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Spaceinv8er , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

This is just my opinion but most comic book based games suck anyway.

UnderpantsWeevil , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t feel practical to enforce, save in so far as it lets them put you on a list of people not to extend future early-release games to. But you have to assume they were already doing that, as any marketing department worth its salt is going to have a boutique set of insider streamers who are effectively just contracted media flaks plugging your product.

On today’s episode of “This shouldn’t be legal”…

Think about it this way. The same guys who stream video game reviews to make money are paid by the advertisers who sponsor their streams. And the sponsor won’t pay for a stream if its disparaging of their content. So the streamer is being paid to cut an ad.

Imagine if you hired someone to go door-to-door selling people your sandwiches. And in the middle of each sales call the guys you hired would take a big bite, spit out the sandwich, and say “This is awful! I hate it!” What are you paying these asshole for?

Just stop pretending streamers are these independent objective observers and recognize them for what they are - online door-to-door sales guys. These early releases are just their sales kits. And why am I going to extend a sales kit to a guy who isn’t going to sell my shit?

haui_lemmy , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

This is market manipulation at its best. The whole board should be jailed for it.

Emerald ,

This is market manipulation at its best.

yes

The whole board should be jailed for it.

no

haui_lemmy ,

no

Yes

Emerald ,

No

MIDItheKID ,

Maybe

Emerald ,

so

ilinamorato , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

They saw what MKBHD’s honest reviews did to Fisker and Humane and said “can we stop that from happening?”

caboose2006 , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

“I signed a contract that forbids me from saying anything negative about this game. I am therefore contractually obligated to say nothing”

explodicle ,

This game doesn’t ruin your entire day by playing it for even a second.

vinhill ,

By the contract, you couldn’t say anything detrimental about the game, so such a statement would still be forbidden. Whether such a vague limitation on what a content creator can say would hold up in court is a different thing.

FiniteBanjo , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Does the contract also require a review to be made at all?

viking , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

It says not to leave “subjective bad reviews”. As in, objectively bad is fine.

Damaskox ,
@Damaskox@lemmy.world avatar

Care to clarify what is objectively bad? Like, an example

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

In the context of a game, let’s say a clearly outdated graphics engine that everyone can agree on looks very dated. Or game-stopping bugs. Constant crashes. Etc.

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  • Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Graphics aren’t the same as aesthetics.

    The graphics can be objectively bad in so far as the technology used may be out dated, less sophisticated, or slower than other implementations.

    Aesthetics (how everything looks) are subjective.

    Guest_User ,

    Game kills all life on earth when starting

    Konraddo ,

    My understanding is that Digital Foundry type of performance review is fine, but comments on how the control feels laggy or the game is a lower-tier copycat of Overwatch are not okay.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    It also says you can’t compare it to other games “maliciously.” What the fuck does that even mean?

    “Marvel Rivals is just as bad as Cyberpunk 2077 at launch.”

    ???

    xavier666 ,

    We just have a give a positive spin

    “The game is really good at sucking”

    “This game would definitely win an honorary award for ‘Games I don’t Care About’”

    “This Christmas I would gift the game to all my cousins whom I hate”

    tegs_terry ,

    Good whom.

    MIDItheKID ,

    It’s going to be relentlessly compared to OverWatch. It’s basically an OverWatch clone with Marvel characters.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Oh my bad.

    “It’s just as bad as OverWatch 2.”

    ICastFist ,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Not being able to make satirical comments about any game-related material would mean nobody could say something like, “Controlling Iron Man feels like fighting Jarvis for control of the suit”, or “Storm is as effective as a light breeze”

    JoMiran , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar
    simple OP ,

    Thanks for the link, just posted it.

    fosho ,

    these ass hats know what they are risking. they just plan for a “sorry we got caught” apology ready if needed in the hopes that they get away with it.

    JoMiran , (edited )
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    You might be right. This might not have been a mistake. Some creators in the Twitter thread said that they brought it up ahead of time but the company sent those agreements out as is anyway.

    Skates , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

    Oh, you want only good reviews? It’d be a shame if people reviewed your game like “I apologize, I have nothing to say - I am under contract to say nothing bad about the game, and I have nothing good to say about it either.”

    blazeknave , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

    Not bootlicking, just reading the letter of the law. I read this more as “don’t be a total dick about it” so I’d love to hear a contract attorney’s take on this.

    OsrsNeedsF2P ,

    ??? There’s nothing in this wording that implies anything more than “don’t negatively review us”

    EatATaco ,

    There’s nothing in this wording that implies anything more than “don’t negatively review us”

    It’s says subjective negative reviews. it seems if you say “It kept crashing” or “this feature wasn’t working” or “this feature was super bugged” those aren’t subjective.

    Tnaeriv ,

    All reviews are subjective by definition. Your examples are observations, not reviews. A review is my opinion of the product based on my experience. Like honestly, if you ever wrote a review about anything on Steam, or IMDB, or GoodReads or whatever, go find it and remove everything that’s subjective and see what you’ll end up with. Not like you’d be able to post it, because they require you give a score, which is inherently subjective.

    EatATaco ,

    There’s nothing in the definition of review that requires it to be subjective. It’s shocking that you didn’t even stop to look it up to first figure out if this is accurate.

    Tnaeriv ,

    I did and it does. For example the Merriam-Webster English Dictionary defines review as:

    a critical evaluation

    Whereas evaluation is defined as:

    determination of the value, nature, character, or quality of something or someone

    It’s subtle, but it’s in there. The examples you gave don’t fall under this definition, as they don’t determine anything, they’re just statements of facts. However the statement “this game is shit” is a determination of quality and thus a review. If you just stop for a moment and think about it, you’ll realise that it is impossible to determine the quality of a video game in a purely objective way.

    EatATaco ,

    you’ll realise that it is impossible to determine the quality of a video game in a purely objective way.

    The only subtle thing here is the subtle change in your wording from simple “review” to “determine the quality.” I agree with you there, as whether you think something is good or bad is subjective.

    But it appears you realize Im right, which is why you’re trying to reframe it. Why is it hard for you to admit you were wrong? It’s okay, no one is perfect.

    Tnaeriv ,

    I literally gave you a definition that says a review means to determine quality, I just assumed you would make the connection between that definition and the sentence you quoted, but apparently you’re too dense for that. The only error I made in this conversation is assuming that your reading comprehension is above that of a 3rd grader

    EatATaco , (edited )

    I literally gave you a definition that says a review means to determine quality

    Or” do you really not know what that word means? Do you really not realize that when you cherry pick one part of a definition that it doesn’t mean none of the others apply?

    Are.you really such an idiot that you don’t know this? Or is it just that you’re willing to be completely dishonest in defense of your ego?

    And of course you don’t address the fact that I called out your reframing. Stupid and dishonest. Lol

    Tnaeriv ,

    You’re only strengthening my theory that you have absolutely no reading comprehension. Or you’re just trolling. Literally none of the things you just said make any logical sense whatsoever and I refuse to believe that anyone that passed elementary school can be so absolutely illiterate.

    Please do tell me how if I wrote the whole definition there of “determination of the value, nature, character, or quality of something or someone” instead of shortening it to just “determine quality” it would make my entire point completely invalid.

    And literally how can you look at my comment and, with straight face, say that I didn’t address your claim of “reframing”. It was all literally addressing it. But ok, you’re a moron so you might have not understood my point so let me put it in simpler terms:

    Me show you the definition of word Me give an example Me refer to definiton to show example can be described with word You: that’s reframing

    Do you see how absurdly idiotic you’re being?

    EatATaco ,

    Please do tell me how if I wrote the whole definition there of “determination of the value, nature, character, or quality of something or someone” instead of shortening it to just “determine quality” it would make my entire point completely invalid.

    You see that “or” in the definition? The word I already pointed out to you in the previous post? It does not mean “the one thing from this list that I get to pick because it makes me not wrong” it means “any of these things.” I can’t believe someone insulting me as “not having the reading comprehension of a third grader” needs this explained. It’s honestly hilarious. Although, can we appreciate for a second that you first said it was “subtle” but now are trying to argue that “it so obvious even a third grader would figure it out.” lmao. This is classic. Please keep it up.

    Do you see how absurdly idiotic you’re being?

    If I’m being absurdly idiotic, god help us because no way in hell we’re going to be able to come up with a term describe your stupidity. You’re not giving us nearly enough space to reach the depths of your stupidity if the fact that I understand what “or” means makes me “absurdly idiotic.” lol

    Katana314 ,

    I sort of saw it that way, but the last bit about “subjective negative reviews” seems unusual even for contracts.

    There’s enough lazy rage bait “Turns out X is DOGSHIT?!?” videos out there that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to put some terms in expecting some professional effort. But disallowing even polite criticisms definitely seems too far.

    merthyr1831 ,

    The opinion of what is and isnt “subjective” is up for a lot of debate even if you dont personally have a major stake in a videogame’s marketing campaign (such as the authors and enforcers of these contracts).

    echodot ,

    The content creator agrees not to make public comments that are detrimental to the reputation of the game

    Sounds pretty clear-cut, if you say anything bad about the game regardless of if it’s true or not then you’re in violation of this contract. That’s ridiculous.

    They’re are actually saying you can’t criticize the game. Now, you tell me who is the arbiter of what is and isn’t “criticism”, because it never says constructive criticism isn’t criticism so presumably is also not allowed.

    g0d0fm15ch13f , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
    @g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok regardless of whether or not you should be able to. Why the fuck would you? Wouldn’t it be in your ultimate best interest to recieve negative feedback early? So that it could be addressed?

    jj4211 ,

    I wager they are angling for the negative feedback to be private.

    pyre , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

    i feel bad for the developers who worked on it because from what i played so far it looks like a surprising amount of love and care was put into the game. they didn’t need something like this at all to get generally favorable first impressions. shameful display from the suits who are always ready to ruin everything.

    AngryMob ,

    Blink twice if you signed the contract…

    pyre ,

    seriously, i was expecting a complete farce of a game considering it’s fucking NetEase but i was pleasantly surprised. the visuals, lighting and shaders, the particle effects, the UI, everything is so thoughtfully made and in line with the theme. even the alternate skins have “inspired by this comic issue” note attached.

    AngryMob ,

    Sounds pretty good. Personally i have no interest in Marvel stuff so its not up my alley, but i always like it when a fanbase gets something they enjoy. Have fun!

    Apeman42 , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
    @Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

    This is utter hogshit, but also seems relatively easy to work around. “I am legally forbidden from sharing my opinions on the quality of Marvel Rivals.” is a pretty clear and succinct review that technically flies under their legal fuckery.

    NOOBMASTER , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

    Iron Man is shooting green lasers? wtf?

    Edit: After watching the gameplay video, I can say it’s a similar game to Paladins by Hi-Rez studios. The only thing is that Paladins has EAC and makes it unplayable on my OS.

    IzzyScissor , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

    No satire either??

    So you can say nothing but praises for the game, but if they detect sarcasm, you’re STILL getting sued?

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