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TokyoMonsterTrucker , to memes in oof

Worse: you’re a DJ in 1998 and spend $12 for a 6 minute B-side.

julianwgs , to memes in oof

It‘s 2023, you can still listen to the same shitty music, because it is yours to keep.

zammy95 ,

I’m assuming you’re saying still listen to the same shit music you BOUGHT back then?

abraxas ,

The sad truth. I threw out my CD binders at least 10 years ago. I still have some of that uploaded to the cloud, but I’ve swapped provider a few times and probably lost some.

And more often, I Just listen on spotify or youtube music.

julianwgs ,

Yes, the comment was meant as criticism of the streaming era packaged as a joke

RickyRigatoni , to memes in oof
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.

Your computer now has a rootkit installed.

foggy ,

“most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”

-sony’s response

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.

hackris ,

And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”

You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.

So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.

Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.

That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Ugh. As in blaming someone, casting aspersions on them for something that isn’t their fault or responsibility. Words broaden in meaning. If you’re going to quibble about semantics, I got nothing to say to you.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?

I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?

hackris ,

I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.

The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like vanguard.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

yeah maybe just design proper authoritive server

Cort ,

Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own

aniki ,

Viva la Gamespy!

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map

explodicle ,

I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.

schmidtster ,

Or they just haven’t been caught yet.

It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.

explodicle ,

Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.

schmidtster ,

Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was recently detected.

Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for.

AVincentInSpace ,

Wait, what malware was that?

schmidtster ,

Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.

tacosanonymous , to memes in Your wildest fantasies come true in the holodeck

Wtf? Take a breather, Janeway.

hunter2 , to memes in Look, a keystone species

What a hero, single-handedly counteracting deforestation. You go squirrel man, you go!

Norgur , to memes in Look, a keystone species

"Accidentally"
"Forgetting"

ikapoz , to memes in Look, a keystone species

Acorn trees? You mean oak trees?

Sammy ,
@Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The ones that make acorns. Acorn tree. ‘S got acorns on it, what else do you call it?

Track_Shovel OP ,

Bruh, I know the difference, and you know the difference, but the person I shamelessly stole this meme from doesn’t. Please file your concerns with them.

SexyTimeSasquatch ,

By reposting the meme, you have implicitly accepted full responsibility for it’s content. That’s like rule 7 of the Internet or something.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Please file your complaint with someone who gives a shit

lugal ,

Fight Club Rule 7: Fights will go on as long as they have to.

Track_Shovel OP ,

You’re right, but I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again - they can’t all be winners.

KISSmyOS ,

Rule 7 is “Anonymous is still able to deliver”.
archive.org/stream/…/RulesOfTheInternet..txt

Stumblinbear ,
@Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

I’VE ALWAYS LIKED RULE 39

thefartographer ,

To whomever it may concern:

The fuck is that???

curiousaur ,

Here’s your dunce cap: ∆

duckington ,

Haha yes indeed therein lies the humor ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

CoolMatt ,

I interpreted it to be from the squirrel’s perspective. Let alone miraculously knowing what an acorn and a tree are called, how do you expect a squirrel to know it’s an Oak tree?

Squirrel , to memes in Look, a keystone species
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

That was the goal all along.

RadButNotAChad , to memes in oof

Napster was reparations for Soul Asylums Strangers With Candy album.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

For me, it's every Metallica album after Justice For All, and Lars Ulrich can definitely fuck off.

Eczpurt , to memes in Look, a keystone species

Squirrels in it for the long con.

scytale , to memes in oof

When people who didn’t like rock/metal bought an Extreme album because they thought all the songs were like More Than Words.

BruceTwarzen ,

I'll never forget walking into a record store, looking at a cannibal corpse album. The guy working there looked at me and said if i want the album for free. I was a teen with like 9 dollars to my name so i said of course, thank you. When i asked why he said: because it FUCKING SUCKS.

teamevil ,

Fuck off…Butchered at Birth fixed all the shitty alternative albums with one hit. Fuck off Letters to Cleo

Peaty ,

While the shred guitar nerds were wondering what the fuck Nuno Bettancourt was playing with that track.

DmMacniel , to memes in oof

in 1999 you had the ability to get into a music shop, load the cd and test listen to it. Or just go through the music charts. Or wish for a specific song on radio.

Also 1999 already had Napster, Morpheus and others.

Gurfaild ,

In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.

BruceTwarzen ,

A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.

Track_Shovel OP ,

I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…

DharmaCurious ,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.

Lileath ,
@Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.

Getawombatupya ,

“Old or poor…”

Lileath ,
@Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.

Getawombatupya ,

Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media

grue ,

Also 1999 already had Napster

Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.

schmidtster , (edited )

You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.

Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……

Enkers ,

Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.

Kimjongtooill ,

Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.

captainlezbian ,

They do really grow on you

bobs_monkey ,

They get up again

Polar ,

We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.

Enkers ,

Haha, definitely a possibility!

I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.

errer ,

Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?

schmidtster ,

Nope, not every place had the money to burn a cd from every artist.

explodicle ,

You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.

schmidtster ,

I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.

Franconian_Nomad ,

There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.

But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.

TropicalDingdong ,

Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?

Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.

But yeah. It was me.

schmidtster ,

I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.

Peaty ,

Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.

teamevil ,

I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine

thelsim ,
@thelsim@sh.itjust.works avatar

God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.

SpaceNoodle ,

Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.

CylustheVirus ,

Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.

DmMacniel ,

That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD

Getawombatupya ,

Format C:, Reinstall XP

DmMacniel ,

In 1999? Uuuuh.

ViscloReader , to memes in Look, a keystone species

But not for you, only for your grand x 100 children

Track_Shovel OP , (edited )

You don’t get a 250 year old forest in 25 years

Rivalarrival ,

Well, not with that attitude.

XbSuper ,

? I planted an oak tree when I was 6, it’s now over 40ft tall, and is currently dropping more acorns than the squirrels can handle. I’m 37 now for reference.

SugarSnack ,

Ever met a 30 year old squirrel? Idk to be honest I have no idea how long they live

XbSuper ,

5-10 years, I just looked it up. So 1st set of grandkids should be able to benefit, as it’s dropping acorns by year 10 or so

Piemanding ,

But they mature within a year. So a generation would be every year for squirrels.

backhdlp , to memes in oof
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No wonder piracy was so popular

noobdoomguy8658 ,

1999 piracy mostly consisted of paying for a pirated copy that someone decided to make profit off; most likely, they weren’t the person to make the (first!) copy, and they’re not even sure what’s on the thing they were selling you. It was mostly bootlegging.

grue ,

^ This guy was late to the Napster party.

TowardsTheFuture ,

Yeah I think maybe he meant before 1999. Before Napster(99)/limewire(2000)/morpheus(2001) pirating was bootlegged shit you paid (less) for. But yeah after 99 you got that shit for free on the internet.

ThirdWorldOrder ,

Most people were still buying CDs in 99. In ‘99, $10 for an album would have been a pretty sweet price. Tower Records, Best Buy cds were all like $17.99

TowardsTheFuture ,

Fair most CD’s I bought were like $13 I didn’t go to tower or best buy cuz nah

Confuzzeled ,

When I was a kid we still recorded stuff off the radio and copied our zx spectrum games on the family hi-fi. I’d say good times but it’s so much better now I can pirate everything in great quality from teh interwebs.

Selmafudd ,

My memory is a little fuzzy with dates but I’m pretty sure Napster was going full steam by '99 but even before that we used to trade mp3 files on mIRC or ICQ+CuteFTP, I had hundreds of albums I never paid for which I am still amazed I managed to do over a shared 56k connection

Getawombatupya ,

Like buying a game CD and a warez copy bypass and the crew doing an ASCII art walk through, bought for $5 from a classmate

Or shareware floppy disks with copyright bypass

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

In the pre-Internet early 90s, CDs were $15-25 (with inflation, about $40 now)…. And for a lot of music, you had no way of hearing it first. Shoplifting was popular.

SternburgExport ,

At least later on a lot of shops had these listening stations.

7u5k3n ,

Man came here to say this… Hell I was in a class action lawsuit in the early 2000s because of CD pricing. billboard.com/…/cd-price-fixing-suit-settled-for-…

Shit was super expensive back in the day.

But as weird Al says… How else is he going to get a diamond encrusted swimming pool?

ThirdWorldOrder ,

That’s why I always wore my umbro shorts with the inner liner before I went to Walmart

kratoz29 ,

For real… I never had this problem before… Currently I’m a proud Spotify user.

Blackmist , to memes in *Mom plugs in the Flowbee*

This haircut makes my eyes rain!

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