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erranto , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians

The most moral army in the world they say, Forces of Light against forces of Darkness they say

They are reveling on spilling Arab blood unhindered, indulging in the most vicious fetish of a supremacist ideology . humanity can go fuck itself

Karyoplasma ,

Reminder that the West Bank is under Israeli occupation against international law (UN resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471, 476 (not an exhaustive list); the Venice Declaration) since 1967. The only countries to deny illegality are: Israel (and the US if you believe Donald Trump lol). This is an exhaustive list.

SharkAttak ,
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Disgusting to see what Israel started to do, as soon as they can unhindered.

ThatFembyWho ,

moral army

Lol there’s no such thing.

Literally every violent conflict is filled wth abuses on all sides.

Having mercifully never been in a war, I don’t know how it feels. But it’s easy to see how individual soldiers just snap, and do completely unhinged shit.

For example we all agree the Nazis and Imperial Japanese were despicable. Yet learning about how Allied soldiers would execute prisoners, extract body parts (teeth, ears) as trophies, and so on, really brought home to me how even the most “necessary” wars, even in self-defense, are grotesque perversions of human nature.

Destraight , to world in Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel

And they should get to do it, considering what all those Jews did to the Palestinians

JustZ , (edited ) to world in Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel
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Have Hamas ever heard of endlings? It’s the last of a species before it goes extinct.

reverendsteveii , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians

In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.

In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance.

These are the good guys. You know, the ones that don’t want violence and only want to be safe from external threats.

TokenBoomer OP ,

That’s sadism.

reverendsteveii ,

Yep. It’s just about finding someone and hurting them because you’re afraid and angry.

Karyoplasma ,

Where does that over-stated theory that hatred and violence are rooted in fear even come from? I hear it every time violent incidents happen, but I have yet to see any evidence that you need to fear something in order to hate it.

Grayox ,
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Its more a lack of understanding, ergo a lack of empathy.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Fear of death, endemic to human consciousness. Also, Star Wars.

vacuumflower ,

Sometimes they are (if you had a cat or a dog, you know), though definitely not always, but it’s also the opposite order - first people feel impunity and do bad things to others, and then they fear justice and hate the victim because of that fear.

Karyoplasma ,

That makes sense, thanks.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Israel needs therapy.

CosmicCleric ,
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Israel needs therapy.

With everything that’s been happening in the world as of late, we all need therapy.

neeshie ,

Betterhelp sponsored them, but its also kinda shit so maybe thats why the soldiers are so fucked up

AphoticDev , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
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“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.

CosmicCleric ,
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“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

From the article…

In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”

Not saying that the IDF is right on this one, at all, but all armies have aholes in them who do crap like this.

Maggoty ,

So they quick way out of reserve service is to just film yourself committing war crimes? That seems like a reward not a punishment. They should be in prison, not at home

CosmicCleric ,
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So they quick way out of reserve service

I wasn’t speaking towards that.

I was calling someone out for falsely quoting something that wasn’t said.

TryingToEscapeTarkov , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians

and we are funding it.

samokosik , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
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It is disproportionate, I agree.

However, a response towards a terrorist organization must be very disproportionate.

jabjoe , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
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You give people unchecked power over other people, and it will be abused. Occupying armies, prisons, police, clergy, you name it.

We just aren’t nice monkeys. So power has to be transparent and accountable.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Vote Matrix/SkyNet 2024!

/s

CosmicCleric ,
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Vote Matrix/SkyNet 2024!

I’m not sure that I agree with their population policies though.

postmateDumbass ,

Whatever you do, do not riot for bread in Bakersfield.

CosmicCleric ,
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If you do the Running Man will chase you down.

Mrkawfee , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians

Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.

TokenBoomer OP ,

I thought about posting this to the community. Should I? It breaks my heart that we are collectively letting this happen.

1847953620 ,

absolutely should. The heinous aspect of a truth should actually highlight the importance of it being common knowledge. It is in ignoring and burying it to avoid discomfort that helps enable repeating that which led to it.

jimbo ,

Are there media outlets in other countries, other than Israel, running articles like this? It would be interesting to know what you’re comparing it to.

Chocrates ,

Al Jazeera has good reporting usually. YouTube tells me they have questionable funding, I haven’t followed up on it.

pyrflie ,

Their funding is questionable but their coverage of the region is really good. They also cover a ton of topics in SE Asia that are only really touched upon otherwise by the BBC.

Maggoty ,

Israel has specifically threatened the families of Al Jazeera’s Palestinian team. That tells me all I need to know.

antidote101 ,

Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.

Rolando_Cueva ,

Isn’t misinformation and disinformation the same thing?

n0m4n ,

Almost. Disinformation is lying, while misinformation can be whaddaboutisms and/or a blackout of the inconvenient truths. Misinformation can include true facts, but use outliers as proof to their veracity. Misinformation can also include disinformation, but play semantics to minimize the controversies of labeling lies as the lies that they are.

Hamas continues to send missiles and hiding in areas barred from being attacked by military attacks from the rules of warfare. IDF says that they will not hold back on their counter-attacks, that the Palestinians were warned.

I see Russia attack Ukraine with the same terrorist targeting of civilian casualties as Hamas and Israel. My fear is that this is how warfare will be fought until enough carnage is inflicted that all sides see the consequences of breaking rules of engagement.

Morally, both sides (IDF and Hamas) have been bad for decades.

CosmicCleric , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
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War brings out the worst in people.

spiderplant ,

What do you mean war, the west bank is not controlled by hamas.

This is brutalisation by an occupying force on a population living in an Israeli controlled Bantustan.

Maggoty ,

Occupation is war. Apartheid is war. Oppression is a war on the oppressed.

Marsupial , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official
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Oh so they just have a big list of every Hamas member and can vette them from name alone?

psycho_driver ,

Really shameful that the US is aiding and abetting genocide.

01011 ,

Par for the course. One group of violent European settlers defending another.

tsonfeir ,
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I’m sure Hamas would slaughter the Israelis if they got the chance—oh wait they are. Both sides of the coin is genocide.

Sarmyth ,

They’re both killing each other. America sides with its homie because they’ve been ride or die for a while. It’s hood politics. Always will be.

Garbanzo ,

Ahmad Awad? Yeah, sorry bud, there’s a couple hundred of you on the list.

snek ,
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People have social security numbers, you know. It’s not some desert with camels where everyone is called Ahmad Awad.

mwguy OP ,

Maybe, I mean that would be exactly the sort of data I would expect my intelligence services to acquire. Especially in a place like Egypt that has suffered so much from the crimes of the Muslim Brotherhood.

meldrik , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Why not arrest them then, if they have proof of being terrorists?

SirToxicAvenger ,

and then what? terrorists cant be reprogrammed. just arrest them and then… what?

meldrik ,

What happens when someone is arrested? That’s what.

SirToxicAvenger ,

so what do you do with them? hold them indefinitely?

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I mean usually that's what due process is like. You can also execute them, but that's usually considered a war crime.

Damage ,

Not really tho, if they are terrorists and not soldiers

Pyr_Pressure ,

Technically Hamas is the government of Palestine, albeit no election for many years, what defines soldier vs terrorist if the terrorists are working for the government?

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

They're both, though. Hamas is the government of Gaza.

fogelmensch ,

I’d say killing people is considered a no-no in general

Pips ,

The fuck are you talking about? There are multiple deradicalization programs globally, at least two major government run ones in the Middle East.

LaLiLuLuCo ,

Reposting.

Israel doesn’t operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don’t want to run a PoW camp.

Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn’t want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won’t face consequences.

mwguy OP ,

It’s an active warzone.

5BC2E7 ,

2 / 3 palestinians in gaza support hamas. They won’t arrest them.

Maeve , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

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LazyBane , (edited ) to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Isn’t it convenient how every time the US or Israel bombs civilians they automatically know they we’re secretly terrorists the whole time?

homoludens , (edited )

Almost as if they were intentionally targeting terrorists…

Not saying they aren’t lying, but this proves exactly nothing.

mwguy OP ,

Ya it’s like they’re using the multiple billions of dollars we’ve invested in spy satellites and other technologies to track people against Hamas or something…

Sarmyth ,

It’d like the largest military and intelligence network was involved somehow…

Also these guys aren’t all “secret” terrorists. They go on TV and shit.

LazyBane ,

Is the US intelligence that good?

It just seems that in USA it’s self they can know about a guy whose been calling for help because he’s on the verge of shooting up a place and they don’t do nothing about it until they start shooting things up. US intelligence seems incredibly dysfunctional and if they can’t sort things out at home I don’t know how they would figure these things out abroad.

Sarmyth ,

Internal affair with 1 citizen is a police matter. Terrorists are the intelligence community’s focus. The same organizations wouldn’t be involved in both examples.

LazyBane ,

Fair point.

athos77 , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

I mean, technically most of the Hamas fighters would be Gazans, so it's not like they were lying ...

wetnoodle ,
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Collective punishment is a war crime

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