This. You can’t forget what their plan was. They changed course somewhat, but Kamala is the never-Trump candidate. I expect her to do better than Biden, but they are still full of shit.
Most of us have told you tons of fucking times that we didn’t care who they ran, we were voting AGAINST Trump, not FOR Biden.
And now that you have the opportunity to vote for someone who can actually beat Trump, you’re angry.
Why do always make shit up?
If you haven’t noticed people on lemmy who were insisting that it had to be Biden because no one else could exceed his polling, you haven’t been on lemmy for a while.
Only, we’re not not voting. So…. I guess you don’t really get your way. Do you?
Check my comment history. I’m overjoyed that we have a better candidate now. Seems like the party is with me.
Of course, you’re not. Try to avoid the urge to write in Bidenyahu.
The party listened to people like me who wanted Biden to step down. They ignored the calls to maintain an untenable status quo from people who swore there would be chaos immediately upon Biden quitting the race.
The results speak for themselves. There’s genuine excitement behind Harris that wasn’t there for Biden. There’s hope again.
Dude…. You constantly create strawmen arguments out of what people say to you- then attack the false narrative you’ve made. Maybe i and everyone else that’s tired of your bullshit attack you for having suggested we support genocide just because we were trying to avoid Trump.
Additionally, Biden stepping down doesn’t make you right about anything you accused him of.
What happened after Biden stepped down indicates that I was right about him stepping down.
I’m glad he stepped down. You clearly aren’t.
You can no longer pretend that my opposition to the Bidenyahu genocide is because I want Trump to win, because we have a better, less genocidey candidate now. A candidate you didn’t want.
Other polls I had seen just yesterday (likely collected before Biden dropping out was a reality) still had Trump with a 1% or more lead over Harris, so they’re really all over the place and I wouldn’t trust them for much, even up to and including election day. I’m not breathing a sigh of relief until victory is declared, and even then, I wouldn’t be so sure.
100% agree. Polls also don’t really account for voter suppression tactics, or gerrymandering and other GOP fuckery, so absolutely vote because our democracy is literally at stake here.
Our future generations will be impacted by the outcome of this specific election.
To be fair, your vote statistically doesn’t matter in some states. I’ll make a bet with somebody that if I don’t vote in my state it won’t change anything.
Federal, maybe, but it’s still important to vote for down ticket races, and your presidential vote can at least be a statistic toward the popular vote count. I get what you mean though, I’m from a consistently blue state.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Your vote matters down-ballot. Your vote matters for a mandate. Your vote matters because you will pay attention. The trick is to get people to feel the way you do so they can rule you.
I would argue that even if your state is guaranteed to go one way or the other (aside from down ballot races which are obviously very important) there’s still value in voting for president, if only to illustrate the discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral college. The higher we run up the margins, the more it makes it obvious to everyone that we need to ditch the electoral college.
I tend to wonder how these polls are conducted and who is answering them? Does anyone get polls via email or text? Are they still just calling people? I’m in my 40s and basically no one I know my age or younger answers numbers they don’t know anymore, and texts are ignored or flat out blocked because if you respond, they barrage you later, or at least that’s what we all assume.
So I’m not convinced polls have any bearing on what will happen anymore. VOTE!
Many call people, some online polls (using advertising with demographic targeting), some emails to various news list subscribers, some in person polling, etc. It’s definitely harder these days to get accurate numbers because fewer responders means self imposed selection bias by those answering, which can correlate to the answers you get in unpredictable ways.
The mainstream professional polls have been reliable for some time. They typically get within 2-3pt margin of error when taken a few days before the election, and they serve as a useful bellweather to track public sentiment. In this case, it appears jettisoning Biden is bringing voters back to the Dem fold. That’s what Dems were banking on, and I’d consider it a good thing given how much I don’t want Trump to be President.
Vote like they don’t exist.
People who obsessively follow polling are the ones most likely to vote.
Stepping aside may honestly be the single greatest show of leadership Biden has done in his lifetime. If the polls are swinging, it’s as much due to him making such a historical and respectable move as it is people surprised and refreshed by Kamala Harris.
Harris, whose campaign says she has secured the Democratic nomination, led Trump 44% to 42% in the national poll, a difference within the 3-percentage-point margin of error.
National polls go beyond meaninglessness and into actual harm. The national popular vote does not elect the president, as we all should know too well. My vote in Illinois is worth far less than someone's vote in Wyoming. Your vote in California is worth far less than someone's vote in Alaska.
Unless a national poll weights responses based on state, and based on the electoral college results from states, it is completely misleading.
Well yeah, that would be a disappointment to anyone, he lost in a popularity contest by 3 million votes to Hillary fucking Clinton. He absolutely deserves to feel bad about it and I hope he remembers every day that he wouldn’t have won if it weren’t for the electoral college.
This sub hates the following message. That’s why it comes today instead of yesterday.
Focus on loyalty to ideology, not party affiliation. Left ideology has been most consistently expressed by the Green Party platform (Sanders watered it down, twice). They’ve lots of problems. But, they’re incredibly loyal to the platform.
If the Green Party gets 5% of the general election vote then they’ll be on every ballot in '28. The Democrats can’t silence the platform choice in primaries as they did twice to Sanders. This would place an incredible amount of pressure on Democrats immediately and be passively sustained for four years.
In a purple state I’d vote Democrat POTUS for harm reduction. In a blue state it’d depend on the situation. But, in a red state, I risk absolutely nothing by not for voting harm reduction.
We’re the only ones completely free to act for the long term. The blue wave thinks we’re too stupid to understand nuance. Political parties don’t deserve your loyalty. We need be loyal to each other, especially when we’re hated for our choices.
Just saw Oklahoma has one of the lowest voter turn outs in the nation. With Tulsa and Oklahoma city it’s more progressive than most people realize. We’ve just got to get out and vote and convince those around us to do the same. I know we have the numbers to win local elections.
Just saw Oklahoma has one of the lowest voter turn outs in the nation.
Probably because you’re not allowed to vote if someone from your party isn’t running. We have a county sheriff race that was just decided by drawing a name out of a hat. Dems didn’t get a vote.
Lots of downticket races can be swung by a popular presidential nominee.
That said, Oklahoma’s awash in O&G money and its state bureaucrats are notoriously corrupt. At some point, the sheer volume of gerrymandering, vote caging, and criminal disenfranchisement needs to be addressed. Simply shouting at people to “GO VOTE!” when they’re getting handed broken machines and defective butterfly ballots and threatening robocalls isn’t helping anyone, least of all the candidates they’re hoping will win.
This sub hates the following message. That’s why it comes today instead of yesterday.
Focus on loyalty to ideology, not party affiliation. Left ideology has been most consistently expressed by the Green Party platform (Sanders watered it down, twice). They’ve lots of problems. But, they’re incredibly loyal to the platform.
If the Green Party gets 5% of the general election vote then they’ll be on every ballot in '28. The Democrats can’t silence the platform choice in primaries as they did twice to Sanders. This would place an incredible amount of pressure on Democrats immediately and be passively sustained for four years.
In a purple state I’d vote Democrat POTUS for harm reduction. In a blue state it’d depend on the nuance of the situation. But, in a red state, I risk absolutely nothing by not for voting harm reduction.
We’re the only ones completely free to act for the long term. The blue wave thinks we’re too stupid to understand nuance. Political parties don’t deserve your loyalty. We need be loyal to each other, especially when we’re hated for our choices.
From a Politico article, we can see how the Russians are starting to talk about Harris. The Republicans aren’t usually far behind…
“Kamala with the nuclear button is worse than a monkey with a grenade,” Andrei Sidorov, the dean of the global politics department at Moscow State University (a once highly respected institution) said Sunday evening on state television’s prime weekly talk show.
It’s been a delight watching them flail uselessly. They knew they might have Harris as an opponent from the instant someone as old as Biden selected her for VP. They’ve had all this time to do oppo research and focus group what is likely to stick.
All their arguments against Biden evaporated into nothingness the instant he bowed out and they are completely unprepared to run against Harris.
They counted on Biden being a stubborn idiot and staying in the race and didn’t have a backup plan.
Polls mean nothing, the trends on polls aren’t guaranteed if people get complacent and don’t turn out. Voter apathy is the worst thing that can happen to Dems in this election
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