But khamaaas just needs to hand over the hostages and the war will end! The ZioBots have been screaming this for the last 8 months it must be true! Surely they wouldn’t gaslight people into saying this was never said!
And I’m sure the Israelis will be quite fond of this stance that flips the bird at literally the single part of this whole debacle that they themselves are interested in
For anyone interested, Wikipedia has a page on the current hostage situation and some history.
According to Wikipedia, one of the “deals” Hamas has offered Israel was that Isreal release all Palestinian prisoners. That would be thousands of prisoners in exchange for hostages Hamas took on the 7th of October.
The difference is due to the military control Israel has over the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Palestinians are tried in a military court with no civil rights or representation, tortured into false confessions, and incarcerated with routine torture, sexual abuse, and denial of basic medical care. That includes hundreds if not thousands of children.
That’s the Wikipedia bias. The vast majority of pages are written and maintained by a small number of people with a Western Centrist perspective, which tends to be more conservative. You start to notice it more once you see it for the first time.
Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
So to summarize: The Palestinian prisoners are referred to as prisoners by Hamas. The non combatants taken hostage by Hamas are not referred to as prisoners by Hamas.
Whether you think the terrorist organisation Hamas are tainted by western bias or not is a different discussion that I’m not interested in taking part in.
Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
So to summarize: The Palestinian prisoners are referred to as prisoners by Hamas. The non combatants taken hostage by Hamas are not referred to as prisoners by Hamas.
Whether you think the terrorist organisation Hamas are paid off by Isreal or not is a different discussion that I’m not interested in taking part in.
This war never was about getting hostages released.
The hostages gave the Israeli government a very nice and convenient excuse to do what they always wanted to do but never could.
It’s the same as bush with 9/11 invading Iraq even though Osama bin Laden was known not to be there. He literally said he didn’t care about bin Laden, let’s go get Iraq’s oil!
The Israeli government wants the Palestinian lands and the Palestinians, apparently, all dead or gone. This reminds me of some other very large and sad event in history, the name eludes me for a second…
So far as I’m concerned Netanyahu and his government are as bad as the German Nazis of World War 2 who tried to exterminate them. They’re now doing the same things to the Palestinians, while simultaneously swearing up and down that they’re not doing that, but really, who believes them anymore?
Additionally Netanyahu is a criminal in his own country and is desperately clinging to power so he doesn’t go to prison.
The real victims here are all the non-combatants on both sides, Palestinian and Israeli both. Hamas are animals who use the people they claim to fight for as human shields, and the Israeli government and military are genocidal assholes who just want to exterminate the Palestinians once and for all and take their land. The best thing that could happen here is that Hamas ceases to exist, Netanyahu, his government, and the elements of their military who are okay with killing Palestinian civilians all go away, and Palestine is declared a free and sovereign country, and this shit never happens again.
Slightly out of date now since Israel has, apparently, accepted the deal Biden’s administration came up with. They’re bitching about it, but they say they have accepted it.
I don’t put too much faith in polls anymore. The democrats have over performed in every election since 2018.
He definitely has a thin-ass tightrope to walk with the democratic tent. What easily could be 5 parties are lumped into one because of the two party system.
It definitely will. Though many have given up on him already, at least he will be relieved of not being able to go anywhere without Genocide Joe chants.
In hindsight we can now confidently say that Biden should have stopped this far earlier.
Now if Biden actually forced a solution such as the two state one the Palestinians are asking for he can definitely get voters back.
Also last time I checked Benzion Mileikowski still rejects a permanent ceasefire until Hamas is “eradicated”
Well, when even your own citizens are crying out for the government to stop they may want to listen. Any use protection as a valid excuse when your citizens are wanting it to end.
An aide said they would agree, nothing has been done yet, and the conditions are not clear.
For all we know this is israel preparing to blame an aid for a misunderstanding, while they keep killing Palestinians and Biden gets to look good in the media.
How many terrorists have to be at the table? Itamar Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist. Should the cabinet adjourn every time a Kehanist or two shows up? Or does it require a 5/6 ratio before guilt by association kicks in?
Don’t let terrorists live in your home. Leave if you have to.
I’m sure that would have been very easy for the well over 10,000 children who have been killed. Especially the babies.
I have said this multiple times and I will continue to say it- if you have to kill thousands of children in the name of protecting your nation, maybe your nation isn’t worth protecting.
On one hand I can sympathize with that sentiment, on the other hand, I can’t imagine the horrors that would have occurred if the Axis powers had been allowed to conquer the world.
Ah, mostly that the Allied forces were fighting to protect their own nations, not just against the Axis powers. In doing so, they also caused death and destruction to innocents.
Again, doesn’t change what I said- if you have to kill thousands of children based on the claim that you’re protecting your nation- something the Axis powers themselves did- then maybe your nation isn’t worth protecting.
if you have to kill thousands of children based on the claim that you’re protecting your nation
My point is that this was something the Allied powers did as well, and they were the only thing that stopped the Axis powers. The scale and intent could be argued, but even though military conflicts are extremely horrific, I don’t always see a viable alternative.
To be clear, I’m also not saying that the specifics of the Israel-Palestine conflict are the same as WWII.
Those kids have parents who are making that choice.
Every country who has gone to war in the last century has killed children. The US, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, even Australia…
Civilian casualties are not possible to avoid unless both sides are willing to fight in a completely separate space, and that doesn’t happen in modern warfare.
Hamas isn’t using civilians as human shields. At least, not at scale. Israel and its western co-conspirators manufacture evidence to use to justify the genocide, but none of that evidence is concrete. It’s just intelligence people making baseless claims.
Times of Israel has such immense bias in favor of the IDF and the fascist apartheid regime, and such lax fact checking on the one subject people outside Israel read it for that it’s not AT ALL credible and MBFC, being basically the hobby of a conservative Zionist, rates it left of center and highly factual 🤦
I mean, the Gaza Health Ministry already fails to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants when reporting casualties, so does it really matter what Hamas’ political or military branches claim?
Please stop flagging this thread as misinformation. Whether or not you believe that the Al Jazeera journalist had any responsibility here, the article is about them denying it.
Because Al Jazeera denies it. That is a fact. If you’re saying that the Times is claiming Al Jazeera denies a rumor the Times started themselves, it does not make it any less factual that Al Jazeera denies it. And the article is about Al Jazeera denying it.
Israel won’t stop until every non-Israeli person in Gaza is eliminated. The Nazis called this “ethnische Säuberung” (ethnic cleansing).
It’s like abused children grow up to abuse their children the same way. The evil cycle of viciousness and violence.
These days I am ashamed of Germany again. Our guilt towards the Jewish people blinds us so much, that we even support them doing the same to others as we did to them.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my comment. Of course I don’t mean “The Jewish people” as a complete entity. I mean, Germany is unconditionally and it seems without critical thinking supporting Israel because their guilt towards Jewish people clouds their judgment.
Because of what we did, we can not show any critic or judgment towards Israel, because that’s “anti-semitic”. Which is a stance, that in my opinion actually harms any effort against anti-semitism.
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