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ma343 , to memes in China Bad

Tell that to the Uighurs

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Case in point 😂 Every goddamn time 😭

The Cold War had only a brief pause before the pivot to Asia. The US tried to foment unrest in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and when those efforts failed it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last week.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany [
]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

ma343 ,

Let me guess, Tiananmen square was a totally justified response to CIA instigated unrest too? How about you link to a single source from any reputable news agency anywhere around the world instead of random shady sites that totally aren’t propaganda? And to be clear, fuck the US government too, but China isn’t exactly a bastion of free expression and journalism either

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Let me guess, Tiananmen square was a totally justified response to CIA instigated unrest too?

Presumably your understanding of the Tiananmen riots is about as garbage as almost every other Westerner’s.

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How about you link to a single source from any reputable news agency anywhere around the world instead of random shady sites that totally aren’t propaganda?

Sorry, I don’t have any MBFC-approved sources for you on hand. I think you’d just ignore them or move the goalposts if I posted them anyway. I doubt you have an understanding of how our own propaganda works.

ma343 ,

Oh hey look, guessed it in one. And note that I said anywhere in the world, but sure they’re all cia psyops, that’s a very reasonable take. Have fun licking that boot, just because America is authoritarian doesn’t mean you should trust what their opponents say about their own bad behavior, that’s as ignorant as ignoring the crimes of the west

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

And note that I said anywhere in the world

Yes, I heard you the first time.

they’re all cia psyops

Obviously not everything is. This isn’t a a very good straw man.

America is authoritarian doesn’t mean you should trust what their opponents say about their own bad behavior

Obviously not, and yet again you’re putting words in my mouth to construct a ridiculous straw man.

Have fun licking that boot

Have fun licking imperial core boot, I guess? I don’t know how or why you’ve twisted this into boot-lickery.

fl42v , to programmerhumor in Always be fashionably late

That’s an impressive commit graph, tho

nickwitha_k , to memes in Self-Made

Hey now. That “emerald mine in apartheid South Africa” but is not true at all. He benefited from being the son of a rich white guy in apartheid South Africa. The emerald mine was in Zambia. He materially benefited from colonial rule in TWO countries.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

touché

youpie , (edited ) to linuxmemes in welp ...
@youpie@lemmy.emphisia.nl avatar

nextcloud aio docker image. final answer

Rin ,

Best way I’ve seen to do it.

stoicmaverick ,

Does this allow for easy upgrades and/or are there any issues with local storage? I used to run it about an age and a half ago, but I’ve recently wanted to spin an instance back up for a few reasons. These things change so fast, I looked away and now I’m out of the loop.

moomoomoo309 ,
@moomoomoo309@programming.dev avatar

Upgrades are easy, backups are really good, if upgrades mess up, you can restore from backup even if NC is hosed. As for local storage, I never did it, but here’s the docs for it! docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/
/local.html

stoicmaverick ,

Thanks. Might do that this weekend.

PlexSheep ,

Nope, the document server didn’t work.

youpie ,
@youpie@lemmy.emphisia.nl avatar

onlyoffice you mean?

PlexSheep ,

Both, couldn’t get it to work. I outsource groupware now.

brayd , to linuxmemes in welp ...
@brayd@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

For me Nextcloud AIO works. Still I don’t like how “unstable” NC is. There’s always something that does not work in any setup. Wish it was more stable or there would be a better alternative. For me it’s videos. But only those that are MP4 and have their moov atom at the end of the file. They can’t be played.

github.com/pulsejet/memories/issues/984

It’s a headache. Set up Ente Photos just for that. Good side effect is that the images from my family and myself are stored E2EE encrypted on the self hosted Ente Photos instance.

don , to lemmyshitpost in Bro Dared and found out

My homie on earth, I think you might need more christ in your diet

Lemminary ,

Catholics like this

Cheradenine , to memes in Seeing Wikipedia vs ProleWiki references

The real 411 is on encyclopedia dramatica

lobut , to memes in Self-Made

I’m too tired to look it up, but I remember someone saying that resilience or grit was one of the best indicators of success. Someone replied that actually the best indicator of success is if you came from wealth.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar
loonsun ,

Also grit is an over hyped and under delivered construct of human cognition that really is only spoken of seriously nowadays by people trying to sell you something

www.apa.org/news/apa/2020/gritty-truth

funkless_eck ,

grit makes me think of Bukowski novels like Post Office. Just a bunch of dudes laboring to look like they’re working hard to please the boss, rather than to do the labor.

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

Personally grit makes me think of literal sand. Or dirt in general. It’s something you wash off the first chance you get. Not exactly something to be celebrated.

MonkeMischief ,

Lol sure, resilience and grit are great markers of success!..Provided you can afford enough resilience and grit until you succeed! Lol

deathbird ,

I’m sure grit + wealth is far better than either alone. It’s really probably grit + wealth + connections + luck.

NationProtons ,

Grift + wealth works even better.

retrospectology , to memes in For anyone asking: Yes, I am paid by the Chinese government đŸ€Ł
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Not all of them are paid, some are just useful idiots.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

this u?

And [China] has worked tirelessly to create [disunity in Europe], yes. Europeans have looked at the chaos in the US with a sense that it represents some kind of moral failing specific to Americans, but the reality is they themselves have been part of the same decades long social engineering campaign by Russia and China.

The only difference is the goals have been slightly different for each target and the type of trolling and propaganda exploits slightly different social and cultural weaknesses. But ultimately the goal has always been to drive a wedge between the US and Europe, and weaken both.

Because that is some weapons-grade BlueAnon conspiracy theorizing.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Found the tankie, lol.

FordBeeblebrox , to memes in freedom!

Make the boot black and FUCK every pig who uses our desert armor to mess with their fellow civilians. That’s right, FELLOW CIVILIANS

tinocofaidh , to memes in For anyone asking: Yes, I am paid by the Chinese government đŸ€Ł

It’s quite interesting that your other posts about America/Israel bad got loads of upvotes while your China ones got downvoted to hell. Guess it screams freedom when you can judge your country.

Confidant6198 OP ,

Guess it screams freedom when you can judge your country.

What do you mean by this?

tinocofaidh ,

I mean, “our country is bad” is already a daily laughing stock for their people in many places, so it won’t help you in saying “XXX is bad so China is good”.

Just a suggestion to prove the point - if you make a Xi version of “I sleep/real shit” with a normal teddy bear and Winnie the Pooh, you will be a star tonight.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

This is just as indecipherable as your previous comment.

Taleya , to memes in The essence of liberalism

Tbf they didn’t say shit about the disabled or parents

samus12345 , to memes in freedom!
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
TwoBeeSan , to memes in China bad

Lol

Imagine defending a state online


wikipedia.org/
/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

Confidant6198 OP ,
Confidant6198 OP ,
davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Lol

Imagine defending a state online by posting a CIApedia link

The Cold War had only a brief pause before the pivot to Asia. The US tried to foment unrest in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and when those efforts failed it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last week.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany [
]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

HootinNHollerin , to memes in China bad

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    You’re on .ml, clown.

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