If there’s one dish where I feel it’s a waste to eat animal meat, it’s hamburgers. Vegetarian alternatives have come a long way and in a burger they’re often the superior option.
There’s a small difference for sure, but the BM patties are far from inferior. And much of the difference is masked by condiments anyway.
Still silly to pay more for it. If you’re mincing meat you can just add whatever fat ratio you want to it without having to overpay about 10x for the privilege.
It’s not just the fat content. Wagyu fat renders differently and has a different flavour.
You could keep trimmings from wagyu cuts to mix in with the minced meat, but yeah, it would be lost in a burger. Better off rendering the trimmings down to make tallow.
The ones I’ve had are usually similar price to the other burgers or a very slight increase and the patty quality was definitely better. If the price difference was like between wagyu steak and normal, I’d never even consider it.
At Costco the ground wagyu is cheaper than the regular ground beef. I use it in cooking rice dishes and the fat does give it a nicer flavor. Also appreciate that wagyu is sold in 1lb packs vs. 1.33 lbs for the Kirkland brand.
I personally think like the complete opposite - if there’s anything that’s a waste, it’s a beyond meat burger, because veggie burgers are like, really fucking good. Why on earth would you settle for an inferior pretend product when you can instead have a really good thing that’s not pretending to be something else?
Miss me with that fake meat stuff and bring back actual veggie burgers! I got a real nice sweet potato and refried black bean one I’ve been working on for a while now
It's def subjective but I've never been a fan of the blackened bean burger as a hamburger replacement. I wasn't that impressed with the bm burgers but the impossible burgers are a fine replacement imho.
This isn’t a hamburger replacement this is a homemade burger where the beans taste like beans and are mainly there because I like homemade refried beans and thought they’d be good as a burger
Also impossible burger beyond meat sale difference. It’s all fake meat that could be better replaced with something that just isn’t pretending to be anything
I tell meat eaters and vegetarians the same thing about this.
“Do not compare this to the best meat hamburger you ever had. Instead pretend its a completely new food that you’ve never tried.”
Treat it like a protein option and stop trying to force it to be just like something else. It is very similar to meat in many ways, but it isn’t meat. I don’t consume much advertising so I don’t know if the companies are selling it and saying that it’s indistinguishable.
100% agree. The imitation methods used in all of the vegan “meat” products just are not near good enough. My ex made me try a bunch, they varied from a little off to just plain gross. Even though I approached each one with an open mind, not a single one was enjoyable. It was actually really hard to keep an open mind after a while, having been either disappointed or disgusted 100% of the time in the past.
However, chickpea patties? Delicious. Black bean burgers? They’re usually pretty decent too. There was one veggie burger we tried that had portobello mushrooms as the main ingredient, and it was the most delicious veggie burger I’ve ever had, hands down. It was so savory and juicy, and the texture was excellent.
I just wish these companies would just focus on plant based products with great taste as their main goal rather than trying to imitate meat, because they’re just so astonishingly terrible at it.
I’ve just realised that most people kinda just add the beans in direct which isn’t what I meant. Whoops - yeah nah I turn them into refried beans and add them in. Directly throwing in black beans never seems to work in my opinion. Also a big fan of just like, making a really big aloo Tika (an Indian potato cake) and using it as a burger. They’re really good and the burger king where I live used to actually sell them as their main veggie option before BM muscled all the decent veggie options out. Falafel burgers are also really good, but alas they’re kinda a lot of work because of all the soaking and deep frying.
My holy grail of veggie burgers is this one spinach burger I had all the time as a kid because they always had leftovers of them at school sausage sizzles and I’d get the extras for free. It was probably some deep freeze bulk thing but goddamnit one day I’ll make a spinach burger that doesn’t taste like some sort of goddawful diet thing.
Also honestly in general fake meat in general just does not do it for me. I’d rather eat a dish that’s veggie and works with that to make something different and good instead of trying to make a subpar copy.
Meh, I don't like mushrooms and really don't like the black bean burgers and haven't liked any other veggie burger I've tried, but the Impossible ones I can hardly tell the difference from cow, so ... why wouldn't I choose the impossible when given the opportunity?
So, for me, I guess the answer is that if I want a burger, I want a burger, why would I go for something that doesn't taste anything like a burger?
Because there’s like a difference between a beef burger and the platonic idea of a burger. Like if I say I want a burger, you’re not going to fault me for buying a chicken burger are you? Even though it doesn’t taste anything like a regular beef burger? Same deal with veggie burgers. Meanwhile if I order a burger that looks like beef with the expectation that it will taste like beef, I’m going to be upset when it doesn’t taste like a nice beef burger but instead a rather shitty one
Also there’s tons of veggie burgers out there, maybe you just gotta try some that aren’t like, the weird “healthy” options that dominate the search results. Stuff like a big ol’ falafel in a bun or deep fried aloo tika.
…also I don’t actually like beef burgers that much
you’re not going to fault me for buying a chicken burger are you?
There are TONS of people who will do that exact thing. what is or is not a sandwich or burger (is a burger a type of sandwich?) for some reason is a stupidly contentious topic that people feel passionate about.
People take labels and their individual expectations of that label pretty emotionally.
Makes me wonder why they didn’t start with beyond meat sausage. The seasoning would cover any difference in flavor and the texture would be a lot easier to disguise
I’m genuinely baffled at the idea that beyond meat can be seen as remotely as good as a beef burger. It is VERY different. Albeit an okay replacement in a lot of senses, it just can never be as good as a traditional beef burger. Generally I wish I could be vegetarian but beef burgers would be by far the worst part for me if I had to give up meat…
While I agree that beef burgers are great and that beyond meat just isn't the same, I think it's also important to remember that the second best thing to going vegetarian is eating less meat.
Yeah I agree. I do eat veggie burgers from time to time and enjoy them. I just take issue with the claim that these replacements are " just like meat". It’s not, and that’s ok
IMO how things taste varies wildly from person to person. To me Beyond burger has a weird flavor that I dislike that never goes away.
Impossible burgers are a much better meat replacement to my taste buds. They’re still not 100%, there’s always a bite or two at the start were they taste off, but after that they taste pretty much like a cheap hamburger.
I was with you until you mentioned Beyond Meat. BM is just nasty, and bears no taste or texture resemblance to meat at all. That might be ideal for vegans, but it won’t win over any omni or carnivores.
Impossible is a different story. I can make smash burgers with that stuff that are utterly indistinguishable from a real burger. It won’t trick anyone in a meatloaf but for a burger, it’s pretty impressive.
I mostly agree. The impossible burgers are great, much better than I expected! I wanted to try the Beyond Meat burgers to compare… yeah they aren’t as good. I wouldn’t cal them nasty, but for sure inferior to the Impossible burgers.
Impossible burgers taste better, look better, and could easily be mistaken for real meat. I also really like the at they are meant to be cooked from frozen. Just 4min per side in the skillet and it’s about perfect. I cook it with some Worcestershire sauce and that kicks it up a notch!
The BM burgers say they need to be defrosted before cooking. I’m not about to do that because it’s a lot of time and planning. I cook them from frozen and they kinda turn out a bit mushy.
When is the last time you had a Beyond Burger? For a while they were salty af and pretty gross. Just got more from Costco and I would say they are better than Impossible Burgers.
Beyond is just a slightly better evolution of the old Boca burgers. Still meh and you know in one second it’s not beef. If beef like was what you were going for, you’re boned. If not meat and it doesn’t matter, it’s fine
My first impossible burger was in a real burger restaurant (that’s all they cooked) and I had to verify that it wasn’t a regular burger
The difference is most certainly not small. It’s very noticeable. I also love the veggie options, but your position is kind of like saying:
If there’s one dish where I feel it’s a waste to eat animal meat fusilli, it’s hamburgers pasta. Vegetarian alternatives Spaghetti has come a long way and in a burger pasta dish, they’re often the superior option.
At least this is a minority opinion. I rely on the availability of meat products to eat. I cannot process carbs or sugars and they make me incredibly sick even legumes and tubers, whole grains etc. Fruit also. It triggers insane inflammation that I can only hold at bay with benadryl and that’s not safe to use habitually.
It’s meat, low lactose dairy, fish, eggs, greens for me and when I do break my diet to have a delicious slice of my boyfriend’s pepperoni pizza I am disabled for a day or more. I need to be able to work otherwise I wouldn’t care if I were bedridden from including carbs and sugars in my diet. I personally don’t believe there’s anything wrong with eating meat as I was raised along side sheep eating lamb and baby birds. No question about it that any other predator on the planet wouldn’t think twice about eating me ass first. I’m OK being part of the food chain.
It makes sense if you read “I can only” as “I’m only allowed to”. The AI wants to write you a story about a snail, but it can only do that while obeying the letter of the law.
I’m more worried than usual, because the GOP is backing him so hard. He’s going to try and delay all verdicts until 2025 by having his lawyers issue motions and objections. If Trump wins, it’s without question he’ll try to pardon himself (and likely fail) or will direct the attorney general to drop all pending cases. We literally could lose American democracy this time around.
He would absolutely be able to self-pardon for any federal crimes he was already convicted of were he to win. It is unlikely that he will be convicted in any state cases (NY or Georgia) before the election. How ongoing criminal cases in state court would play out were he elected remains to be seen, but he would certainly direct the DOJ to stop any criminal proceedings in federal court.
You are absolutely correct that democracy as we know it is at stake in this election, and I sincerely hope that people understand how deadly serious the stakes are if Trump is allowed to reclaim the Presidency. There would need to be serious organization surrounding a general strike, and the use of other collective actions by the citizens in this country as a mechanism to oppose the dismantling of the United States as we know it.
Nobody can self pardon due to a longstanding precolonial rule that you can’t be your own judge. He’ll try anyway, and dare anyone to defy him. It will go to Supreme Court and it’s unclear how they will rule.
Very interesting, thanks for the information. I will have to do some additional research on this then. I don’t think anybody should be able to pardon themselves, and one would think the Supreme Court would not be on favor of that either since it would create precedent superseding judicial authority which they won’t like. It’s all a convoluted mess, that’s for damn sure.
Well, if he is elected president then he would be able to direct the DOJ to have the Federal Bureau of Prisons let him out. The President doesn’t have direct control over the state criminal justice systems, so he would have a more difficult time getting himself released from State Prison. It would have to go through the appeals process, which would ultimately end up in the Supreme Court one way or another. If they choose not to take the case, and all the previous lower courts had ruled to hold him in prison then he would stay in prison.
And you know that, if he’s elected President again, he’ll ensure that his Justice department will bring cases against everyone he doesn’t like in venues favorable to him.
He’ll open a federal case in Texas against Joe Biden. The charges? Election interference. The proof? Nonexistent. But the Trump appointed judge will find Biden guilty.
Either that or Trump will just send people to prison “pending trial” and will refuse to release them when ordered to.
Ah yeah they should’ve just done the American thing instead and bulldozed the whole strip of town to put in a 20 lane wide interstate with a Bucees and Walmart/s
I think this is my first time seeing the “/s” on lemmy. And I really hope it doesn’t follow users here. We fully understood the sarcasm without it. It was honestly so much more a statement with ironic wording than it was even sarcasm.
I feel like we’re better than this. We can’t complain about Hollywood and advertising dumbing everything down to the level they think we need and then turn around and spoon feed each other the most basic forms of speech.
You might be able to easily spot sarcasm, but not everyone is blessed with that ability. Many autistic people, for instance, struggle to detect sarcasm. And comments being text only makes it harder. “/s” is an accessibility tool and implying that using these tools is “dumbing down” communication is honestly a very shitty move.
Beyond autism, that /s has become all the more necessary these days in the wake of this huge wave of anti-intellectualism. Outside of private circles, it's so hard now to tell the difference between absurd sarcasm and the genuinely ignorant takes some people proudly share, there's too much of an overlap between the two lol
Autistic person here, yeah I can’t read tone for shit through text sometimes, and especially online you never can tell if and when someone’s being serious.
I fully get and embrace inclusivity/accessibility but it’s starting to get to the point where people genuinely get super angry if they don’t get a joke or something and somehow that’s everyone elses fault. Like, it’s ok if you didn’t pick up on a joke. It’s not the end of the world. Every joke isn’t gonna be a reference or tone that you pick up on right away. Just delete your reactionary comment if it was cringy and learn from it. It’s not that big of a deal. I don’t know why people act like it is. It’s mildly embarrassing at most if you miss sarcasm and it’s pointed out to you later. Your comments aren’t critically important. Just wait for context or ask for it before popping off it’s not that deep lol
It’s sometimes impossible to detect sarcasm from just text, that’s why Poe’s law exists. You may be good at understanding sarcasm and satire, but some people aren’t and putting /s is making sure that everyone understands instead of just you.
I feel you on the dumbing down part though, but I think sarcastic comments are not a form of media that must be left only to be enjoyed by the people who are “better than this”.
I mean… They don’t have to be left to anyone. Is it really that hard to ask for or wait for more context before popping off? If I misunderstand sarcasm I just say oh oops I misunderstood my bad and move on with my day. It’s such a non-issue.
What people call „Rhine“ is a heavily straightened and channelized artificial water road.
Especially in the 19th century they cut off many loops and bends to make it more accessible for ships, to make the land useable and to get rid of flooding (narrator: „it didn’t work“):
If threads scoops up all the people who turned twitter and reddit into celebrity gossip meme ghettos and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool then everybody wins
To me, a Linux user, Apple is more of a jail or a pusher. I don’t want to use it because of lock in. Oh, you have an iPod? It’s much better with a Mac. An iPhone? All your friends should also have it, and now we have this special app you can only use properly with other apple users.
Was going to say that I don't have the energy to be passionate about anything these days, but then I realised I'm quite happy - almost passionate, you might say - to turn that dispassion towards large organisations like Microsoft.
Main reason I started using Linux on my computers a few years ago. I also learned some shocking things about privacy that made me wanna switch. Linux runs most stuff someone not in another weird niche could ever want nowadays anyway.
The funny thing about apple is just how far they’ve moved away from Jobs’ “vision”.
It was clearly evident when they released the Apple Pencil. Jobs hated Stylus’. one of the reasons he killed the newton, and a reason why the iphone/ipad never originally had one as he was quoted as saying “why would I need a stylus? I have 5 of them on my hand”
I mean Apple is like a cult that worship a dead god who would burn current Apple to the ground and start over if he came back.
Steve jobs also hated keyboards, or at least all the F1-12 keys because “nobody needs them”
About the “5 stylus on my hand”, it really feels like he only ever cared about the lowest common denominator when it came to usability and function. Yes, you have 5 fingers, but to this day fingers lack precision on touch screens, while a pencil stylus is as precise as it can get.
The function keys allow you to access extra features or shortcuts in programs that most people don’t ever use or don’t know might make them slightly quicker if they use the program a lot.
Steve Jobs only seemed to believe in supporting input methods he thought seemed most convenient for most people. Anything else was needlessly complicated and a waste of space. Some of his ideas about that come across as unusual, especially when things like space aren’t as limited.
Jobs also believed that 3.5" was the perfect touchscreen size for the human hand, neglecting the fact that (a) the human hand size varies drastically and (b) people are willing to trade ergonomic perfection for more screen estate because it’s more usable that way.
That is the first rock to be picked up, carried for a year, and deposited elsewhere on the same not-Earth planet, by humans via the rover. That rock would never have ended up where it did were it not for chance human intervention.
Rock moving has been a part of our existential comfort/answer/justification for so long that now we are even having a joy out of it when we can do it on another planet.
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