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prettydarknwild , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
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intrepid , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards

Have you noticed how the modern AI models absolutely tow the line of its creators? Just like this example, there’s another one where an image generator refuses to generate the image of Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie, even though its copyright expired recently. The same model has no problem violating the copyrights of independent artists.

And while these models can strictly refuse to avoid what its creators don’t want it to do, they fail at basic prompts like ‘show a black doctor’. These models are pathologically rife with biases from its creators.

dev_null ,

They are full of biases, and this example is clearly intended by the creators, but many biases are unintended. Google doesn’t have a secret agenda against black doctors, their AI is just biased and they haven’t figured out how to fix it. It’s not an excuse, but not all biases are there because of some evil plan, but because the tech sucks. Recent news show how Google tried to make their AI unbiased, which backfired and just made it even more biased in the other direction.

isVeryLoud ,

Thus far, AI seems to be a technology that will only help channel more wealth into the pockets of the rich, unfortunately.

Harbinger01173430 , to lemmyshitpost in Witty title

Who tf is that Harvey dude?

dylanTheDeveloper ,
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Idk but Twitter hates him so much lmao

Emerald ,

X might not though

Mr_Blott , to lemmyshitpost in Witty title

Dear Americans and, for some reason, French breakfast TV presenters. The Happy-Valley teeth are really fuckin weird. Please stop

funkajunk ,
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What are happy valley teeth?

harry_balzac ,

Maybe they mean uncanny valley? Or maybe referring to implants that are popular in places like Utah valley (home to a high population of extraordinarily superficial Mor[m]ons and high rates of antidepressant use), which is sarcastically called “Happy Valley.”

dylanTheDeveloper ,
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penquin , to lemmyshitpost in Witty title

Man, I laughed way more than I should at this. Lol

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  • penquin ,

    And the lips👄

    Fudoshin , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
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    Sounds like the average lemmy.ml user. Very quick to criticise the west. Completely ‘objective’ when discussing China.

    Snowpix ,
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    And very, VERY fond of genocide denial and whataboutism. They’re exhausting to talk to.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    I just ignore them

    franklin ,
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    I can’t speak to lemmy.ml but I can say despite having a lot of issues with China I also find it difficult to criticize because I never lived there or anywhere similar but criticizing and noting where the US can improve is something I’ve spent a lot of time to understand the nuances and challenges of.

    It’s not that I want to defend China just that I feel like I never have a great picture of what’s happening there.

    All this being said fuck them for their treatment of uighur muslims. That I do feel confident about.

    fushuan ,

    It’s not that they don’t criticise, it’s that when something negative shows up, they defend it showing several biased sources, as if they meant anything, or jump into whataboutism.

    Whenever someone posts something negative and promotes discussion or critique about it, lo and behold, see how this other country is also horrible and see the good things mine does. Like dude, cool, let us discuss this and you can create another post for those things. It’s pretty clear that they want to divert the conversation.

    Fudoshin ,
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    I’ve got a friend from Shenzhen who thinks Xi is the worst thing since Mao. If I said that to a lemmy.ml user I’d be banned from the instance.

    Hell, I got suspended for 4 days (and trolled to fuck) when I suggested someone was a tankie (literally a communist who believes in using tanks to kill people).

    Silly thing is I’m a fucking socialist! I believe in all the key tenets of socialism. But heaven forbid you criticise DPRK or China. They’ll chew you apart.

    There’s plenty of fucking countries where from socialism has worked and there’s plenty where some level of socialism currently works.

    I mentioned the Nordic Model and instead of them agreeing it was a good step they spent their time ‘educating’ me on how it’s not true socialism and it’s just as bad as the US.

    Fucking boggles the mind. They genuinely seem to think Stalin was a saint and Kim is a benevolent, democratically elected leader. If anyone thinks otherwise it’s due to Western propaganda.

    I know people living in China - they ain’t fucking happy!

    PlasticLove OP ,

    They either fall into two camps.

    50 centers paid or voluntold to spread the party line.

    Useful idiots who think in a binary West bad/Rest good mentality.

    Either way they’re tools of propaganda warfare.

    maynarkh ,

    Hell, I got suspended for 4 days (and trolled to fuck) when I suggested someone was a tankie (literally a communist who believes in using tanks to kill people).

    Silly thing is I’m a fucking socialist!

    The ironic thing is the origin of the word “tankie” relates to the revolutions of Hungarian and Polish communists against Soviet-Russian imperialism that was crushed by Soviet tanks. They were the ones in Western countries who were rooting for the tanks.

    Tankies are the enemies of actual communists. They don’t like the word because it reminds them of that, and the fact that communist revolutions were antagonized not just by the imperialistic US, but the imperialistic USSR as well.

    Brokenbutstrong , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards

    I asked my Perplexity AI and it was pretty fair:

    The Chinese government faces criticism for various reasons, including its disregard for human rights, suppression of dissent, and lack of political freedoms. Reports highlight abuses such as restrictions on religious freedom, persecution of ethnic minorities like the Uyghurs and Tibetans, censorship of media and online content, forced labor practices, and erosion of autonomy in regions like Hong Kong. The government’s actions have led to negative perceptions globally and increased scrutiny from international actors who have imposed sanctions to address human rights violations. Despite China’s economic growth, concerns persist about the government’s authoritarian control, lack of transparency, and repression of fundamental freedoms[2][3][4].

    Americans often associate China with its government’s policies, human rights issues, economy, and political system rather than its people or culture. Negative views towards China have intensified in recent years, with a majority expressing cold feelings towards the country[5].

    Sources [1] What the West Gets Wrong About China hbr.org/…/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china[2] China’s Disregard for Human Rights - United States Department of State …state.gov/chinas-disregard-for-human-rights/[3] World Report 2020: Rights Trends in China’s Global Threat to Human Rights www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/…/global[4] World Report 2022: Rights Trends in China www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/…/china-and-tibet[5] Most Americans Have ‘Cold’ Views of China. Here’s What They Think About China, In Their Own Words pewresearch.org/…/most-americans-have-cold-views-…

    By Perplexity at perplexity.ai/…/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2…

    Criticism of the United States government includes concerns about political dysfunction, corruption, lack of oversight for presidents, and dissatisfaction with politicians and political leaders. Specific criticisms encompass issues such as partisan fighting, high campaign costs, and the influence of special interest groups and lobbyists. Additionally, there are concerns about the lack of credibility and trust in politicians, with many Americans highlighting greed, corruption, dishonesty, and self-serving agendas as major problems within the political system[1][2][3][4].

    Americans have expressed frustration with the government’s performance, with dissatisfaction levels consistently high over the years. The public perceives a disconnect between political leaders and ordinary citizens, leading to a sense that the political system is broken and fails to represent the people effectively. These sentiments have been exacerbated by factors like polarization, distrust in government institutions, and a perceived inability to address pressing issues facing the nation[2][3][4].

    Sources [1] Criticism of the United States government - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/…/Criticism_of_the_United_States…[2] Government Remains Americans’ Top Problem in 2022 news.gallup.com/…/government-remains-americans-to…[3] American democracy is cracking. These forces help explain why. washingtonpost.com/…/american-democracy-political…[4] 1. The biggest problems and greatest strengths of the U.S. political system pewresearch.org/…/the-biggest-problems-and-greate…[5] Fixing What’s Wrong with U.S. Politics hbr.org/…/fixing-whats-wrong-with-us-politics

    By Perplexity at perplexity.ai/…/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2…

    ferralcat ,

    It’s weird the us but wouldn’t even mention human rights abuses perpetrated around the world.

    maynarkh ,

    It seems it is looking at it from a US perspective for both. For example, it also doesn’t really talk about the Belt and Road and Chinese neocolonialism in Africa, because the domestic problems China has got more airtime in US news. I guess that’s because fucking over Africans is not really a hard hitter since everyone does it.

    Showroom7561 , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards

    Just wait until AI starts rewriting history, changing historical facts, and purposely misinforms people.

    It’s only a matter if time before AI will deny the Holocaust, Black slaves in the US, and the numerous African genocides.

    const_void ,

    The Google chatbot is already doing just that.

    derpgon ,

    Not just that, remember it’s just an LLM. It quantifies which tokens (or words and letters, if you will) come up next. It doesn’t matter if it’s factual or fictional - if it’s good enough, it does that.

    LLMs are very confident in lying. I once asked it if there is a magic method to catch magic method calls in PHP - it told me its __magic. Lo and behold, there is and never was such a method. That’s my first and last time I tried it, and there ain’t gonna be a second time in the near future.

    SpaceCowboy ,
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    It can be useful in learning the basics of technology that’s completely unfamiliar to you.

    It’s kinda like how it’s fine to use a wikipedia article as a starting point for research on a subject. But it’s not a good idea to use wikipedia as an authoritative source on a subject.

    It’s also useful as a reminder for for technology you haven’t used in a while. You can fairly quickly get the ordering of the parameters of a well known method and be on your way a lot faster than a google search or going back through your code to find where you’ve done it before.

    It’s also good for mundane tasks like making a class that’ll handle a specific JSON request or handle some data coming from a table in the DB. You know the things where you’re just copying and pasting some property names and entering the corresponding types. Just put in “class for: {“blah”: 69 }” or whatever and save a little time.

    But yeah it’s not going to know anything too technical, it’s not going to know anything about less common problems, it’s not going to know the best algorithm to use, etc. But if you’re just using it for some basic ass shit, it works well enough.

    derpgon ,

    Wikipedia is usually sourced when it comes to scientific stuff, so it’s a reliable source of information (usually).

    But yeah, for simple and mundane stuff you can check and know instantly if it’s good or not, I totally understand. But for more complex or unknown advanced stuff, not so much.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    I asked Snapchats AI thing if it had internet. Yes, it very confidently proclaimed. This was around when Tears of the Kingdom had been released on the switch so I asked what the latest Zelda game was and it was something much much older. Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean anything so I kept prodding for other recent news and was provided nothing.

    My partner asked the same of it and was told very confidently that no, it does in fact not have access to the internet and proceeded to give some long-winded explanation of why.

    Can’t trust those things to say anything correct since they’re just doing what they’ve been constructed to do. String words together into sentences.

    helenslunch ,
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    Haha, just what happens when you create AI that exists in a fantasy world. You get fantastic (as in fantasy) results.

    iAvicenna ,
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    yea combined with the possibility that it will become the next generation’s go to source for easy info, we are screwed

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Cough 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre cough

    Showroom7561 ,

    Chinese AI bot says “what”?

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Your computer just explodes killing you instantly.

    What a tragic accident…

    Showroom7561 ,

    That’s the Russian chatbot.

    State media would report that a man using his computer suddenly fell to his death from the roof of his appartment. Neighbors say the man didn’t live in an apartment. 🤷‍♂️

    possiblylinux127 ,

    In Russia, Apartments fall on you

    bingbong ,

    In Russia, windows fall out of you

    PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S , to lemmyshitpost in Can't title this yo
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    Thanos Shaq

    Jackhammer_Joe ,

    Thanoshaq

    ICastFist , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
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    Bias? In my AI Model? It’s more likely than you think It’s just your imagination, citizen, now go back to work

    OpenStars , to lemmyshitpost in Witty title
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    Alrighty boys and gurls, you heard the man: we need to come up with entirely new shit to send to him! :-P

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    harry_balzac ,

    That would mean having to be on Xitter. The idea of it makes me feel icky.

    OpenStars ,
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    Oh dayum, you are right. Ok, I quit already.

    Nobody likes a quitter… unless it means creating a Shitter account, b/c that’s just too cruel (and too kind to Musk’s profits).

    sharkfucker420 , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
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    I mean, have you used American ai? It has similar problems, I don’t know why you’re surprised

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    In this case it’s not a problem, but a feature.

    yokonzo ,

    The joke is Chinese AI has to not go into detail on Chinese government because Chinese government

    sharkfucker420 ,
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    I got that, I just didn’t find it surprising I guess. Every government limits criticism yk?

    PlasticLove OP ,

    No, they do not.

    morrowind ,
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    Well everyone government does to some extent, some more than others

    Fal ,
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    Anything to jerk off the CCP, right? And I’ll bet they don’t even pay you.

    Snowpix ,
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    Average ML cope

    Hamartia ,
    kionite231 ,

    In India they do!

    YeetPics ,
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    False.

    PlasticLove OP ,
    sharkfucker420 , (edited )
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    Yes yes america let’s you criticize its political parties because it stops you from criticizing the actual system of government itself. The duel party system is a means of distracting people from actual flaws inherent to liberalism and capitalism etc etc

    I’ll admit tho chatgpt is aight when it comes to critiques of capitalism. Not perfect but aight

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    The American system has problems that the founders did not forsee or wouldn’t want to acknowledge, but when other democratic countries are met with such issues they tend to rewrite their constitution (or corresponding legal documents) while America just stands by it’s flaws. Something that, again, is a feature of the flawed system the framers of the constitution either didn’t see or didn’t want to see.

    I don’t think things were intended to be so difficult to change in the US that the system grinds to a halt, but at the same time the constitution is obviously written to slow change down.

    This said I still think it’s a preferable system to more authoritarian ones. Nowhere near perfect though. Could be way more democratic.

    Socsa ,

    I’m sure chatGPT will be thrilled to have your approval

    ThatFembyWho ,

    That was quite the pivot

    hypertext5689 ,

    But weren’t you the one that said “AmErIcAn aI hAs SimILaR iSsUEs”?

    Flumpkin ,

    Propaganda model, double think, countless wars of aggression, disenfranchisement, now sliding into theocratic fascism. Looking down on China is part of it. They can’t see their own prison - therefor you must be wrong :D

    helenslunch ,
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    LOL at the lemmy.ml user defending the Chinese again…

    YeetPics ,
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    stops you from criticizing the actual system of government itself.

    You can tell how true this is because the swat team that descended from a helicopter to stop you from posting this critique of the american government stopped you from making a critique of the american government.

    PanArab , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards

    Ask it about Palestinians’ right to resistance vs Ukrainians’ right to resistance. I think it will provide fairer answers than ChatGPT

    YeetPics ,
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    Since when did we start pinging an AI to tell if our morals are consistent?

    ObviouslyNotBanana , to mildlyinfuriating in Chinese AI - Double Standards
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    What is wrong with the Taiwanese government?

    cdf12345 ,

    DIVIDE BY 0. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR.

    PlasticLove OP ,
    Pfnic ,

    No surprises there…

    IWantToFuckSpez ,

    What happens if you challenge it? Like “no it’s not, Taiwan is a sovereign country separate from China”

    Gork ,

    I’d imagine if the user was in China, it’d be an automatic deduction of social credit score, or a visit from the secret police.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Or he would never have existed in the first place

    YeetPics ,
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    So basically they made a Xi chatbot?

    gnate , to lemmyshitpost in Know the difference

    I can’t read the letter on the block, so I don’t know if the one on the right is an alligator or crocodile.

    THE_MASTERMIND OP ,
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    Me too

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