolutely does the only difference between them is ethnicity.

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot.

SCB ,

We never discussed the ethnicity of the dead people.

Madison420 ,

We did, its in the original comment by context, though if your reading comprehension is that poor it would certainly explain some things.

SCB ,

Your imagined context made you so angry that you are 2 days worth of mockery lmao

Madison420 ,
SCB ,

Yes. It is fucking weird that you think that’s not a better way to die.

Madison420 ,

There is no good way to die and even given equivalent examples you’ve chosen the Israeli over the gazan.

You’re a bigot, be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

There are plenty of good ways to die. My daughter’s grandpa on her mom’s side got to choose how to pass and it was beautiful, surrounded by loved ones.

It would be great if we all got to make a choice and have it be easy.

Madison420 ,

That’s your opinion, it’s at best an ancedote.

Sure, it would be and some people get their fucking brains blown out their fucking body for being gazan and unable to escape.

Be an honest bigot, if you say Nazi shit people are going to assume your a Nazi.

Madison420 ,

It’s absolutely a discussion on the value of human life.

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

Only if you’re crazy

Madison420 ,

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

You’re not going to get the last word lol

Madison420 ,

You’re welcome to have it if you admit you’re a bigot.

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

I genuinely don’t think you’re as petty as me, nor does your life involve as much forced downtime as mine.

Madison420 ,

Sounds like we agree on something, bigots do tend to be very petty people. I imagine so, bud but that’s not a metric of who will speak last. There’s no timelimit on response bud.

You’re a bigot at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

It’s not bigotry to get notifications on a Web site I visit anyway

Madison420 ,

It’s not, you are however a bigot.

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

SCB ,

I don’t think the evidence holds there, Mads.

Madison420 ,

You wouldn’t know evidence if it hit you in the face, clearly scrubby.

You’re a bigot, at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.

Madison420 ,

Yes yes, because things I can show objectively are in my head. You want to try that again but be logical and make sense? No no, what you did was assume that being crushed by a building is painless and not terror inducing because you don’t value Palestinian life given your comments thus far.

You were given a situation. Ie. Crushed slowly under a building or beheaded by hoe and decided one is more valuable than the other. Words matter, context matters, actions matter and all of yours point to a bigoted outlook which is why you seem to equate Palestinians as terrorists, not people.

SCB ,

Crushed slowly under a building or beheaded by hoe and decided one is more valuable than the other.

No one s less desirable

Madison420 ,

In the example given the faster death is actually beheading by hoe. Your bigoted views just gloss over what doesn’t fit your narrative.

SCB ,

That is definitely not accurate, but I admire you for having a diamond-edged hoe that has a sharp edge. That’s gotta make gardening a snap.

Madison420 ,

So you’re a believer in untermensch? Amusing conflict to casually bring that up for.

SCB ,

Dude be real lol

Madison420 ,

Ok then why do you believe one civilian dying a torturous death is different than any other?

SCB ,

Because I have a functioning brain.

Madison420 ,

That’s not an explanation bud that’s a very obvious very pathetic dodge. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say you won’t explain it because it’s almost certainly very bigoted.

SCB ,

No you’re just an insane person

Madison420 ,

Taking shots at the unwell, let’s bump that up to straight eugenicist.

SCB ,

Lmao

Madison420 ,

Not gunna defend your bullshit stance I take it?

SCB ,

Every single response you give is increasingly unhinged, so of course I’m going to respond. This is one of my favorite threads all week

Madison420 ,

Yes asking you to defend your position is “unhinged”.

SCB ,

You didn’t ask me to defend anything, and you are incapable of articulating my position.

You’re figuratively shouting absurd insults to try to get a rise out of me, but I just think they’re funny.

Madison420 ,

Survey says… Your full of shit.

lemmy.world/comment/5493243

Not only have I asked you to defend your bullshit point I’ve asked multiple times directly.

It’s not an absurd insult, calling someone insane is an insult. Saying your stance is bullshit is at best implying you’re an idiot.

SCB ,

It’s not an insult if it’s a descriptor. You’re an insane person.

Say more funny things!

Madison420 ,

That’s an insult bud, you’re not a medical professional so it can’t be anything but an insult.

Or answer the question. What is the difference between dead isreali civilians and dead Palestinian civilians.

SCB ,

I could be a medical professional. I could be a mental health professional.

But you’re definitely crazy

Madison420 ,

Then you’d be committing an ethical violation in calling me insane without physical observation. Guaranteed you are not a medical professional, I’m willing to bet you’re an actual factual child.

And you’re definitely an asshole.

SCB ,

See that’s just what a crazy person would say

Madison420 ,

The literal definition of gaslighting, way to go!

SCB ,

It’s not gaslighting if the person is crazy.

Madison420 ,

Oo ad hominem, are you going for shitty argument bingo?

SCB ,

We’ve already discussed that it’s not an insult because you are indeed crazy.

Trust me. I’m a scientist doctor

Madison420 ,

That’s your opinion Bud it’s also shitty deflection but do go on, the more you insist I’m crazy and refuse to stand by your argument the weaker you argument becomes.

SCB ,

Oh heavens.

Madison420 ,

And now you’re clutching pearls, why not defend your position on literally any of your bullshit arguments.

How about what kind of “crazy” or “insane” am I, what are the symptoms, what is your expertise, so on and so forth.

Elucidate me Jambi.

SCB ,

In my professional opinion, you seem “normal type” crazy.

Madison420 ,

Oh define it. Defend your position.

SCB ,

You don’t seem like you smile much when men are around, and that’s a sign of crazy.

Madison420 ,

Oh and what are we basing that on, maybe we can find a single thing you’ve said that you’re willing to defend.

Do you always either lash out or run away when you can’t support your argument?

SCB ,

Because I’m a man, and I’m around. And you don’t seem to be smiling.

Madison420 ,

I kinda doubt that, perhaps a boy maybe a man but certainly not a man worth calling a man ie. A gentleman.

You don’t know what I’m doing bud, I could be standing on my head with my thumb up my ass. You’re just making absurd assumptions.

SCB ,

I hope you really are standing on your head with your thumb in your ass. That would be incredible.

Madison420 ,

It would just be more of a way to dunk on you, you’ve completely abandoned your argument because it’s indefensible.

SCB ,

No I’m definitely right

Madison420 ,

But can’t or won’t defend your argument, why is that?

SCB ,

Lack of interest in engaging with a crazy person.

Madison420 ,

Lack of interest in engaging with an asshole.

SCB ,

You seem quite interested.

5BC2E7 ,

So collateral damage is just as bad as putting a baby inside an oven?

lolcatnip ,

You said that, not me.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Where is that baby In oven video you’re talking about? Unless it’s a video there’s no way I’m trusting IDF faked phone calls.

Aceticon ,

Some Israeli “colonist” said it happened so it must be true…

Annoyed_Crabby ,

pro-genocide folks breath sigh of relieve when their support of hospital bombing is finally justified

*on second thought, i’ll just not bring myself down to your level.

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

uh-huh~ and your proof?

Annoyed_Crabby ,

What proof?

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

of your claims that they bombed hospitals

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Removed, rule 5. Don’t attack the other user.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Sorry. Shouldn’t feed the troll.

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

i’m arguing in good faith

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Sure.

Hatsune_Miku ,
@Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world avatar

I’m supplying reputable sources with my claims. You still owe me one for the whole “bombing hospitals” thing you said tho! :3

Annoyed_Crabby ,

No i don’t lol.

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar
Madison420 ,

It really hasn’t, it’s generic un geolocated video yet again and Israel is known to fake video. At the same time it’s not at all proof of their nonsense claims.

ilovesatan ,
@ilovesatan@lemmy.world avatar

Fake news!

Madison420 ,

I mean no, it’s an unsubstantiated claim.

Annoyed_Crabby , to world in White House: Biden has not seen or independently confirmed Hamas beheaded Israeli children

So no one can confirm the claim, even the press on the ground?

Strange 🤔

Zahille7 , to worldnews in Israel starts work on filing genocide case against Iran at International Court of Justice

“no u”

DmMacniel , to worldnews in Israel says WHO ‘colluding’ with Hamas by ignoring ‘terrorist use’ of Gaza hospitals

When you’re against them, then you are Hamas!

givesomefucks ,

Nah, they crossed that line decades ago…

Now if you don’t offer them unconditional support, you’re Hamas.

And even if you do but you get killed anyways, believe it or not, still Hamas.

Moxible ,

You say that sarcastically, but former president George W. Bush stated it clearly “either you’re with the US, or you’re with the terrorists”

HawlSera , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel

Okay, we are officially the bad guys

nutsack ,

oh finally. i was wondering when that would happen. thanks

banneryear1868 ,

The last 70 years of sponsoring fascist coups around the world in the interests of capitalists made US the bad guys.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, but we can finally put the official Biden stamp on it.

Sanctus , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, but the other guy said he’d be a dictator, so

June ,

Yea. This is repugnant, but I’m gonna hold my nose and vote Biden anyway.

Tarquinn2049 ,

Hehe yeah, obviously still have to vote for Biden, but why does he have to make it any harder right about now?

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm, a zionist or the end of American democracy? Its just so hard.

cmbabul ,

Not a hard choice, but I don’t have to like it

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Its bullshit, we deserve more choice and better choices. Unfortunately, the reality is its probably going to end in Biden v Trump. My choice is easy in that regard.

Chakravanti ,

I’m fighting the whole notion inside myself. Is there any social environment we can build a clu…oh shit…I can’t talk about that.

brain_in_a_box ,

What a remarkably callous thing to say about genocide.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Listen, I dont want bombs falling anywhere. I don’t like what Israel is doing in Gaza at all. If I could I would summon the strength of Hercules and the wisdom of Solomon to put an end to this. But I can’t I’m a human. The most I can do right now is assist the nation with the most powerful military in the world with not electing a dictator. I can’t produce a miracle and make some unknown 3rd candidate win. And if you think Trump would be nicer to Palestinians, I got some news for you. What an incredibly disingenuous statement.

brain_in_a_box ,

You could act like you care about the genocide atleast. You could also stop acting like Trump is any worse than any of the other Republican presidents, going back to atleast Nixon.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Do you see any other choices in this instance of our current election cycle? Do you see any other possible candidates that will continue to support Ukraine AND offer to pull support from Israel while also maintaining the possibility of an electoral victory? If you do see a US presidential candidate with these prerequisites please inform me immediately so that I may vote for them. Until then, Biden unfortunately holds my vote.

brain_in_a_box ,

Yeah, I see the choice of not being callous about genocide.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

And I see you choosing to add nothing to this discussion.

brain_in_a_box ,

Oh fuck off, just because you don’t like to hear it you’re going to start pouting?

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

You dont even have a point my guy. Come back when you do.

brain_in_a_box ,

Weak trolling.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

You called me callous dude. You came in here swinging. All I said was if I have to vote between a dictator and a zionists that I am sorry but I have to choose the zionist. If that upsets you, good. We need to do better. But to attack me over it? Get a life.

brain_in_a_box ,

I called you callous because that’s exactly what you were.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

There aren’t any other choices. What would you rather?

brain_in_a_box ,

You could act like you care about the genocide atleast. You could also stop acting like Trump is any worse than any of the other Republican presidents, going back to atleast Nixon.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I dont want bombs falling anywhere. I don’t like what Israel is doing in Gaza at all. If I could I would summon the strength of Hercules and the wisdom of Solomon to put an end to this.

Ignore this I guess.

brain_in_a_box ,

Hmm, a zionist or the end of American democracy? Its just so hard.

Ignore this I guess.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t like it either. You wanna run for president and beat them? You act like I put both nominees up personally lol

brain_in_a_box ,

You don’t like it, yet you said it anyway?

So if Trump would end the genocide in Palestine, would you vote for him.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Would you? Republicans will let Russia eat Ukraine. This discussion isn’t a disccusion you’re just angry because I said I’d vote for Biden. I’m out. Free Palestine, Slava Ukraine, fuck Trump, and fuck u/brain_in_a_box.

brain_in_a_box ,

Least deranged Biden stan.

And I’m not surprised to hear that you’d happily vote to continue the genocide in Gaza, given the choice.

So much for all that “if I had the strength of Samson!” Sophistry.

fluxion ,

Don’t pretend to give a shit about genocide and then start making a pitch for Trump as if he’d be calling for a ceasefire.

“There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also; I don’t know,” Trump said. “You know, it’s not as obvious, but probably that’s it too. So sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends.”

www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380111

brain_in_a_box ,

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

brain_in_a_box ,

Because he knows you’ll vote him no matter what he does

ShroOmeric , to world in IDF says Hamas attacked troops as they opened Gaza evacuation corridor for civilians

It takes an hell of an effort to believe anything from the IDF with amount of bullshit they told for decades.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

And at the same time it’s totally plausible, that’s what makes it dangerous. No one knows who to believe and no UN forces want to get killed trying to keep things as fair as possible.

Doorbook ,

“No one knows who to believe” the statement there is for a reason. Killing Journalist and targeting their families, cutting communication is the reason.

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