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Worx , to lemmyshitpost in Press Shift to Sprint

DID IT WORK AM I SPRINTING YET?

Pyro , to lemmyshitpost in Press Shift to Sprint

Or when it tells you where you can hide

Rossphorus , to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot

Some types of fusion can bypass steam generation and use what’s creatively called Direct Energy Conversion. If the fusion products are charged particles they can be passed through a magnetic field to separate them based on charge and collected onto plates. When you look at the electric potential between the plates you’ve effectively created a voltage, no steam necessary. It’s also theoretically possible to do the same with some types of fission products too.

anothercatgirl ,

I thought they take advantage of the velocity of the charged ions to magnetically transfer power to electromagnetic coils around the reactor.

Rossphorus ,

There’s a whole bunch of mechanisms, largely depending on the fusion architecture and the atoms being fused. For tokamak reactors the circular nature lends itself well to what you describe, though usually it’s energy being imparted into the ions to keep them contained and away from the walls. In the ‘standard’ deuterium-tritium fusion model (the easiest to perform) fusion produces a helium nucleus and a neutron, where the neutron gets most of the energy. Since a neutron can’t be contained by magnets it impacts the chamber walls. This heat is wicked away by, you guessed it, cooling water which turns into steam. In order to use a direct energy conversion strategy you need a fusion reaction that produces no neutrons, but we’re not there yet.

Kolanaki , (edited ) to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I like piezoelectrics and kinetic generators. The only two methods of generating electricity I know of that don’t involve steam other than solar panels.

At least, I think they’re different… Is a standard copper wire+magnet generator pizeoelectric? Or is it simply the operation is similar in that you generate electricity from moving things together? Like the difference between tiny little things in your shirt that generate electricity as you move around vs those flash lights you shake to charge.

frezik ,

Piezoelectric effect is when you vibrate certain crystals and they give off electricity. It’s also reversible. You can feed them electricity to generate sound. The beep-boop sound from small electronic devices is usually from a piezo speaker, because they’re dirt cheap.

You don’t get significant amounts of power out of it, though.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah it’s quartz lol

Also photovoltaic is reversible as well! Put light in get current out, put current in, get light out. But the diodes that get good light for the currents we use are shit for generating the current we like from the light we have and vice versa. Also! Most diodes are these types! That’s why we make their casing black, otherwise the light will interfere with computation!

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Yeah. The one thing I ever saw that has me excited for a product that could exist, is that they can power a simple OLED display. And since an OLED display can be paper thin, they could put one in a t-shirt and you could have an animated design on your shirt instead of just a static picture. And that would be dope.

Of course, you’d need more than just the display, and i don’t think the little generators that can be sewn into a shirt would be enough to power the computing device that would be necessary to drive the animation for the display.

skye ,
@skye@lemmy.world avatar

and then you also have to find ways to wash this shirt without ruining the electronics of it

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Dry cleaning.

captainlezbian ,

They’re different. The piezoelectric effect converts pressure to charge. However steam is just kinetic with an extra step

wellee , to lemmyshitpost in Oops

Lol. What the fuck

Taniwha420 ,

Like, what made him vomit, what was his vomit made of, and if that wasn’t a fucking joint then what was it?

FoxyGrandpa ,

The rumor I’ve heard is it was hair, which sounds vile enough to make some immediately vomit

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

yes

cactusupyourbutt ,

my personal experience with this is that I was talking medication that made me nauseaus. Did I learn to not smoke when nauseaus? No, but I got a bucket now

empireOfLove2 , (edited ) to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Water and steam just too goddamn convenient. Super high latent heat so it can move a ton of energy with a quick phase change, works at reasonable pressures and temperatures, stays liquid all the time when you want it to so pumps work, and it’s so readily available as to be damn near free. Super cool!

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

also almost non-corrosive, non-toxic, doesn’t damage ozone layer, zero global warming potential, non-flammable etc (lots of organic rankine cycle fluids fail one or more of these. tradeoff is utilization of lower temperature sources)

marcos ,

zero global warming potential

This one isn’t right. Nobody will complain about you releasing it, but it’s a quite strong global warming gas.

Belgdore ,

But it can be contained and condensed for reused.

empireOfLove2 , (edited )
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Very strong GWP, but it does this cool thing where it condenses when it hits colder air and falls back to the ground in liquid state, thus removing itself from the atmosphere…

(It’s equivalent GWP is near zero and is estimated to be between 0.0005 and )

something_random_tho ,

Tell me more about this incredible process. Does it have a name?

Klear ,

If it doesn’t I propose a simple and descriptive “waterfall”.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I prefer the more poetic “God pissing on the monkeys”

SeekPie ,

What would the white stuff that comes from the sky then be called?

anothercatgirl ,

precipitation

wewbull ,

Power station fall-out

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

it condenses when it hits colder air and falls back to the ground in liquid state, thus removing itself from the atmosphere

Oh sure … blame it on the rain.

Car ,

It’s great for nuclear reactors. Hot rock make turbine go brrr

Steve ,

Best explanation of nuclear energy I’ve ever heard

Steve ,

Nuclear energy is solar too

anothercatgirl ,

nah not solar, the energy comes not from Sol the star, but from dead stars of past.

wewbull ,

Him: Our sun is a nuclear reactor too.

You: Our nuclear reactors are made of dead suns.

Both right, yet disagreeing.

Reddfugee42 ,

In the same way that hydrogen, given sufficient time, turns into people

Glowstick , (edited ) to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot

Solar photovoltaic is the only one i can think of that isn’t just a fancy way to make steam

EDIT

ok let’s clarify to say a method that isn’t related to movement of a fluid that spins a turbine. So not windmills (air is a fluid), not hydro, not geothermal, etc.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

All power generation is either solar or ‘make thing spin’, unless we’re including RTGs and Piezoelectrics.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

All of these are in some way heat engines

herrvogel ,

Yeah but those heat engines don’t rely on spinning things inside a magnetic field. Heat on one side, less heat on the other side, and you have current. No motors.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

even photovoltaics are heat engines in broad definition

herrvogel ,

We’re all heat engines on this blessed day if you broaden the definition enough.

Steve ,

Solar thermal power…

Turun ,

Yes? Makes things spin.

rainynight65 ,

But not all electricity generation is based on boiling water. Wind, hydro and tidal don’t need to generate large amounts of heat to make steam that spins a turbine, they just use natural movement to do so.

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, make thing spin

wewbull ,

Peltier Effect?

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the principle used by RTGs right?

NegativeInf ,

Piezoelectricity is the only other I can really think of. But it’s not like we are out here smacking crystals with hammers to make power.

agressivelyPassive ,

Why not, though?

On a serious note: that’s exactly what we’re doing with lighters. At least some of them use piezo elements and not the sparkly wheel thingy to ignite the gas. And it’s real fun to zap yourself with it.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah, it was a fun journey of learning to look into it. It’s quartz btw. Very piezoelectric and extremely common.

oxideseven ,

The conversion rate isn’t great.

There were talks of using them in sidewalks, but it doesn’t really make much sense really. Piezo almost always only works as energy recovery, which isn’t nothing but you will need the infrastructure which also isn’t nothing.

bl_r ,

Give buskers the acoustic guitar with a link to the grid and every time they play they’ll generate a ton of electricity (in relative terms…)

Electro-Acoustic guitars use piezos to pick up the audio if you didn’t know

Glowstick ,

Even if we used piezo, the movement of the hammer would still have to come from some power source, which would still be the same sources like moving steam, water, or wind.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

piezoelectricity is just simple electric motor

NegativeInf ,

?

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

piezo crystal is electric motor. you input deformation of the crystal and get potential difference on opposite sides. other way around also works

NegativeInf ,

Oh! Gotcha! Makes sense. Forgot about crystal vibrations for clockworks. Thanks!

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

it’s a special case there, because for frequencies in question mechanical quartz resonator has much higher Q than any electrical resonator you can practically build. that is, mechanical properties of piezo crystal stabilize voltage oscillations

Jyek ,

Wait a minute, what IF

Faresh ,

I guess aeolic energy also doesn’t use steam (unless we count the air humidity), but still involves turning a turbine.

lens17 ,

Excuse my blatant ignorance, but what is aeolic energy? I’ve never heard about it before.

TheTetrapod ,

Apparently it’s the fancy word for wind power.

lens17 ,

What a dissapointment.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

or just french

wewbull ,

French words are the fancy words in English. French was the language of the upper classes for a long time.

oxideseven ,

Garlic power.

Nah, just a non-traditional way of saying wind generators like turbines.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Hydro power uses running water not hot water.

Squeezing can be converter to electricity with pizeo electric. Heat difference can be converted into electric directly with peltier devices. Both of these are very inefficient ways to make electricy.

Zorg ,
@Zorg@lemmings.world avatar

I’m the spirit of this comment, water is just cold steam.

NegativeInf ,

How do you feel about water ice being a mineral?

lledrtx ,

What about Wind Mills?

drolex ,

Wind is just dry steam

spechter ,

Seriously though

Also hydroelectric

someguy3 , (edited )

That’s just condensed steam.

agressivelyPassive ,

By that logic, solar is just a huge pile of steam undergoing fusion.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Plasma is spicy steam

lledrtx ,

You know that’s a stretch 😉 but I’ll give it to you. But we are not MAKING wind/steam there.

Resonosity ,

Aerokinetics/hydrokinetics as well. With steam, we’re creating the source fluid that turns the turbines to make electricity. Those source fluids can also exist as wind/tides/rivers naturally.

frezik ,

The peltier effect can be used to generate electricity from a thermal gradient. It’s not very efficient, though. There’s a reason mechanical means of electrical production predominate.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

there are also fuel cells

TheRealLinga , to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot

Donnieeeeeee

apprehentice , to funny in The invisible person in your home everyone hates

We call her The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives in Your Home

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Her book is pretty good.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices , to science_memes in Hooooooooooooooooooot

generate energy.

not generate electricity.

TheUniverseandNetworks ,

generate electricity.

not generate electricity.

generate electricity the other way around.

not generate electricity.

generate electricity.

not generate electricity.

generate electricity the other way around.

not generate electricity…

Edit: I dumbly misread your post (energy/electricity) & thought of this, which I will leave here because it made me smile & that’s a good thing.

ColonelPanic , to funny in The invisible person in your home everyone hates

Is that Jon from Auto Shenanigans?

Daxtron2 , to funny in The invisible person in your home everyone hates

How did you get these clips of my old roommates?

ObviouslyNotBanana , to lemmyshitpost in Oops
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Well that was disgusting. Hope he’s fine.

Etterra , to funny in The invisible person in your home everyone hates

That first one is just my fiancee. I’ve learned not to grab jars and pill bottles from the top.

0x4E4F OP ,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wouldn’t it just be easier for everyone for her to remember to close them?

Djtecha ,

You’ve clearly never been here before

Hobbes_Dent , to lemmyshitpost in Oops

I miss a cigarette with coffee.

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