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StaySquared ,

Meh… who cares. Stop wasting your time watching the olympics. It’s a fkin circus to keep you mindlessly entertained while politicians are fkin you - figuratively.

PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

They just hate women and more so if they aren’t white women.

qwerty ,

The right is ruining women sports… No wonder the left is so disconnected from reality with this astral plane traversing level of projection.

Lemmygradwontallowme ,
@Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net avatar

smuglord

You didn’t even address the argument on Imane Khalef, ye sack of shite

qwerty ,

What argument? Most of the article says “Everyone who disagrees with me is a far right gender fascist and also for some reason racist and I’m right because science (I didn’t care to link to) says so, trust me bro.”

The only half viable arguments provided (and I’m really reaching here) can be easily debunked.

She was assigned female at birth.

Sex is assigned at birth based on external characteristics aka primary reproductive organs, you can’t tell someone has internal testes, xy chromosomes or abnormally high testosterone levels just by looking at them.

She is eligible according to the Olympic rules.

The Olympic rules that were changed recently by removing the requirements for testosterone level within a certain range, the same reason why she was deemed illegible to compete by International Boxing Association just a year earlier, who is way more qualified to set fair and safe boxing rules then the International Olympic Committee by their own admission (PDF warning). Clearly we can’t say that it’s 100% fair and safe for her opponents.

She has lost before

I’m a guy and I’m 99% sure I would loose to a pro female boxer in the same weight class, because I have 0 training or experience, but I’m also 99% sure I would do way better than a girl with 0 training or experience. Loosing doesn’t mean you don’t have an unfair advantage.

Even using the lefts’ own logic, if sex is a spectrum and she as someone who’s intersex is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, isn’t it unfair and unsafe for either her or her rivals to fight each other when they’re so far apart on the thing that’s so detrimental to defining ones’ physical capabilities?

TheDeed ,
@TheDeed@hexbear.net avatar

countdown

AFC1886VCC ,

I was hoping that was a countdown to nuclear annihilation

Nakoichi ,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

I ain’t reading all that go back to reddit dweeb.

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

jagoff

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

That’s a lot of text, let me use AI to condense it.

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Lemmygradwontallowme , (edited )
@Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net avatar

Sex is assigned at birth based on external characteristics aka primary reproductive organs, you can’t tell someone has internal testes, xy chromosomes or abnormally high testosterone levels just by looking at them.

Yuh, I suppose that much… but if you want, ye can do the examinations yourself… maybe show me your balls, cabron

The Olympic rules that were changed recently by removing the requirements for testosterone level within a certain range, the same reason why she was deemed illegible to compete by International Boxing Association just a year earlier

Hmm, and why is that?

Testosterone Levels: Previously, transgender women had to demonstrate lower testosterone levels for 12 months before competing.

There seems to be other factors to consider, than just testosterone, man

Besides, um, the IBA didn’t even test for testosterone (still, if they at least make the results public, I’d understand them)

In a statement this week, the IBA said the women did not “undergo a testosterone examination” but “a separate and recognized test.” The statement added that the test and results are “confidential.”

On the next argument

who is way more qualified to set fair and safe boxing rules then the International Olympic Committee by their own admission (PDF warning). Clearly we can’t say that it’s 100% fair and safe for her opponents.

Oh, don’t make laugh

Fed up by a history of judging and bribery scandals involving the IBA even before Kremlev was first elected as the organization’s president in 2020, the IOC took control of Olympic boxing at the Tokyo Games. It became suspicious when Kremlev spent heavily on marketing himself, lined up only one sponsor — Russian energy company Gazprom — and battled with Olympic leaders.

Next argument

I’m a guy and I’m 99% sure I would loose to a pro female boxer in the same weight class, because I have 0 training or experience, but I’m also 99% sure I would do way better than a girl with 0 training or experience. Loosing doesn’t mean you don’t have an unfair advantage.

Ok, fine, fair point, the lady’s had 50 matches, 37 wins, 9 lossesBesides, Amy Broadhurst, one of her past boxing opponents, says she’s not as unstoppable as SHe looks

However, how did Imane get her experience? By having to deal with boys trying to sock her for her skills in football

Even using the lefts’ own logic, if sex is a spectrum and she as someone who’s intersex is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, isn’t it unfair and unsafe for either her or her rivals to fight each other when they’re so far apart on the thing that’s so detrimental to defining ones’ physical capabilities?

Here… even if she was intersex, just consider this:

An example of DSD noted by the NHS states: “You or your child may have sex chromosomes (bundles of genes) usually associated with being female (XX chromosomes) or usually associated with being male (XY chromosomes), but reproductive organs and genitals that may look different from usual.”

This means even though someone may genetically be born with the “XY” typical male chromosomes, their body may not produce or respond to testosterone and they would develop more closely to a typical “XX” female.

You give me specific data on her chromosomes and testosterone, and maybe I’ll consider it

For example, he says that a female competitor could be categorized as having “high” testosterone when her levels are above 70 nanograms per deciliter of testosterone (ng/DL), but that might be only a single point above the normal range.

jsomae ,

As somebody who doesn’t care for sports, I always thought this xkcd was poignant:

steroids

That said, do we actually know she’s intersex?

I’m sorry people are just giving you troll answers, btw.

Facebones ,

Ive always had this feeling, increasingly validated lately, that there’s some weird push to invalidate all women that the right doesn’t find fuckable.

There’s all this coming after women for having T, and before the Olympics there’s been a rise in this “if you think this woman is attractive (generic female athlete), you’re GAY” Content.

boogetyboo ,
@boogetyboo@aussie.zone avatar

It’s really obvious when they’re having a go at cisgender white women about makeup or certain clothes or haircuts or body types. You always see the same comments explaining to women that they ackshually prefer ‘natural looks’ or less revealing clothing or long hair or ‘something to hold on to’.

It’s all through a lens of ‘why do you make choices about yourself that don’t improve your appeal to me, someone who wants to fuck you’.

That there are women that completely reject all those notions or don’t seek their opinions (women who are trans, women who aren’t hetero, women who reject traditional feminine looks, women who excel in their careers or physical sports) simply doesn’t compute with these people’s view of what women are.

The more malicious parts of that mindset lead to that push you’re talking about. We as women are still just something that needs to validate its existence. Any deviation from that is viewed as something that should never have existed at all.

NoiseColor ,

The worst thing to do is to pretend there is no issue. There is an issue, it’s an issue people get easily upset about. There has to be a precise way how to deal with it so there is no room for it being a political issue.

don ,

There should be a campaign to purge the right from, well, everything.

Lemmygradwontallowme ,
@Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net avatar

Hmmm… like an Anti-Rightist campaign? costanza-maoist

First, we seize their means

Then, then we cap them in the knees

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

there is, it’s just not going very well.

Olhonestjim ,

Mock them more.

qwerty ,

There were many throughout the years but they always end in authoritarianism, censorship, corruption, surveillance, povery, hunger, death and eventual collapse.

Lemmygradwontallowme ,
@Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net avatar

Tell me again why’d you left Reddit and went to here then?

qwerty ,

TLDR but I think I get the gist.

I know that lemmy devs are commies, doesn’t bother me. The idea that some technologies can or should be used only by some political factions is just dumb. I left reddit after the api changes because I’m not installing proprietary spyware on my phone. I also like the idea of a decentralized, community run social platform, ideally nostr based because I like the way nostr federation works better than the fediverse, where the user can choose which relays to connect to instead of their instance making that decision for them, but until there is a viable alternative with a larger community I’m here.

Kuori ,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

liberalism.jpg

ShimmeringKoi , (edited )
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Meanwhile, in reality and not the land of hilarious cope, this is what actually happens when you get rid of the right wing:

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/f36598e0-55ec-45aa-86e8-f7ba1fcae24e.png

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/dea59ac0-3344-4662-84b2-9107674632af.jpeg

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/9d45c4ba-58cd-43b2-9dd4-1affb11d5996.jpeg

The tapeworm sucking you dry says you’ll die without it, capitalists and their flunkies say the same thing. Society does not actually need a bunch of scared, bigoted adult children who never learned to share and who form lynch mobs at the drop of a hat:

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5f2d6a21-c95b-4bf0-ac47-46775b68d22e.jpeg

Bonus food fact: the communists are better nourished corn-man-khrush

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d3cea6f6-5245-412b-a7a1-8c4002b1047f.jpeg

spoilercostanza-maoist

systemglitch ,

What a shit website. Demands I sign up to read lol, uhh no? Ublock, you failed me.

cypherpunks OP ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

Really?! I have never seen a paywall there, and I usually access it using tor browser (so, coming from a variety of countries).

systemglitch ,

I’m using mobile. It’s a full screen for me, no way I can see to circumvent it.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

These people think she’s not fuckable so therefore she’s not a woman, and furthermore think women’s sports are worthless unless they see the athletes as fuckable. That’s it. It’s patriarchy with a new coat of paint.

The two genders: male and fuckable

thefartographer ,

You wouldn’t fuck a couch, would you?

Oh, you would? Then mind your own business.

TriPolarBearz ,

Hey, don’t kink shame.

Couches literally have more cushion for the pushin’

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Have some Lemmy Gold.
https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/16c3af82-a871-498d-a59c-92c2eb6d4127.png

soloner ,

I think it’s because they think the trans woman still has biologically male factors that make the competition not a competition.

qantravon ,

There is no trans woman in this case. A female boxer, born and raised as a woman, is being attacked and called a man. What OP is saying is that it’s basically because they don’t see her as attractive, and that’s definitely a major component of it.

What it comes down to is that they’re so obsessed with the idea of trans women that they start seeing them everywhere, and it usually comes down to someone not being quite feminine enough in some way, though there have been cases of people trying to claim some of the most conventionally attractive women in the world were secretly trans.

soloner ,

Have article that isn’t paywalled? I just read the preview before it cut me off and it seemed like it was about a trans woman

Canary9341 ,

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    David_Eight ,

    According to who?

    Perhapsjustsniffit ,

    This person on the internet told me…

    qantravon ,

    So, none of that is true. She may have high testosterone (which isn’t even confirmed), but none of what you said follows. That isn’t even how that works.

    sandbox ,

    youtu.be/GM-e46xdcUo?si=XkCknxsH1BD1Lyho

    qantravon ,

    washingtonpost.com/…/imane-khelif-algerian-boxer-…

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f75b194f-1291-4e63-8eea-6daa87752401.png

    “It remains unclear what standards Khelif and Lin Yu Ting of Taiwan failed last year to lead to the disqualifications.

    The IOC, which is overseeing the boxing competition in Paris, does not test for gender, and there never has been evidence that either Khelif or Lin had XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone. They have competed for years, including at the Tokyo Olympics and several world championships.”

    whydudothatdrcrane ,

    Are you forgetting the whole subculture of “transvestigation”? They were the Q-anon conspiracy theorists before Q-anon, and even Michelle Obama was claimed to be trans by this lot.

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    They think she’s not fuckable and therefore she’s not a woman. All the proof I need is the literal fact that she’s not trans.

    soloner ,

    Yeah fair enough. I looked her up on Wikipedia and verified. However she failed sex eligibility test in 2023 IBA.

    Khelif had been disqualified by the IBA hours before the gold medal match in 2023, reportedly for having high levels of testosterone.

    iAmTheTot , (edited )

    Worth noting that the IBA is not considered credible by the IOC, is considered highly influenced by Russian corruption, and that this failure came just after she defeated a Russian.

    Also, despite whatever tests she may have failed in the past, she passed eligibility tests to compete in these Olympics.

    David_Eight ,

    What tests did the Olympics do?

    FromPieces ,

    I know it involves a test of testosterone levels. I don’t know the limits of those tests, how much testosterone means a person isn’t a woman anymore.

    whydudothatdrcrane ,

    And as I read some where here, if testosterone levels is unfair advantage why aren’t there limits in the men’s league too? It is so just they police women bodies (cis and trans alike). Here is the original comment but I did not record the username, so sadly I can’t credit them

    If testosterone is a PED and it doesn’t matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it’s a sexist attempt to police women’s bodies. Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn’t.

    iAmTheTot ,

    …athlete365.org/qualification-system-and-rules/

    Also worth noting that anyone who thinks Algeria would send a trans woman to the Olympics is pretty ignorant.

    whydudothatdrcrane ,

    Yes, we were expecting a clue that transphobe halfwits are ignorant. Can they even define what trans is? I don’t think so.

    acosmichippo ,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    that’s the pretense, yes.

    D61 ,

    All they know is Foxy Boxing, Powderpuff Football, Women’s Track and Field, eat hot chip, and lie about a gender.

    barrbaric ,

    You forgot Women’s Beach Volleyball.

    D61 ,

    …

    I actually had that in the first draft of this comment but removed it for the less salacious “Track and Field”.

    whydudothatdrcrane ,

    Wasn’t this was the Ancient Greek version of gender?

    Collatz_problem ,

    Ancient Greeks considered men fuckable too.

    whydudothatdrcrane ,

    I see. “Men and/or fuckable” then

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