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  • Emmie ,

    Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?

    MonkderDritte ,

    pushed against secret service to face cameras and have his head exposed for a long period of time?

    Ok, that’s in the range of “you don’t have anything to hide if you’re innocent”, shut up.

    TheDannysaur ,

    This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.

    1. Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
    2. “Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
    3. Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
    4. Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
    5. Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
    6. Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.

    There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.

    This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.

    Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.

    I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.

    BigMacHole , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    So? This happens in Schools all the time?

    lennybird ,
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    You raise a good point. I am far, far less heartbroken by this than Sandy Hook and Uvalde. Republicans made this all possible.

    Redex68 ,

    Well this is gonna raise his chances of winning by a large amount

    Yawweee877h444 ,

    People keep repeating this, but without convincing justification.

    All I see is, people who were already energized to solidly vote trump, are now really really solidly already going to really vote for him now. I just don’t see how this will get someone to vote trump, who was either going to vote dem or not vote.

    People just say things.

    samus12345 , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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    HappycamperNZ ,

    I’ve already called it “the bullet that nearly stabilized the world”.

    bilb ,
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    I don’t think things would just calm down if Trump got ventilated. Probably the opposite.

    HappycamperNZ ,

    I have to disagree - these people are empowered because they were immune to the consequences of their actions. This would show you’re not immune, that your choices and actions have consequences from those you are making suffer, and that the world doesn’t exist in your ivory tower or group think.

    The next fascist leader would go in knowing exactly what happened to the predecessor, exactly what the people think, and that they won’t take your actions lying down.

    HurlingDurling ,
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    This after hitler, husein, and then other duché bags

    HappycamperNZ ,

    I mean Hitler killed himself, so that also an acceptable response here.

    Plus, you know that was not patriotic Americans who are completely different (/s)

    Dempf ,

    Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson. They will, in fact, calm up.

    Azzu ,

    You’re delusional if you think a killed Trump would have been good. He’d get replaced by a more evil and intelligent republican which would then definitely win the election.

    randomaccount43543 , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
    Yawweee877h444 ,

    Looks like one of the bullets actually got him in the ear, as he grabs is ear right away. I thought it was from him getting tackled down by the secret service.

    So the shooter was almost a good shot. So close.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    According to TMZ a secret service agent said the bullet hit his teleprompter and glass shrapnel hit his ear.

    tmz.com/…/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-r…

    ABCDE ,

    Was the teleprompter behind him?

    AngryCommieKender ,

    No clue. I would assume it was in front, I’m merely attempting to spread actual information, unfortunately it is from a less than reputable source, but looking at their timeline, they seem to be covering all possible snippets of information from the scene, without speculating on the motives of the shooter.

    ABCDE ,

    If it was in front, then it would not have hit his right ear as he was looking to the left.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Ricochets happen with shrapnel.

    ABCDE ,

    Around his head?

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  • Treczoks ,

    I would not put this beyond him.

    winterayars ,

    I think it would be. Not morally, just i don’t think he’s competent enough.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.

    JimmyBigSausage ,

    Fake fake fake

    Drusas ,

    That's called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.

    pivot_root ,

    Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.

    Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.

    ComicalMayhem ,

    there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward

    IzzyScissor ,

    Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.

    But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.

    No one is ducking a bullet

    Valmond ,

    No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.

    Could also have been a real shooter.

    TipRing ,

    Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.

    pivot_root ,

    From the article:

    Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.

    Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.

    An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.

    Thorny_Insight , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    The fact that mods are actually doing their jobs in this thread restores some of my faith in Lemmy.

    Would the world be a better place without Trump? Probably. Is this the way? No.

    umbrella , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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    if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.

    really terrible job by whoever tried it.

    Sweetpeaches69 ,

    All the martyrdom, none of the benefits of him actually dying.

    MapleEngineer , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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    Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.

    Mouselemming ,

    He has a alibi, he’s in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.

    MapleEngineer ,
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    He wouldn’t do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn’t have missed, though.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald

    MapleEngineer ,
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    A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.

    NuXCOM_90Percent , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    If at first you don’t succeed, try try again.

    JonsJava ,

    Sadly, the shooter got shot.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Meh, someone else can try to do it right.

    JonsJava ,

    400 ft and a grazed ear is actually a pretty good shot.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Like many women and men have said: sometimes one more inch makes all the difference.

    Montagge , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    sic semper tyrannis

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Are you referencing Brutus or John Wilkes Booth?

    Montagge ,

    Definitely not Booth lol

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Glad to hear it, but I hope you can see why I had to ask.

    Montagge ,

    I had forgotten he said it. A complete Biden of me!

    FireTower ,
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    Or the Virginia state motto

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Interesting. TIL. I also learned this from Wikipedia-

    A joke referencing the image on the seal that dates as far back as the Civil War, is that “Sic semper tyrannis” actually means “Get your foot off my neck.”

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/53ed9736-528d-4e5b-a805-45d9bb796db5.png

    FireTower ,
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    Fairly sure that was where Booth got the motto. He lived in the state for some time.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I think it was explicitly a Julius Caesar reference. He was also a Shakespearean actor.

    PepperoniNipple , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    We need to try again

    JonsJava ,

    Inches matter!

    werefreeatlast , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    This is nothing, check out what putin did!

    feddit.org/post/698871

    I’m sorry, I mean Biden!

    ampedwolfman , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    I see blood but I don’t see a wound. Are they really going to try and pass that the perfect hole there is a bullet hole? Wouldn’t a gun shot wound there take a bigger portion of the ear?

    knightly ,
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    Depends on the hit. There’s not much blood so it might just be a graze.

    snooggums ,
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    Probably bounced off his thick skull.

    Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    Depends on the round. A lot of factors come into play on gunshot wounds, including velocity, mass, resistance, angle. There is even some possibility that the round just barely missed, but the displacement of air is actually what broke skin.

    teft ,
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    There is even some possibility that the round just barely missed, but the displacement of air is actually what broke skin.

    That is an urban legend. I’ve been missed by some pretty large caliber rounds in war and I’ve seen some pretty large caliber rounds barely miss people. No damage is done. You have to make contact with the round (or vice versa) for it to do damage.

    AplasticAenima ,

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  • teft , (edited )
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    Guy I agree his account history looks a little sus, but isn’t that a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black? You have 3 comments since December.

    See below.

    AplasticAenima ,

    I don’t comment a lot, but I have way more comments than that.

    teft ,
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    Ah I see why, I had the main few communities you post in blocked. My bad. I rescind my comment. Note to everyone else: Check histories in a private tab so you can see even communities that you have blocked.

    Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    I’m literally just a dude. I usually don’t have time to post, and haven’t really felt the need to comment, but I had a rare day off where i felt like I could actually take part in conversation.

    conditional_soup ,

    Paramedic here. All parts of the head are very vascular, and so any head injury at all bleeds fantastically. If the top of his ear got clipped, that would be enough to produce that much blood.

    BugKilla , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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  • Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    It’s not clear at all that that’s what happened. It is completely plausible that someone would shoot a firearm at a candidate in a hotly contested presidential election. Let wait for evidence to roll in yeah?

    ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

    You know for a fact that if the shoe were on the other foot, this is exactly the rhetoric we’d be hearing.

    Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    You’re right. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. But I still hold all parties to a standard of honest discourse.

    Lifecoach5000 ,

    Doesn’t make it right or acceptable.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    So let’s not do what they do and live in an evidence-based world and not an emotion-based one.

    The “facts don’t care about your feelings” party doesn’t care about facts and spends a lot of time on how their feelings are hurt.

    octopus_ink ,

    My evidence (in addition to the weirdness of his reaction, and the convenient blood) - has any article mentioned a shooter being seen/shot/arrested/known to exist? I can’t remember a time where there was a shooting and no article said ANYTHING about a shooter, only about the shots. Nothing could be better for the Trump campaign than for him to be “almost” assassinated.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Shooter dead and audience member killed

    A person believed to be a shooter at today’s Donald Trump Pennsylvania rally is dead, as well as an audience member in attendance, the Butler County District Attorney has said.

    In addition to the two fatalities, one other person is believed to be in a critical condition.

    news.sky.com/…/trump-shooting-latest-bloodied-tru…

    octopus_ink ,

    OK fair, I couldn’t find any such reference when I looked, but clearly did a shit job.

    I’m still not capable of believing anything in Trump’s life is genuine, so it still feels staged to me, but I acknowledge that my evidence has been debunked.

    Still true that the Yall’qaeda are going to go into overdrive and I fear for what they do in their bloodlust…

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Sure. It could have been faked.

    On the other hand, if I was an unhinged person with a gun and I thought there was a good chance a fascist dictator might run the U.S., I might be inclined to try to do something about it.

    There’s no reason not to rule something like that out.

    nickhammes ,

    Yeah the truth is we don’t know. There are lots of possible causes we can’t rule out at this point, it seems dangerous for a publicity stunt, but it’s possible. Someone afraid and somewhat unhinged, among other possibilities.

    WanderingVentra ,

    Wonder if this should be posted as a new article to the news communities? It’s important, more relevant information.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Unfortunately that’s just one update on a page with regular updates. You would have to find a better link.

    catloaf ,

    Bruh it happened like an hour ago. But news stories about the shooter being killed are coming out now.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Yes it would be the case. Should we start behaving like right wing conspiracy theorists now?

    Cryophilia ,

    Yeah but that’s because Republicans are fuckin idiots

    retrospectology ,
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    I wouldn’t be surprised either way, honestly. It would be the right timing for a false flag though for sure.

    But then on the other hand this is the prescribed treatment for tyrants, per our fore-bearers.

    bolexforsoup , (edited )

    You’re doing what they do.

    BugKilla ,
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    Yes. You are correct. On reflection I should have put quotes around it as it was intented to convey that but not actually imply that it was the case. It is good you called it out.

    shortypants ,

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  • enleeten , to news in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    You know it was Rudy

    cabron_offsets ,

    Couldn’t be, he’s too busy selling handies behind the Wendy’s dumpster.

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