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Kaboom , to greentext in Anon browses Lemmy

Probably someone tired of the upvote bait

brygphilomena , to selfhosted in Email wowsers continue

On her computer, why not just use Thunderbird on it? Or even outlook, or whatever she likes. She just needs to pick the software.

On her phone, or even yours, why the stuff with accessing Thunderbird through vnc. Just add the server to whatever mail app on your phones?

If you want a web based thing, roundcube or sogo. But Thunderbird is gonna suck the way you are trying to use it.

werefreeatlast OP ,

You’re right. I was just trying something different. My thinking was…hmm I don’t need a full SMTP IMAP system, Thunderbird can do that. So I searched and found a dockerized Thunderbird. But it turns out to be an idiotic implementation. Why would I install a full OS system to VNC into it to use an app inside of it. But maybe that’s easier for some people than to try and come up with a better way to send and receive authenticated emails?

I just posted this latest email about a traffic violation apparently. It’s just a scam. A fantastic scam too.

RedWeasel , to programmerhumor in The C++ learning process

I started to learn C++ once, had semester and couldn’t wrap my head around the object oriented part. At some point I looked at learning objective C on my own, though I didn’t really use it. I had a 1000x better understanding after an hour.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I learned it while at the same time learning (or really enhancing my previous knowledge of) javascript, thanks to an insane mostly-Finnish app development platform known as Qt Creator, which for no rational reason uses C++ for the under-hood-stuff and javascript for the UI front end. Just an absolutely horrible mismatch of mental states. For bonus points, the company that I worked for that used this monstrosity for its suite of apps got purchased by a huge west coast company and the apps were shut down and everybody was fired, after two years of my working on this shit.

tiredofsametab ,

Something like ruby is a pretty quick way to get up and running with something easy and object-oriented. Groovy if you already have a jvm running (though ruby might be easier depending upon your background)

FlorianSimon ,

Is Groovy still a thing?

tiredofsametab ,

I would assume so. Grails basically died to SpringBoot (which I thought was sad from years ago as I thought grails did some things better), but I mainly have worked in Go for the last 5 years and a lot of PHP and Java in the 5 before that (then Grails, J2EE, Perl, ASP (pre-dot-net), etc. before all that).

NegativeLookBehind , to linux in Why is my ethernet not showing up in ifconfig?
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Is the module loaded?

neidu2 OP , (edited )

Derp, I don’t think I ever did a modprobe. Anyway, I did an rmmod as I found out that there’s a newer version out, and I’m currently working on building the new version.

UPDATE: Newer version built, installed, and loaded.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Cool. Wondering if dmesg will give more detail as well, once the kmod is loaded. Let me know how it goes!

neidu2 OP , (edited )

Pretty much when you posted that, I found this in my dmesg:


<span style="color:#323232;">[  715.744332] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6: Interrupt Throttling Rate (ints/sec) set to dynamic conservative mode
</span><span style="color:#323232;">[  715.965683] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6: The NVM Checksum Is Not Valid
</span><span style="color:#323232;">[  716.008541] e1000e: probe of 0000:00:1f.6 failed with error -5
</span>

Just for the record, I compared modinfo up against lspci, and the PCI ID matches, so the driver should work. Is it possible to ignore the NVM checksum and try anyway? Because any tool I can find that communicates with the EEPROM on a hardware level is made for msdos.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately this is uncharted territory for me. I did a quick web search though, and you aren’t alone. At least a few people have had the same problem before.

30p87 , (edited )

I had that issue for months. There is no real solution afaik. Apparently, reading the NVM checksum is just not possible on Linux with this chip. It always defaults to 0xFFFFFF I believe. In theory you could write some value, to reset it, but it gave me some permissions error. I resorted to get the source of the kernel, patch out the checking code, compile just the module and then install it. I created a PKGBUILD for it, and I’m currently trying to make it a DKMS package, so you don’t have to reboot first to manually rebuild it.
As you use Debian, you’ll need to create a manual compiling script, but here are my PKGBUILDs for reference: git.30p87.de/30p87/e1000e-nocksum-kerneNote that you need to swap out the kernel source link to the source of your current kernel version.

The current problem is, that you need to reboot to update to a new kernel version, which then means the custom driver will not work anymore, and you need an internet connection to rebuild it, as it will need the most recent kernel version. So never kernel update without wifi in reach.

I will first make it a DKMS package, to ease some of the pain, and then see if I can make it debian compatible.

halm , (edited ) to fediverse in Using messaging protocols (XMPP, Matrix, etc) for federated social media vs. ActivityPub?
@halm@leminal.space avatar

another for matrix I forget

If you or anybody else reading should remember the project, I’d be interested in hearing more.

Edit: If it’s this one you’re forgiven for not committing the name to memory…

hardcoreufo , (edited ) to linux_gaming in What gamepad?

Huh I have that same controller with the 2.4ghz receiver dock and have no issues. I only use it with my htpc running bazzite. I don’t remember if I’ve played crosscode with it but I’ll check it out and report back. Every other game has been great.

Edit: 8bitdo Ultimate 2.4ghz worked just fine with Crosscode for me.

Pechente , to greentext in Anon browses Lemmy

Probably the guy using some weird lemmy client that’s in alpha that triggered a swipe gesture without the user noticing it.

ShinkanTrain , to memes in the Germ-ans

Italian not missing a beat in making things sound like pasta.

Wait that’s what bowtie pasta is named after isn’t it

flicker ,

Should be butterfly pasta! We’ve been robbed!

Scrollone ,

In Italian, butterfly, bowtie and the kind of pasta are all called “farfalla”. Which has come first, though?

breakfastmtn , to fediverse in What made everyone move to Bluesky or Threads instead of Mastodon?
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar
  1. There are more people there.
  2. Fewer people even know the Fediverse exists at all.
  3. Mastodon (where most would probably move from Twitter) has a reputation for being more difficult to use.
Flax_vert , to nostupidquestions in Why I Haven't Seen Any Trump Supporters In Fediverse (Lemmy and Mastodon)?

I don’t like the deranged trumpists but unfortunately there’s not much Christian discussion on here and ! [email protected] gets downvote brigaded

FlorianSimon ,

People are pissed about all the harm christianity is causing in the world. In a community that is more likely to consider religion to be the “opium of the people”, you won’t find much support for christianity, I’m afraid. Even if you’re not part of the people using your beliefs as a weapon to oppress.

Flax_vert ,

But downvoting posts just because they’re Christian in nature is just purely religious bigotry. Anti-theism isn’t much better, if not worse, depending on how someone follows their religion.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

Those dang anti-theists, with all their crusades, and inquisitions, and molestation scandals. At least when theists isolate you from your friends and family for being gay, or leaving an abusive relationship, it’s done in the name of God. What’s the anti-theists excuse?

Flax_vert ,

This is actually laughable, but I’ll point out your own hypocrisy.

Anti theism is desiring the eradication of all belief in God and mandatory atheism. By default and nature, it is bigoted and worse than everything you listed. But sure, let’s entertain this anyway.

The aim of the Crusades were about taking back the Holy Lands from the occupying Muslim forces. Sure, religion was involved, but the same stuff happens with National ideology. Like Russia “taking back” Crimea in 2014. So getting rid of religion won’t stop things like this happening. Throughout modern history, most major wars were based on a secular political ideology, notably the First World, Second World, Cold, Korean and Vietnam wars.

Second - Molestation scandals. These happen in any organisation, and like wars, aren’t inherently religious. Of course, large churches were a good target for child molestors, but the same thing happens with schools, generic celebrity stuff and broadcasting corporations. Sometimes on a bigger scale than the scandals in the Roman Catholic Church. Anything that gives anyone positions of power.

Third - Let’s list some prominent anti-theist regimes.

USSR - 1.2 Million killed in the purge.

People’s Republic of China - “Fatality estimates vary across different sources, ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions, or even tens of millions.” (Of deaths in the cultural revolution). Christianity is still persecuted to this day, and the state can be described as anti-theistic.

Nazi Germany - 6 million Jews killed in the holocaust. Very arguably anti theist as Hitler tried to eradicate Jews and suppressed Christianity that wasn’t theologically liberal in his favour.

Obviously not everyone was killed in the precise name of anti-theism, but it still shows that the problem isn’t religion, which anti theism makes it out to be.

Lastly, in the People’s Republic of China, people are often shunned for divorce and homosexuality, and it’s still a very atheistic country.

For myself, I have never shunned anyone based on sexual orientation, gender identity or relationship status. I have never called for any of these people to be killed by the state for these either. I do not believe the state should be enforcing Christianity when someone’s immorality isn’t hindering anybody else (Such as Homosexuality or Polygamy) Yet if the anti theists had their way, they’d have me persecuted and likely killed because I am a Christian.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar
  1. That was the aim of some crusades, there were also the northern crusades which had the goal of slaying pagans and forcibly converting people to Christianity. Obviously not all war comes from religion, but Christianity does seem to have a penchant for interfaith violence.
  2. Not only have there been an out sized number of sex abuse scandals involving christian churches (most prominently the Catholic church) there’s been a clear pattern of retaliation, cover-ups, and defense of abusers. When there’s a scandal in a public school, the offender is fired and indicted. The church has routinely shielded offending priests, shuffling them around to avoid accountability.
  3. Nazi Germany was theistic, 98.5% of Nazis were Christians. Their belt buckles had “God is with us” inscribed on them. There has been more violence waged against theists by other theists than by anti-theists. Interfaith wars, sectarian violence, pogroms, inquisitions, forced conversions, over a thousand years of history shows clear patterns of religious violence. The USSR was anti-theistic (at least originally), and their persecution of religious people was wrong, but pretending that every anti-theist supports violent purges of the faithful is absurd. I am not an anti-theist, but I have friends who are, and they just want to be left alone.
Flax_vert ,

1: Again, my point was that not all wars are religion based. Islam also have a penchant for it. The Bible doesn’t advocate war either (in fact, Jesus seems to imply the opposite) 2: The issue is an organisation of the Roman Catholic Church, not the religion itself. Large organisations like that are houses of cards. 3: Sure, the nazis may have been theistic but fundamentalist/orthodox (small o) Christians were still persecuted for rightfully calling out the evils of the Nazi regime.

pretending that every anti-theist supports violent purges of the faithful is absurd.

So you’ll think that you’ll manage to get me to renounce my faith and stop believing using laws without having to kill me? 🤣 Anti theism is the advocation of removing and persecuting religion. “Wanting to be left alone” is more akin to secularism, where the government doesn’t have a support or bias for any religion.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar
  1. Yes, Islam and Christianity both have a penchant for holy wars.
  2. There are many large organizations that don’t put so much effort into shielding abusers.
  3. Anyone who called out the evils of the Nazi regime was persecuted, including atheists who were often labeled ‘Russian supporters’ due to their lack of faith. ‘Godless’ communists were the first targets of Nazism.

I think most modern anti-theists aren’t interested in forcibly converting anyone, they see the rise of atheism as inevitable. They want to remove religion from schools and public life, stop posting the ten commandments everywhere, stop putting ‘god’ on money, etc. at least that’s what I hear about.

I don’t think anti-theists need to be advocates of forcing people to stop being religious, they can simply be opposed to theism. Like I’m opposed to the smoking of tobacco, but I’m not interested in prohibiting it, I just think it’s unhealthy and the world would be a better place if there was less of it. I think that’s how many anti-theists feel about religion. At least that’s the impression that I get from talking with them.

Flax_vert ,

There are also many large organisations which do shield abusers, like the British Broadcasting Corporation. The Roman Catholic Church is one organisation.

These “modern anti-theists” are secularists. These “Anti-theists” are as bad as Satanists who absolutely pinky promise they don’t worship or love Satan, ACAB people who claim that All Cops Aren’t actually Bastards and it’s the institution, or White Supremacists who actually claim to only care about preserving their culture and not actually hate black people, and then complain when people get this negative perception of them outright because the Biblical character of Satan, hating literally every police officer, and claiming that white people are a superior race isn’t a nice thing.

I’ll call out anti theists and anyone who labels themself as one for the bigots they are. Secularists though, I understand and have no issue with.

Also, I have seen a few on Lemmy who have literally advocated for the legal persecution of Christians to my face.

TexMexBazooka ,

Oh nonono, we’re not playing the “but atheism is a religion too and it’s worse!” Garbage

Every Christian is “not like the other” Christians. The rhetoric isn’t welcomed on the fediverse because it’s poison.

Stuff gets downvoted when it hits the all page. The conservative communities have the same problem: they’re not wanted here.

LemurEyes ,

I’ve just subbed! I look forward to contributing to discussion in the future :)

SuperSpruce ,

NNN communities also get downvote brigaded, even though the famous Internet challenge is largely apolitical.

Flax_vert ,

Nofap communities? How? It sounds like the most harmless thing

CeruleanRuin , to science_memes in Moss

It always staggers me when I remember that for roughly sixty million years during the Carboniferous Period, there were trees but no microorganisms capable of decomposing them.

Just sixty million years of branches falling off and trees falling down and… just sitting there on the ground, not rotting at all.

XOXOX ,

Now consider wild fires during that period.

affiliate ,

they must have been wild

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Fire hadn’t been invented yet.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

You just ruined the song.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Was the world turning though?

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Not the song I mean, but thanks for the ear worm.

nikaaa ,

they said “wild fires”

just like wild horses, wild fires existed long before they were domesticated.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

It was a lot more fun to believe that coal was crushed dinosaurs.

pumpkinseedoil ,

We have oil for that

sushibowl ,

Note that although species can be described as tree-like, they didn’t quite look like modern trees do. Also, much of the world was swamp, and much of the dead plant material sank into these bogs and decayed into peat.

The amount of CO2 trapped during this period caused the atmosphere to be around 35% oxygen. This allowed life with inefficient respiratory systems to grow much bigger in size without suffocating, mainly insects. Think woodlice 6 feet long, spiders the size of dogs, millipedes as big as cars, and dragonflies as big as eagles.

hex ,

I LOVE the thought of a world-covering swamp with pseudo-trees and giant fucking bugs. Such a stimulating thought. I’d love to explore and see it.

crank0271 ,

Have you been to Florida, friend?

hex ,

Nope, but I was in Australia. Not quite as swampy.

RagingHungryPanda ,

Think woodlice 6 feet long, spiders the size of dogs, millipedes as big as cars, and dragonflies as big as eagles.

No, I don’t think I will

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Sus: bacteria predate trees by like… a lot. There may not be many fossils of them:-), but surely they would eat whatever they could.

noodlejetski , to fediverse in What made everyone move to Bluesky or Threads instead of Mastodon?
  1. marketing
  2. not having to pick the instance when registering
  3. people who have experienced Mastodon’s hermetic culture discouraging others from joining
  4. algorithms helping discover people and content to follow
  5. marketing

and I’m saying that as a firm Mastodon user and believer.

br3d ,

2 and 3 are massive. I’m on Mastodon, but am having a much better time on Bluesky. Mastodon is full of gatekeeping and policing and people complaining - Bluesky is just fun and interesting, like Twitter 12 years ago

Fiivemacs ,

like Twitter 12 years ago

So don’t use it then. Gotcha.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Who are these people who actually FIND users go follow on either service???

I have Bluesky. I have Mastodon. I log into each every few months, realize nothing has changed, and there is nobody to follow.

Then I don’t use either, until I wonder a few months later “heeeey, I wonder if people are on these services yet…”

Still no.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

Mastodon revolves around following topics and hashtags, not individuals. I learned that early on, and am having a much better experience.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Well then it will never be useful for me. I want to follow PEOPLE. I want people to follow me for the random shit I say.

Then they retweet the random shit, and now a whole NEW group of people can wonder what’s wrong with me.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

there’s plenty of that going on, too, just not on as large a scale.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Then it’s not the platform for you.

IIRC there’s an iOS only frontend that fills that niche.

Also there is a trending section but its hidden behind the “explore” page, along with the search function. One of many reasons I really don’t like Mastodon.

jollyroberts ,

I follow hashtags I like, then see who the people are who use those tags, then follow those people.

I find that I discover people that way I would not have found otherwise.

It's worked well for me so far. I wasn't a twitter person before though, so I don't know if I have the experience you did for comparison.

Lost_My_Mind ,

See, I already know who I want to follow. I want to follow Nintendo. I want to follow Game Grumps. I want to follow my local pro wrestling indy. I want to follow MXRPlays.

But none of them are on the fediverse. Although, Andy Richter is on BlueSky. So that’s something…I guess…

jollyroberts ,

Ah, yeah fair point there.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I want to follow Game Grumps

Word.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

If you start following hashtags, then you find interesting people. There are also curated lists that you can sign up for. That will introduce you to a lot of new content.

Plopp ,

Put hashtags on your random shit and more people will find it

Lost_My_Mind ,

I’m going to copy/paste my last comment. You tell me what hashtag I’m supposed to use.

ABYSS LOVES CHICKEN WINGS!!!

CLAP-CLAP-CLAPCLAPCLAP

Plopp ,
db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Sounds like a worse lemmy 😅

TheTechnician27 ,
@TheTechnician27@lemmy.world avatar

Not really. In terms of engaging with posts, oh my god, absolutely it’s worse. Twitter and its clones suck when it comes to engaging with things people post (but Mastodon at least makes it a bit better by increasing the character limit). But there’s just something different about following a hashtag versus following a Lemmy community. Like for example, when it comes to getting highly detailed, up-to-the-minute news about things, Mastodon beats Lemmy every time. Additionally, I can see people’s random, one-off takes that wouldn’t really warrant a post on Lemmy.

I would argue too that it’s not even true that you should just be focused on following hashtags, but rather that you should be trying to do both.

To me, Lemmy is the type of place I could kill two hours; for Mastodon, it’s maybe 15 minutes, but that doesn’t make it inferior, just a different use-case. It’s pretty apples-to-oranges.

Glasgow ,

Use lists on bsky to find people.

And just gained a million people, biggest spike yet. So should be a bit more active.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Yeah, but won’t those 1 million all be speaking spanish?

Lanusensei87 ,
@Lanusensei87@lemmy.world avatar

*Portuguese

Lost_My_Mind ,

Potato/Tomato.

abff08f4813c ,

I guess some people don't get the joke.

The sayings potato/potahto and tomato/tomahto mean they're the same thing.

No one in their right mind would say a potato is a tomato or vice versa, just like no one would ever argue Portuguese and Spanish are the same. They're both of a category (veggies and languages respectively) but totally different and distinct items within that category.

Lost_My_Mind ,

First person to get it right.

tigerjerusalem ,

Nope, portuguese

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Also no one pays attention to language settings on Mastodon so your threads are full of German and French speakers with no way to filter them.

kratoz29 ,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

This is the thing I dislike more about Mastodon, I do not know if Lemmy handles it differently, but I don’t have this problem with Lemmy.

Glasgow ,

It’s 2m now.

And plenty of them pick up English online

xnx ,

There’s algorithms you can subscribe to and use to discover people based on your interests. Theres also algorithms that show you posts based on who you follow and what posts you like. You can also enable your normal Following feed to show you some algorithm posts

Lost_My_Mind ,

I’m following like 3 people. One is a bot that reposts things from twitter. One is a bot that posts local weather. And one is what I THOUGHT was Nintendo, but turns out it’s just [email protected].

xnx ,

Well that’s the issue then stop following bots? Look up a hashtag or keyword and find people or subscribe to one of the many algorithms

Eldritch ,

Depends a bit on the type of person and content you want to follow. But if you like retro computer Shenanigans etc. I know action retro is on Lemmy and Mastodon and I follow them on mastodon. But yes General content for the normies probably not so much.

fmstrat ,
  1. Is bigger than the rest.

Take Brazil. Blusky saw the writing on the wall with Twitter, so they threw a ton of money into media. Guess where everyone went.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Do you have a source for that?

fmstrat ,

Nothing specific, just knowledge from those closer, and not likely they’ll publicize ad spend, but uptick was seen. Bluesky ads started around April when they had the big influx after the first suspension. Overview, but not a reference: www.bbc.com/portuguese/articles/cm2nkdkypk7o

blue_berry ,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

Regarding 2: you can also join the Fediverse this way with certain clients I believe. You are automatically signed up for lemmy.world for example

djsaskdja ,

The over policing thing is so true. I’ve gotten messages from techhub.social mods with warnings about making jokes that even hinted at breaking one of their precious rules. Like if I did something wrong, ban me I guess. It’s pretty clear I didn’t and the mod just wanted to flex his power towards me.

halm ,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Marketing, sure, but the onboarding from Instagram was a massive factor for Threads growth.

Coelacanth ,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I’m not on any of the services currently, but I have tried Mastodon in the past and point 4. was what made me bounce off it. I know Mastodon flaunts its algorithm-free feed as almost a point of pride, but as a user it just doesn’t do it for me. I could not get it to serve me the type of content I wanted the way I wanted, and it just felt like way too much work for what I was looking for.

doctortofu ,
@doctortofu@reddthat.com avatar

I solved this issue by following multiple tags that interest me. People tend to tag their posts on Mastodon it seems, so discovering posts about, say, wine and cacti is as easy as following and so on and so forth - it’s working pretty good for me without an algorithm recommending stuff to me, maybe it’s worth a try?

Coelacanth ,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I’d still rather have algorithmic recommendations of what’s been “hot” lately in the tags I follow over a chronological feed. But I’m considering giving Sharkey/Firefish/Iceshrimp another go.

ristoril_zip ,

If Mastodon wins out in the long run the only reason will be persistence.

All these other “like Twitter but ______” micro blogging or whatever sites only stay viable while they’re profitable.

If Bluesky or Threads become (net) unprofitable, they’ll die. Mastodon is already unprofitable, so that can’t kill it.

I think we could compete with #1 just by word of mouth.

For #2 some person or group needs to develop a Mastodon app (FOSS obviously) that has a “just do this part for me” option, probably automatically enabled.

#3 is on us. We have to do what we can to make Mastodon (and Lemmy) more open and accepting without falling pretty to the paradox of tolerance.

#4 is hard… Although I think if Mastodon follows or tries to replicate the “early” Facebook user experience where most or all of the content people got was from people they follow, that could be better. The only challenge is that algorithms tickle our anger/hate/disgust impulses to drive and maintain engagement. That’s some very strong “lizard brain” stuff.

So… let’s get going y’all! :)

Klear ,

I think we could compete with #1 just by word of mouth.

There’s no way in hell, even if you ignore #5

ristoril_zip ,

Hmmm maybe we should ignore #1 and focus on #5 then

stsquad ,

There are some advantages to algorithms for discovery - it’s certainly is more user friendly. It’s just a shame they tend to enshitify or become toxic. Bluesky seem to offer an API of sorts to plug in feeds you create. Perhaps open algorithms are more accountable?

AceFuzzLord ,

Absolutely agree with point 2, not just for Mastodon, but others like here on Lemmy or Misskey or whatever it may be.

The process of finding an instance can sometimes be annoying because you might find an instance that sounds alright, like I did for Mastodon, and then find that there’s the problem of sign-ups not available. That, and signing up for the instance I got on then had a waiting period for account review and all that before I could do anything.

I assume, from what I’ve heard, all you gotta do for threads and bluesky is just sign up and start posting with less effort, which is what the majority of people want.

Zak , to fediverse in What made everyone move to Bluesky or Threads instead of Mastodon?
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

They have marketing budgets.

ALostInquirer , (edited )

Does Bluesky? Have they been running marketing? Much of what I’ve seen/heard of it has been more a result of Twitter imploding and people bringing up alternatives than any concerted marketing pushes.

edited for clarity, realized I’d overlooked Threads mention

far_university190 , to memes in the Germ-ans

𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉

lime ,

mfer nationalised the comments section just like they did the swedish nuclear power plants

I_Clean_Here ,

Germans nationalized Swedish power plants? TIL

lime ,

yeah, Uniper is a major stakeholder in the Oskarshamn and Forsmark power plants, and it was absorbed into the German state in 2022.

pseudo ,
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

Non ! Tokebakicitte !

mryessir ,
SnotFlickerman , to fediverse in What made everyone move to Bluesky or Threads instead of Mastodon?
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Valid question, but Americans in particular are easily swayed by the fact that the corporate ownership is listed as a “Public Benefit Corporation.” Bluesky is a PBC and for most people that’s enough “proof” that they will “be for the public good.”

In that it is set up to “benefit the public good” people just… buy into that, even if the company isn’t actually benefitting the public good.

Look at how long it took for people to wise up that the Susan G. Komen foundation was spending most of its money on their CEOs and ads and very little on actually helping people.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Susan_G._Komen_for_the_Cure#Pi…

For the general public, Open Source generally means “difficult to set up and use with bad user interface.”

And yes, the whole self-hosting thing with numerous servers is confusing to people who have never had to step outside of the corporate-dominated internet.

All that is self-evident based on the original reddit exodus to here on Lemmy. The initial exodus lead to tons of people complaining about lack of features on Lemmy with very few people actually stepping up to contribute to the code-base to bring those features to light. They’re just far too used to private company doing all that “for free” (*cough for all your private data cough) and struggle to understand how the different way it is set up means you don’t get all the fancy features from the get-go.

So people saw an option with corporate sponsorship and money behind it, and they leap to that. Also I’m sure Bluesky is investing in advertising their product, which is competing with zero advertising dollars spend on the no-corporate fediverse.

conciselyverbose ,

To be fair, people having ideas for features is a valuable contribution in its own right.

Entitlement to them, not so much. But feature suggestions have value even if many of them aren’t practical and many more never get added.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Agreed, but during the exodus it was less “this is a positive feature that we need and I’m willing to be patient” it was more like:

“This feature not existing is why no one will ever use this product! I’m sick of this and going back to reddit!” after being on Lemmy for 10 fucking minutes.

JayTreeman ,

Oddly enough that secondary exodus is probably why this place is so much more positive

breakfastmtn ,
@breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t disagree with your points but I think they apply to pretty specific groups. I doubt that the average person knows or cares that Bluesky is a PBC. The reaction of the average person to ‘open source’ is probably, “I have no idea what that is and please for the love of god don’t explain it to me.”

Lost_My_Mind ,

The initial exodus lead to tons of people complaining about lack of features on Lemmy with very few people actually stepping up to contribute to the code-base to bring those features to light.

Dude…I have zero clue how to use linux. Which I assume is easier than writting code. You think I’m going to write a program in C++ or whatever language?

Saying the users aren’t developing the program is like saying the hospital patients aren’t willing to be their own doctor.

Users will ALWAYS bring up issues, and if the developers want the platform to grow, they’ll implement upgrades to fix those issues.

Otherwise, you just have a userbase that rejects your platform, goes somewhere else, and a small group on the platform wondering why it’s not growing.

Which is basically the core of this post.

dameoutlaw ,

This is weird on multiple levels, Bluesky code is Open Source, it’s federated and no one gives a damn about it being a PBC. It’s mostly about culture why people have gone to Bluesky and Threads

dch82 OP ,

No, AT is open source, not Bluesky

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