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gon , to youshouldknow in YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities
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I disagree simply on the basis that they hope to refederate eventually, and it might be good to already be subbed. But yeah.

PeepinGoodArgs , to nostupidquestions in If beauty is tightly associated with facial symmetry, then why doesn’t everyone have their hair part down the middle?

A symmetrical face with asymmetrical elements is still attractive.

I mean, you’re not talking about the face, per se, when you’re talking about haircuts. No one thinks Cindy Crawford looks less beautiful because she has a mole on her face.

The face is still symmetrical, it’s just adorned by asymmetry in other elements. And, I for one, love asymmetrical elements.

TheRealBob , to nostupidquestions in What is so great about Reddit/Lemmy apps?
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Apps just offer a better experience than a mobile browser, generally speaking (I’m sure there are exceptions though). Also, apps can send push notifications, and third party apps offer more customizations and better features than official apps (again I’m sure there are exceptions though).

Social media sites and their official apps, outside of the fediverse, are too cluttered and annoying. I still remember when Instagram forced video ads to autoplay. I deleted my account and never went back. I really don’t understand how people manage to use this stuff, it’s awful. Ads everywhere, non-chronological timelines, no customization options, tracking scripts/pixels, that slow everything down, it’s terrible.

TheRealBob , to nostupidquestions in What is so great about Reddit/Lemmy apps?
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Apps just offer a better experience than a mobile browser, generally speaking (I’m sure there are exceptions though). Also, apps can send push notifications, and third party apps offer more customizations and better features than official apps (again I’m sure there are exceptions though).

Social media sites and their official apps, outside of the fediverse, are too cluttered and annoying. I still remember when Instagram forced video ads to autoplay. I deleted my account and never went back. I really don’t understand how people manage to use this stuff, it’s awful. Ads everywhere, non-chronological timelines, no customization options, tracking scripts/pixels, that slow everything down, it’s terrible.

sosodev , to nostupidquestions in What's a good service for hosting large/video content?

Self hosting is a great option. It gives you full control.

TheRealBob , to nostupidquestions in Do people get partners because as we get older we have less friends?
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I married my husband because I love him, not because I didn’t want to be lonely.

mizu6079 , to nostupidquestions in If beauty is tightly associated with facial symmetry, then why doesn’t everyone have their hair part down the middle?
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Here’s Matpat’s recent video on this.

Jane2187 , to nostupidquestions in Why does a car have both a motor and engine?
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“Engine” and “motor” are almost the same thing, and when talking about cars are often used interchangeably. However, an engine usually refers to an internal combustion engine (which is gasoline or diesel-powered), while a motor usually refers to an electric motor, as used in electric cars.

SmokingMenthols OP ,

My education is in automation and my current job works very heavily with pneumatic systems, so my usable idea of what a motor and engine is are very different from most people familiar with the terms. I would get some seriously strange looks for saying that a compressor engine was bad comparatively.

Spuddaccino ,

Typically, people do associate the terms with different forms of power, but they’re really the same thing. A motor creates motion using supplied power. That’s what a car engine does: it uses the chemical energy in fuel to move pistons.

If I understand correctly about your line of work, this is consistent: the supplied power source is converted to rotational motion in the fans. Your compressor engine is also a motor.

If you have something else that turns the airflow into electricity, then you have a generator there, and will need another motor to make stuff move again.

This is also why hybrids need an electric motor and a gas engine: they have a generator that turns motion into electricity, so they need something that turns electricity back into motion.

PrivateOnions , to nostupidquestions in Why does a car have both a motor and engine?

Not sure what your question is? The words engine and motor are used interchangably and there is only one motor/engine in like 99.99999% of cars unless they are a hybrid with a gasoline engine and an electric motor.

SmokingMenthols OP ,

I didn’t realize they were just different words for the same thing. I was just sitting here thinking that I had a general idea of how a car works between the engine, drive train, transmission, etc., then I was just like “Why the fuck have I heard gas cars have a motor and why haven’t I seen one?” when I’ve been looking at it this whole time

PrivateOnions ,

Yup, engine and motor are interchanged, and the drivetrain is the entire driving system of the car which includes: engine, transmission, driveshaft, differential(s), axles, wheels.

somedaysoon , (edited )
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Technically they do have both… the starter that starts the engine is a motor. If you have electric power steering, that has a motor. Your windshield wipers have a motor. If you have power seat adjustment, motor. There are many small motors around a car to accomplish things.

Also, personally, I wouldn’t use motor and engine interchangeably. I know it’s very common to do so, but as someone that works on my own vehicles from the time I was 16, they’ve always been referenced distinctly in service manuals. Motors run on electricity, engines run on combustion.

fidodo , to nostupidquestions in So how long until the Fediverse is monetized?

The fediverse is not a single database or server. It’s a protocol and standard that’s distributed by design. The fediverse as a whole cannot be centrally monetized, just like email can’t be monetized. A single provider could potentially choose to try to monetize either by requiring a subscription or showing ads, exactly like email providers do, but if you ever feel like they’ve stopped providing a good service you can just switch to another instance just like you can switch to another email provider.

Unlike a centralized service like Reddit, you’re not locked into a monopoly. Switching instances does not lock you out of the system as a whole, just like you can still receive email if you switch to another provider. With Reddit you can only access the platform through Reddit because it’s a closed source centralized monopoly.

One thing the fediverse seems to lack as far as I can tell is a way to link accounts, like how you can set up forwarding with email, which helps you switch providers. But the protocol and standard is still being developed so maybe that’s something that can happen in the future

archomrade ,

A point of caution:

A large company absolutely could come in and absorb the majority of lemmy traffic and build proprietary code and features on top of the main protocol, eventually making the open source protocol obsolete and supplanting it as a paid/closed-source service. It has been done repeatedly by tech companies, and it is the main reason many people distrust Meta’s interest in joining the fediverse.

For all the reasons you just mentioned, we should fight tooth and nail against that from happening, but we should at least be aware of the threat.

Joeythe1st ,

I haven’t read a ton about it, but isn’t this what Meta is potentially going to do with Thread?

archomrade ,

That is the worry, yes. There’s very little incentive for them to join the fediverse as a for-profit company otherwise.

s4if ,
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I think there are benefit of killing twitter, mocking el*n and skirting europe regulation on moderation laws. But the worry is there, I hope the devs stand their ground and rejecting any doubious modification from meta on fediverse protocols.

fiah ,
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standing our ground means defederating any and all meta servers as soon as they’re identified

matt ,
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I’d be surprised if there’s more than one Meta instance, as “multiple instances” tends to make the UX more confusing for those who are unaware of it. So it shouldn’t be hard.

fiah ,
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they’d abstract that away for their users, they won’t know or care. And if one instance gets blocked, they’ll just spin up a new one and migrate the data. Meta users won’t have to think about the whole fediverse aspect of it because it they had to, it would never get off the ground. So meta has to abstract it away or it’ll be DOA. Which means we have to keep blocking any and all meta instances when they’re identified as such

anakaine ,

Please don’t start obfuscating words. Elon.

drphungky ,

What’s the background on this?

Joeythe1st ,

Zuck did an interview talking about how they were looking at doing a spinoff of Instagram, using Fediverse, for text based social media. Basically a competitor to Twitter. Rumor mill says it’s call Thread, or maybe he said that in the interview, I can’t remember.

drphungky ,

I deleted the wrong comment, but responding here. I was thinking Thread like the home automation standard all the big companies are doing together. Figured Facebook was in on that. I did hear about the Fediverse entry though, just missed the name (which I bet they won’t use).

drphungky ,

What’s the background on this?

Joeythe1st ,

Zuck did an interview talking about how they were looking at doing a spinoff of Instagram, using Fediverse, for text based social media. Basically a competitor to Twitter. Rumor mill says it’s call Thread, or maybe he said that in the interview, I can’t remember.

fidodo ,

Yeah that’s a great point. I think it would be hard to fully lock other clients out, but you could have an early internet style situation where you had some websites not supporting all browsers.

DarthCluck ,

I think the email comparison is apt. We are currently in the bbs/dial-up ISP stage of the fediverse. When people had aol.com or netcom.com addresses.

That gave way to powerful centralized services such as Hotmail or rocketmail, that had the promise of never changing your email again. We then saw Gmail become the big boy on the block with amazing technology.

Even with these powerful entities, there were still hobbyists and corporate email.

I predict the fediverse will follow a similar path. lemmy.world and beehaw are like the netcoms, or even the bbs’s, basically hobbyists, and Internet communists setting things up for the common good, or simply because it’s fun.

We’re going to see instances fill up, become unstable, unreliable, etc. People will get frustrated when Lemm.ee, or their preferred instance can no longer support the volume they have attracted. We’ll see a professional service like a Hotmail that promises a forever home. You’ll likely also see vanity instances like what rocketmail offered. Given the nature of the interest based servers, we’ll likely see vanity instances come about singer than they did with email: starwars.fedi, lotr.verse, piano.lemmy, etc.

Once corporate interests start to see value in a powerful, stable instance that can collect user data and serve targeted ads (starwars.fedi is easy to target), they will dump enough money to push out the hobbyists. The hobbyists will not go away, but they won’t be needed anymore.

That’s when you’ll see the disruptor. Someone who comes into the space like Google did, and the fediverse will be an open protocol that is dominated by a few massive interests.

All in all, I’m not predicting doom, just the natural course of events, which actually will be great for the fediverse. Just like I love my gmail.com account more than my hotcity.com account, I think the future of the fediverse is bright, even if corporate interests get heavily involved, and dominate the 'verse, because there will always be room for innovations, and hobbyists, and while a single company could dominate, the protocol is still open for anyone to do their own thing, and not be bound to a single company if they don’t want to be.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I think this is spot on. It’s completely foreseeable that a well funded enterprise could stand up an instance that’s super robust and can handle a lot more traffic than current ones. They could, say, attract celebrities to do AMAs and handle the load. Or maybe they could create some communities that they stock with a giant amount of useful content.

They’d do it for free, and it would just be another instance, but it would become invaluable, with more and more communities hosted there, and more and more users making it their home instance, until the owners felt they were valuable enough that they put their content behind a paywall or they start serving ads. Sure, people could just move to other instances, but the point would be that suddenly doing without them would be painful.

But unlike Reddit or Twitter, it’s not as much as all or nothing situation, and other instances can compete in the same realm.

Merulox ,
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Sounds like Microsoft’s embrace, extend, and extinguish

boonhet ,

Incidentally, Google is kinda doing this with email.

If you run your own email server for your business, they will rate limit you under the guise of spam protection, even if your emails are never caught in their spam filters. Some business reported up to 12 hour delays on their emails being delievered. They want everyone to use preferably their own service, or at least another major giant’s, so they can push the smaller players out of the market.

archomrade ,

TIHI

FizzOnMyJayce , to showerthoughts in Lemmy is so good right now for no particular reason

Still getting used to all the different servers/instances but it’s promising

ExchangeInteraction , to askscience in Does faster than light travel violate causality? Why/Why not? How?

This argument, as far as I know, relies on the nature of time dilation. You see as your velocity increases closer and closer to the speed of light, time itself begins to slow down. This is not an analogy or some fancy math trick, this is a real thing you can measure in the lab. As you get closer and closer to the speed of light time slows more and more. Such that as you reach the speed of light (again this is physically impossible at least for anything with mass) you can think of time as stopping. So for light or anything that moves at the speed of light they’re kind of isn’t such a thing as time, but I digress.

So (again even though it’s actually impossible), what happens as you start to go faster than light? Does this trend continue? If it does that would mean that time starts to reverse. And once you see that faster than light travel might imply time reversal, it should be easier to understand how this would violate causality. Because how do you get event A caused by event B when event B was before even A?

surepancakes OP ,

Thank you for your answer. When viewed from this perspective it makes more sense.

Nemo , to nostupidquestions in Lemmy vs kbin?

I’m also confused. I joined lemmy instance, but I can browse kbin.social. I didn’t even realize that kbin was anything different than one more lemmy instance.

Beej , to showerthoughts in If we call reddit users redditors, what do we call lemmy users

Lemmywinks

BananaTrifleViolin , (edited ) to nostupidquestions in So how long until the Fediverse is monetized?

It already is. As soon as something like this is internet facing, you get search companies and now AI companies mining data to use for commercial applications.

In terms of the sites themselves though, it'll vary and depend. As it grows in populatity, there will be monetised content in plain sight (think all those secretly sponsored and advertising posts on reddits used to try and push products subtly - the bigger the user base, the more attractive it is to target users with hidden advertising), and then there will be what the servers do themselves. Some may exist on donations, but others may chose to try to place adverts, others may go for subscriptions.

Ultimately there does need to be money coming in from somewhere to keep the services going. There are many free success stories: Wikipedia continues to be free, without adverts, thanks to donations from users and sponsor organisations. Mozilla continues to produce a free open source browser through a mix of donations, sponsor organisations, and paid search deals. Linux is a huge free open system, with a mix of donations, sponsor organisations and commercialisation of the ecosystem.

There isn't really a reason why social media can't also be "free" for consumers, but we don't know yet how that will play out. On traditional social media, the user is the product - our data is mined, we're marketed at, we're advertised at, our data is sold on. The fediverse breaks alot of these methods - or more accurately it opens up these methods to everyone as anyone can access much of the data, removing the value companies have in monopolising and gate keeping the data. It's a double edged sword, but be in no doubt even in the fediverse companies can and will monetise whatever data they can get their hands on.

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