That’s still good practice but first party cookies aren’t exactly trustworthy either. IMO, best to whitelist what you trust and use, permablock what you don’t, and auto-wipe the rest.
tldr: first party coolies are used to enhance your experience, with staff like login info and ur shopping cart. third party tracks you. wither way, imma start clearing most cookies from now on
To be precise, first-party and third-party just means whether the cookie set is for the domain you are currently on, or for another one. The latter do not have to be tracking cookies, but are often used as such. You can see the cookies that your browser is storing for a specific site by visiting it and looking at them in the developer tools (Storage or Application tab, depending on browser). Under the “domain” column you can see what domain it is for.
Furthermore, there you can look at the Local Storage and Session Storage tables which are also often used to store tracking data but are not prevented by cookie deletion.
On a more serious note, though, while I do 100% that the “Thin Blue Line” is pure idiocy, I don’t think that actually going out of your way to harass them (even if it is warranted) is in any way effective in convincing them otherwise and having them see reason. Same reasoning as with why many young boys these days fall down the alt-right rabbit hole and become a Tater Tot.
A counter example is Richard Spencer, the Nazi, getting punched in public twice and then saying in an interview that he’s afraid to go out in public. He faded from the limelight soon thereafter.
Okay, that is pretty effective, but you would also swoop down to the same low as them. The police are known for unreasonable and excessive brutality, doing that would make you at the same level they are.
EDIT: You have convinced me and bought to my attention points that I didn’t consider because I might have been too idealistic. Thank you for correcting me.
There is a high chance that someone shoving that thing-blue-line bullshit probably own a gun and are desperately waiting for an excuse to shoot someone for even the most minute reason. And they had said "FAFO" 3 times already that day
A Tater Tot is a mindless follower of some very punchable asshole called Andrew Tate. Also in regards to your second point, while that is true, they will and already do have that stupid stereotype ingrained in their racist minds anyways. Might as well take advantage of it.
You also think beating up fascists is “a bad way to make them see reason”? It’s entirely not the point. You beat up fascists to make them be afraid of openly being a fascist.
Fair enough, I was being too idealistic. I just wish we can have them see reason instead, but if we can’t, making them shut up and not spread their idiocy would perhaps make for the next best thing.
I don’t think it’s particularly unreasonable to conclude that any decent approach to the first will also include the second. That shit is literally designed to be addictive, even the best teachers are gonna struggle to compete.
The universe is much, much more complex than we can comprehend. As humanity learns more, the old categories and frameworks we use to try and organize and understand things will break down.
This is not a bad thing. It is a sign of progress.
Which Communist regimes would say are the “real” communists? Because if you think (as many do) that every single mass movement that described itself as “communist” was bad, then I suspect you’re not a communist at all.
Then you should know better than to be homophobic as a substitute for saying anything interesting. Self-reflection would probably help you to not embarass yourself in the future.
Careful calling those regimes authoritarian. Hexbears like to attack this point by assigning a slightly different definition to authoritarian and then either (a) claim that all governments are “authoritarian” or (b) blame liberals for using this word to demonize socialist states. I once saw someone cite en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Authoritarianism to “prove” that those states are not authoritarian.
It’s worse than just that. They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin’s atrocities is Holocaust denial.
They are so scared and insecure they will lash out against anything that slightly challenges their beliefs. If they post sources it will be misreadings of fringe groups, or conveniently ignoring facts. Like how they believe tiananmen square wasn’t a big deal because the China killed about 300 people a mile away. Or how Cuba is a utopia even though it’s citizens chose to get run over by the coast guard instead of living there.
They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin’s atrocities is Holocaust denial.
No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.
I’m celebrating the increase in life expectancy from 35 to higher than that of the US, actually, which is the win I think it is.
The point is not the immediate increase in that specific 5 year period, the point is the clear trend of rapid, long term increases after a long period of stagnation, with the pivitol turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power. You’re supposed to look at the whole graph.
China never manipulates data coming out of their authoritarian country so good thing we can trust it. I’m sure their life expectancy is great with all their industrial pollution that regularly causes smog in their inner cities.
Here is my source do you have a source that disputes that? Or is your belief based entirely on unfalsifiable faith?
Also curious if you think Chinese life expectancy is still like 35 or what lmao
You may also be interested in what the World Bank, that infamous communist propaganda rag, has to say:
Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty.
That’s incredible, I honestly did not see that one coming.
So tell me, what’s your best guess at what Chinese life expectancy was before the CPC came to power, and what do you think it is now? Do you dispute the numbers from before the communists were even in power? Or do you think they’re still living in mud huts?
You can laugh, but communist oppression is no laughing matter. Please see this article where Ben Shapiro writes a thesis-level takedown of the mythos of Chinese life expectancy.
The Fountainhead is a novel about an American architect that has nothing to do with China. They’re doing a weird bit, presumably about how evil tankies asking them to read books is cheating.
Oh, so you consider Deng’s reforms to be right-deviationist? Are you a Maoist, then?
Whether you consider the CPC to be communist or not, the fact still remains that they’ve made a lot of improvements in the lives of the average Chinese person.
Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened and the whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism”.
How do you say “moving the goalposts” in Mandarin? Actually, no need to answer as you are all suburban petit bourgeois kids from the US.
Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened
That’s… what I said? Obviously, Deng was the one who implemented economic reforms, such as opening stock exchanges and allowing foreign investment. Some Maoists consider this to be right-deviationist and counter-revolutionary, and that he should’ve continued more in line with Mao’s policies. That’s why I asked if you’re a Maoist, since you consider his reforms incompatible with socialism.
I’m not sure who’s whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism.” China’s conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it’s possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism. It’s just that in China’s case, it was the communists that did it.
Over 60, actually. I think that doubling live expectancy over a single generation is, in fact, pretty impressive.
So I take it you’re not a Maoist or a Dengist. Can you tell me who you think should’ve been in power in China instead? The KMT? You can see how much they did on the graph, if you don’t find the CPC’s numbers impressive then I’m sure you’d hate them even more. The invading Japanese perhaps? The European colonizers? Or maybe you think the Qing dynasty should never have been overthrown.
Correlation or causation? You know that industrialization increases life expectancy, right?
It’s not hard to double your life expectancy when you’re starting out with the same life expectancy that existed in the Roman Empire almost 2,000 years prior. Thanks, Mao!
Of course I know that, did you not read what I said?
“China’s conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it’s possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism.”
It’s not hard to double your life expectancy when you’re starting out with the same life expectancy that existed in the Roman Empire almost 2,000 years prior. Thanks, Mao!
It really is wild that no other faction was willing to do anything that would increase Chinese life expectancy above that of the Roman Empire, yes. I agree, thanks, Mao!
It’s pretty funny that you criticize Deng for implenting economic reforms that led to further industrialization, while also crediting the rise in life expectancy to that very same industrialization.
What even is your ideology? And can you answer my question about who should’ve come to power instead of the communists?
I have no idea what thought process led you to post that but ok.
There were a lot of really simple, basic improvements that the peasants in China desperately needed. Anybody could’ve done what was needed, but nobody else was willing to, because nobody else cared. There was no special technical economic policy that uplifted them, it was just a willingness to address their needs that no other faction possessed.
The entire point of this brilliant thread is that communism, not individuals, lifted people out of poverty. Numerous economic systems have high life expectancy (socialist, capitalist, etc) and the common denominator is basically just industrialization.
Who would have thought the ability to make nation-state quantities of medication extends lives?
That’s all you fam, I never said anything like that. All I did was point to graph and say I liked it when people do things (and political projects) that make life expectancy skyrocket. You seem to have read a bunch of stuff into that.
I’m assuming you equally support all those capitalist countries that have high life expectancies. Samsung Korea I mean South Korea with it’s life expectancy of 84 years is generally considered a great society on Hexbear, no?
Life expectancy doesn’t always give the whole picture. For example, in my graph, there are times where China’s life expectancy is rising very rapidly, but it was still considerably lower than that of other countries. It’s necessary to analyze what policies lead to what results and what the reasons are for the success or failure of a given political project or policy.
I haven’t studied South Korea’s policies and material conditions closely enough to offer much of an informed analysis, as the world is a very big place. You could always make a thread about it on c/askchapo or something.
I mean this genuinely - It seems like you’re one of the more reasonable Hexbear users, just for saying this alone:
I haven’t studied South Korea’s policies and material conditions closely enough to offer much of an informed analysis, as the world is a very big place.
Intelligence is always knowing where your current knowledge ends. I don’t have all the answers to everything either and it’s easier to engage in discussion when both participants know their limitations, which is the bare minimum required for a good faith discussion. Virtually all other Hexbear users double down and go on the offensive when they are hit with something they don’t know about, which is why I’ve developed a particular disdain for users from your instance and refrain from substantial engagement because it always devolves into sealioning. The only way I have found to engage with users from your instance is reflexively using their own debate strategies otherwise I’m constantly told I “don’t know anything unless I’ve read insert-book-of-the-week”.
I used South Korea because it’s pretty much worse than the US in every regard. My joke, “Samsung Korea”, wasn’t an ignorant American’s take thinking all they make are cell phones, rather, Samsung is basically at the top of their oligarchy and has more control over their government than US corporations, believe it or not. South Korea has one of the best life expectancies, but is one of the worse examples of capitalism.
I think your problem is that you jump to conclusions too quickly. I think you’ll have better luck with Hexbears if you slow down and make sure you actually understand what our point is instead of just trying to win before you have a clear picture of what the other person’s position is.
Oh well, double down I guess. A prominant Hexbear community is called “Dunking On Libs”, which, as we both know, is going to other instances where they engage in “jumping to conclusions” and “just trying to win”.
You almost had self awareness. Almost.
I’ll leave you with what I wrote in my last post:
The only way I have found to engage with users from your instance is reflexively using their own debate strategies
I can’t speak for every user on my instance (nor can you for yours), but I can say that many of us also respond in kind to what we get. When you tried to dunk on me, you got PPB’d. You’ll get the same if you lob baseless accusations (like calling us “the QAnon of the left”) or confidently assert bad, uninformed takes.
My god he can’t read a graph. How has our educational system been allowed to fail for this long?
I’m not committed at all to China as the salvation of the communist project, but it’s exactly this sort of self-imposed illiteracy and ignorance, and nearly religious faith in the inferiority and duplicity of The Orient that makes me default to distrusting anything negative a cracker says about it.
let’s skip to the end of the discussion: I say “that’s not anything like what I said.” you say “yes but you believe those statistics are true???” I say “do you have any good evidence that they’re fabricated, and that the life expectancy in China is actually still hovering around 40?” you beg the question, possibly implying that Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy, and accuse me of supporting genocide. There is nothing I can say to you that will instill an ounce of critical thinking ability in you.
I don’t think census data compiled and verified by the UN DESA is Pravda, a publication which does not exist anymore. I quite like Wikipedia and I think it’s a very good way to get a quick introductory understanding of a topic which you’ve just learned about. In this case it prints a similar graph citing the same data, so I don’t know why you would mention it to support your strange argument that China’s life expectancy has not significantly improved under communism.
It’s not even that outrageous a thing to believe, but you demand that I presume it false because believing that China is a normal country opens the door to believing a whole bunch of other scary things.
I don’t really care whether or not China is communist, or if other people think it’s communist for various esoteric reasons. It doesn’t effect me either way. State Department propaganda and warmongering does effect me though.
Of course you don’t care if it is communist. Communism was never the point. Mask comes off that you guys are just authoritarians masquerading as glorious revolutionaries.
I get that life is safer, cleaner, and more comfortable for almost everyone on earth.
But, I wish I could decide to spend a few months not working and living in the mountains or jungle without any serious work or financial repercussions.
My wife and I are at a place where we have a long term plan to save and buy land away from the city.
I can’t wait until I’m out in the country side and and can go outside to nature rather than concrete.
That sounds wonderful. I often fantasize about living on a mountain side in a cottage with a porch where I sit with my wife on a crisp morning, just enjoying the sun rise, a coffee and the comfort of being in the moment with my closet ally on earth.
I wish I had the money to do that someday.
I congratulate you and your wife to make a dream come true. I believe, if you long so much and can make it happen, it will be worth it and it is something to work for.
Sorry to mislead, we are far from the dream. But we have a plan at the very least and we can, for the first time, really see a path to get there. We still have years and years to go.
I know your whole schtick is being a bit of a dumb bastard that confuses himself for a rationalist, but the phrase “working their ass off beforehand” applies to the job(s) they work and earned with personal effort and the familial responsibilities they have, unlike the idle rich.
That’s kind of the point, though. The fact that you can’t just…live in the world without participating in a destructive and exploitative economic system first is disgusting and immeasurably immoral and unethical.
I think that’s kinda the thing about this post. Alot of people don’t have a place to find these things at all. Though I know a few, just not super convenient for me. I feeling like I am ALWAYS at the grocery store for something, though.
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