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JackbyDev , to youshouldknow in YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities

Aren’t you only “shadow banned” from users of that instance? Wouldn’t folks federated with your instance still see your comments?

tegs_terry ,

Pretty sure that’s right.

Corkyskog ,

That’s confusing. Let’s say that there is antance A, B and C. (Instance A is Beehaw) Now let’s say A bans C, but not B. And B hasn’t banned anyone. That would mean instance A would still see the comments of C, when replying to B, right? If so, people from Instance A would feel like they are being gaslit more then people blocked from instance C.

tegs_terry ,

Doesn’t ‘gaslit’ mean convincing someone they’re making things up? Or is that all in my head?

100 ,

Gaslighting doesn’t exist, you made it up

wide_eyed_stupid ,
@wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh it definitely exists. Ask anyone who has experienced living/working/dealing with a narcissist.

jackwebs ,

I think they were joking…

wide_eyed_stupid ,
@wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao. Well, woosh!

I guess I’ve just had too many real arguments with people on reddit about this and this comment flew right past me. :D

Raf ,

Gaslighting is convincing someone that they perceived or remembered things incorrectly. That’s a very specific kind of manipulation.

tegs_terry ,

Why do people use it to mean bullshitting in general?

Raf ,

Like most buzzwords, gaslight has lost its meaning.

tegs_terry ,

Gone the way of ‘reboot’ huh? I blame the media trying to cram the trendy terms in wherever they can.

jayemecee ,

But can C see A through B?

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

My understanding is that Lemmy isn’t peer-to-peer, it’s more like hub-and-spoke, relative to the instance that the community is on.

So if users on B and C are interacting with a post on A, then it’s the responsibility of A to be the postman and handle the syncing between A<>B and A<>C; B and C don’t directly talk in this case.

Thus, nobody outside of Lemmyworld sees posts from Lemmyworld, because Beehaw doesn’t accept them, and therefore doesn’t pass them along to the other instances, either.

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

My understanding is that Lemmy isn’t peer-to-peer, it’s more like hub-and-spoke, relative to the instance that the community is on.

So if users on B and C are interacting with a post on A, then it’s the responsibility of A to be the postman and handle the syncing between A<>B and A<>C; B and C don’t directly talk in this case.

Thus, nobody outside of Lemmyworld sees posts from Lemmyworld made on Beehaw communities, because Beehaw doesn’t accept them, and therefore doesn’t pass them along to the other instances, either.

Corkyskog ,

So let’s say A is Beehaw and C is Lemmy.world and B is a hypothetical instance that Beehaw and Lemmy.world approve. How does that work?

Does it just clip off viewability of the comments for A if a post from C is made?

Trying to understand your comment it sounds like your saying if A bans C, then no on other than C can view their comments?

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

Not quite. So imagine each Lemmy instance is a post office, responsible for receiving mail from other instances on your behalf, and also responsible for sending your mail to other instances.

The post office (instance) that matters is the one where the thread is taking place. When you write a message on a thread - if the thread is on your home instance, great! No outbound mail. If it’s not, your post office (instance) will send your mail across the fediverse to the instance where the thread actually lives, and the receiving instance adds it to the thread.

Likewise, when users reply to you, their instances mail their replies to the instance where the thread lives; the thread’s instance is then responsible for re-forwarding their mail to you.

In this case, Beehaw has unilaterally decided not to accept mail from, or deliver mail to, Lemmyworld. So your experience varies based on which is your home instance, and which instance you’re interacting with.


So exploring it by example, let’s consider we have three instances: Beehaw, Lemmy.world, and (shameless plug) my adorable little home instance of federate.cc, which is federated with both of the above (and is accepting membership applications by the way!)

If the thread lives on Beehaw, and you are a member of…

  • Beehaw, then you can interact with the post (it’s your home instance), but you won’t see any replies from Lemmyworld users (your post office is refusing to accept letters from them)
  • Lemmyworld, you probably won’t be able to see the thread at all (Beehaw refused to deliver it to their post office) - but if by some chance you can, you won’t see any comments by Beehaw users (Beehaw refuses to deliver them to the Lemmyworld post office)
  • federate.cc, then you will be able to interact with the post (Beehaw delivers mail to our post office), but you won’t see any replies from Lemmyworld users (Beehaw refuses to accept mail from Lemmyworld users, and by extension refuses to deliver their mail to our post office)

If the thread lives on Lemmyworld, and you are a member of…

  • Beehaw, you probably won’t be able to see the thread at all (Beehaw refused to accept the mail from Lemmyworld, returning it to sender) - but if by some chance you can, you won’t see any comments by Lemmyworld users (Beehaw refuses to accept mail from Lemmyworld, returning it to sender)
  • Lemmyworld, then you can interact with the post (it’s your home instance), but you won’t see any replies from Beehaw users (their post office refuses to deliver letters to yours)
  • federate.cc, then you will be able to interact with the post, but you probably won’t see any replies from Beehaw users (Beehaw’s post office refuses to deliver mail addressed to Lemmyworld)

If the thread lives on federate.cc, and you are a member of…

  • Beehaw, you will be able to see and interact with the thread, since Beehaw’s post office both sends and receives mail from federate.cc; but you won’t see any messages from Lemmyworld users, because Beehaw’s post office will refuse mail that originated at Lemmyworld; when we try to forward that mail to Beehaw’s post office, it will be refused and returned to sender.
  • Lemmyworld, you will be able to see and interact with the thread, since Lemmyworld’s post office both sends and receives mail from federate.cc; you will see messages from Beehaw users, because Beehaw’s post office will deliver mail to ours; but if you interact with them at all, they will never see it, because Beehaw will reject mail that originated at Lemmyworld (see above).
  • federate.cc, then you will be able to interact with the post as normal, you will see replies from people at all three instances, and they will see yours

Phew! How confusing. A far better solution would be… don’t defederate, splitting the community!

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

My understanding is that Lemmy isn’t peer-to-peer, it’s more like hub-and-spoke, relative to the instance that the community is on.

So if users on B and C are interacting with a post on A, then it’s the responsibility of A to be the postman and handle the syncing between A<>B and A<>C; B and C don’t directly talk in this case.

Thus, nobody outside of Lemmyworld sees posts from Lemmyworld made on Beehaw communities, because Beehaw doesn’t accept them, and therefore doesn’t pass them along to the other instances, either.

nope ,

I recommend reading this post on lemmy.world for a very clear understanding of how the defederation affects these instances: lemmy.world/post/149743

Fog , to ukcasual in Casual Sunday
@Fog@lemmy.world avatar

Had some friends round last night. Watched the boxing and got drunk. Went to bed about 2am. Cat woke me up about 7 demanding food! Meows louder than an air raid siren. Climbed back in to bed now and browsing Lemmy. Been a busy week so just catching up with the latest posts.

parpol , to showerthoughts in Your lips don't touch when you say the word touch, but do touch when you say separate

letters B, M, P require you use your lips to make the sound. anything else is another part of your mouth.

ekZepp , to android in What's the 3 apps that you can't live without?
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morethanevil ,
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😂 😂 😂

notun , to android in What's the 3 apps that you can't live without?

Authenticator apps. Everything else is replaceable.

SailingG , to showerthoughts in Your lips don't touch when you say the word touch, but do touch when you say separate

Same in spanish with “tocar” and “separar”

baropithecus , to gaming in Is it me or are games really not fun anymore

Burnout is definitely a thing. Try cutting back, taking a break or switching genres. Dust off that real-time strategy that’s been gathering dust in your library, or try something completely new. Take care of yourself my guy.

berkeleyblue , to nostupidquestions in What's wrong with using a browser to view Lemmy? Seems like a lot of posts are about best apps for Lemmy. Am I missing out on something by not using an app?
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Apps have a few advantages not the least of which are Push notifications, individualised UIs, additional functionality like swipe to upvote etc. Webapps are ok, native Applications in General just have greater flexibility and access to more features of your Smartphone.

norgur ,
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In short: browser on PC, app on mobile

Bushwhack ,

This is the way

supermurs ,
@supermurs@kbin.social avatar

This is the way.

sulettaforgetta , to nostupidquestions in What's wrong with using a browser to view Lemmy? Seems like a lot of posts are about best apps for Lemmy. Am I missing out on something by not using an app?

My biggest gripe using the browser was the constant auto-refresh. I’m using wefwef which has better functionality and looks way nicer, feels more like a ‘Reddit’ experience.

platysalty ,

I was trying out lemmy.world when All was freaking out and constantly spawning new posts on top. I moved to kbin and enjoy the boxy feel

Thunder_Caulk ,
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When you’re reading the post title, then suddenly new posts come in and bump the current post. And now you’re lost.

Also if you click a post and after you go back to the feed. The browser doesn’t remember your position. And now you’re lost again.

floofloof ,

It doesn’t do that thing where the new posts bump the page around while you’re reading it, as of version 0.18.

It does still have the second issue you mentioned.

flubba86 , to android in What's the 3 apps that you can't live without?
  • Fennec (I’ve been using Firefox on PC since v3.5 came out in 2009, and Fennec from FDroid is the best version on Android)
  • Youtube ReVanced (I don’t watch TV or streaming services, Youtube is my preferred entertainment)
  • Authy (I have TOTP 2FA on a LOT of websites)
MrCrowBard , to showerthoughts in People should start making memes that explain how Lemmy actually works
Mythril OP ,

The link is broken?

MrCrowBard ,

Works for me but the hosting site seems to go down intermittently. Was just a rewrite of the “I made this” meme

Mythril OP ,

Hmm it says “Image was not found, might be deleted”, so I was wondering if you used the wrong link (not the public one). Ah well, could be server issues I guess yeah.

MrCrowBard ,

It’s just the host I think as when I refresh it now it shows that it was deleted but it worked a few minutes ago.

Same image hosted on imgur

mika1111 , to nostupidquestions in Do people get partners because as we get older we have less friends?

It is goodwhen your partner is your friends but I think IT is more thank that

dvdnet90 , to android in What's the 3 apps that you can't live without?
@dvdnet90@lemmy.world avatar

Signal, Brave and Bitwarden.

themoonisacheese , to showerthoughts in Your lips don't touch when you say the word touch, but do touch when you say separate
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

In french, “ça touche pas ça touche, ça touche ça touche pas” is a common riddle. You ask the person to guess what “it” is in “‘it doesn’t touch’ touches, ‘it touches’ doesn’t” (of course this doesn’t work in English but it does in french due to the usage of ‘pas’ for ‘doesn’t’). They may then ask you if various things touch or not. The game may go on for several hours as the guesser tries to guess objects, animals, concepts before they get that it is about whether or not your lips touch.

A common occurence is the guesser gives up, and whatever phrase they use to indicate that is just interpreted as another guess by the riddler: “I give up! -‘I give up’ touches.”

Shialac , to nostupidquestions in Why does the infinity app still work with reddit?

Also why is Joey still alive?

KilgoreTheTrout11 ,

Probably just a matter of days or hours. Infinity for Reddit is still working in the developer percent it'll be available for a couple days. I'm not sure the exact logistics of why but for some reason it seems that some people that are pivoting into a paid subscription model are able to stomach a few days

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