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Soku , to aww in Today is the first birthday of Silas from the Wolf Conservation Center!

On the first photo Silas is probably standing in front of a blooming bush but I want to think he’s wearing a birthday wreath

random_character_a , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5
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…in spacetime with high curvature?

kuberoot ,

Doesn’t curvature cause pi to not be a constant? And wouldn’t it be negative curvature that would cause it to be higher than euclidean space?

Iron_Lynx , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

To be Devil’s Advocate:
Given that the rest written in Comic Sans, it may be an early elementary school exercise, aimed at teaching kids to do multiplications. In this case, it’s tolerable and/or defensible to find a simplification for pi.

That said, making pi equal to 3 would have been more accurate for that…

ColeSloth ,

That’s a dumb way of teaching and you are a dumb devils advocate for saying it. Go to H E double hockey sticks.

Papergeist ,

Even in engineering it is common to just round pi to 3 and quickly estimate whatever it is your doing.

maniclucky ,

Excuse me what? I’ve been an engineer for a decade and have never met anyone that would do that. We have calculators.

assassin_aragorn ,

I think they mean napkin math. Like you’re in a meeting and they ask for a general idea if something will work or not

Jimbo ,
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We all have phones with calculators, don’t really need to do napkin math anymore

assassin_aragorn ,

Depends on the level of precision you need. If I want the volume in a 500 foot long, 3 inch pipe to roughly estimate how much supply I need to order, I wouldn’t need a calculator. It would very roughly be 90-95 ft3. (Divide 500 by 4 two times and multiple by 3)

Then I would spend 5 minutes double checking myself haha.

maniclucky ,

I suppose. I’m still internally outraged and haven’t run into such a situation before, but I accept this.

assassin_aragorn ,

To be fair most of the situations where I’ve run into this have never involved pi, and sometimes it’s just qualitative.

maniclucky ,

That makes sense. I feel like if you’re at the point where pi is meaningfully involved, you should probably do your math.

assassin_aragorn ,

Yeah I agree. It isn’t that hard to set up things in Excel to get a decent answer.

Agent641 ,

“About yay big.”

ColeSloth ,

I feel like a proper engineer would call only going two places past the decimal “rounding pie”.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

In astronomy, pi=1 or 10, depending on whether you’re trying to over or under estimate something. Because when you’re trying to estimate distances measured in millions of light years, the difference between 3 and 10 is just one or two orders of magnitude on a small number. It’s pretty common for astronomers to do napkin math by rounding every single number to the nearest zero. 91k becomes 100k for instance. Because the napkin math estimations are just trying to gauge whether some celestial event or object is a thousand light years away, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, etc… And pi becomes 10, because that’s the nearest round number.

LazerFX ,

Fermi Estimation. Where you’re dealing with something so big, you’re just interested in the magnitude.

GladiusB ,
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I need a new maitre’d for a restaurant I am opening. How busy are you?

ColeSloth ,

Not very, but I’ll require lots of pay.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

How does 1 million a minute sound?

ColeSloth ,

Ill take it!

I’ll give you the hardest 30 minutes I’ve worked in my life, and then retire.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

So you do know how to act like a decent human. Damn. Well the restaurant closed. I guess you can just be nice for your own esteem now.

ColeSloth ,

Nope. I had sold my house to move and told the kids already. Now I’m jaded I just lost out on 30 mill and we’re homeless. I’ll be an ass forever, now.

GladiusB ,
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Well you were before. So the fam should be used to it.

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
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Duamerthrax ,

Unless the kid is even slightly above average and finds the idea that pi equaling 5 confusing.

NucleusAdumbens ,

…if they’re above average, I think they’ll figure out the explicitly defined variable. I think the instructor is trying to make sure this problem doesn’t require a calculator and figured defining pi as 5 makes it clear that you can treat it as a whole number. 3 would be more accurate and just as easy, but meh idk that this is that great of a blunder.

Duamerthrax ,

You can be a smart kid and not realize that adults are lying.

I remember the Peas and the Punnett Square. Sure, mendelian genetics explains pea plant colors, but doesn’t explain dog fur colors. Just providing a footnote that more completed genetics exists would have been nice.

bluewing ,

Or it’s from an ME. They seldom can remember the rounded value of Pi, but they’re pretty sure it’s somewhere between 3 and 4. But you probably should use 5 just to be safe…

some_guy , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

500? But I just woke up and I take sleeping pills so my brain might not be working.

fushuan ,

510**210 = 51010*10 = 5000

some_guy ,

Good thing I don’t need to do math at work. Saw a video the other day where someone said “10x400” and was shocked that they couldn’t instantly multiply by a power of ten. And then I walked into this.

wdsouth , to aww in Today is the first birthday of Silas from the Wolf Conservation Center!

If not for friend, then why friend shaped?

lowleveldata , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

That’s how you know math is OP when you can calculate volumes in parallel worlds where circles don’t even looks like circles

DumbAceDragon ,
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Ah, Manhattan. Where pi = 4, and circles are diamonds.

carpelbridgesyndrome ,

Bringing new meaning to the phrase “assume cows are spherical”

Excrubulent ,
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“Assume a spherical cow, which for our purposes can be approximated as a cube.”

notsure , to aww in Today is the first birthday of Silas from the Wolf Conservation Center!
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handsome boi!

tulliandar , to science_memes in Let π = 5
Maeve , to aww in Today is the first birthday of Silas from the Wolf Conservation Center!

What a happy, hopeful face! The expressiveness of his eyes, "treat for me?!”

ivanafterall ,
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He has such a puppyish face.

z00s , to aww in Today is the first birthday of Silas from the Wolf Conservation Center!

It’s Moon Moon 😊

Crowfiend , to mildlyinteresting in Managed to stop the pump at exactly $10 today

TIL people don’t regularly try for this. I always try to stop it at the dollar cause neurotic that way.

Rhynoplaz ,

Pssh, that’s a rookie game. I always try to stop on a palindrome.

vale ,

Admit it, you missed 10.00 and are convincing yourself that 10.01 is better.

Rhynoplaz ,

It started that way, but now it’s more like 54.45.

Aussiemandeus ,
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I got married on a palindrom 12/6/21

Better yet 1+2 is 3 and 3 two threes make 6.

FiniteBanjo , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

I would be a smartass and leave Pi as a factor throughout and in the answer. I’m used to doing that in Calculus anyways.

V = πr^2^h

V = π⋅10^2^⋅10

V = π⋅100⋅10

V = π1000


BONUS SOLUTION:

V =∫0^10^ A⋅h dh

A = ∫0^10^ 2πr dr

V= ∫0^10^ ∫0^10^ h⋅2πr dr dh

h is a constant for A’s integral so we can safely move it into V’s integral

V= ∫0^10^ h⋅∫0^10^ 2πr dr dh

π is a constant so we can safely remove it from A’s integral

A = π⋅∫0^10^ 2r dr

A = π⋅[r^2^]0^10^

A = π⋅( [10^2^] - [0^2^] )

A = π10^2^

A = π100

V = ∫0^10^ h⋅π100 dh

π100 is a constant so we can safely remove it from V’s integral

V = π100⋅∫0^10^ h dh

V = π100⋅[h]0^10^

V = π100⋅([10] - [0])

V = π100⋅10

V = π1000

It goes a lot deeper but I’m not bored enough for that, yet.

EDIT: Hang on. I’m wrong with that height integral. Can somebody help remind me?

benignintervention ,

If you really wanted to be through you’d start at a point, integrate out along dr for a line, then integrate in a circle through dtheta to derive the area before doing the rest

gimpchrist , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5
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Nobody knows how to think like a dyscalculic at all haha… it’s just a little symbol thingy… it doesn’t have to be pi. Just like X is a little symbol thingy… the x is now just kind of a table right now… it’s just a little symbol thingy and it means five it’s not that difficult. Lmao

Agrivar ,

Here’s a little LPT for you: you can be correct without being an obnoxious douchebag about it.

FanBlade ,

Your message reads kinda douchey.

petrol_sniff_king ,

Yeah, “symbol thingy” is setting me off rn.
The only thing that can help me is filing my taxes incorrectly.

nyctre , (edited )

Yes it does have to be pi because that’s the formula for the volume of a cylinder. If you take a simple, cylindrical glass or container and measure it and apply the formula with pi, you’ll see that you’ll get the correct volume of the container. If you just want your kids to calculate a random x that’s 5* 10 *10 *10 just tell them to do that, don’t give them a made up formula, it’s not that difficult.

gimpchrist ,
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  • nyctre ,

    Well, let me put it another way. You don’t need to have an opinion on everything. It’s okay to not understand something and not have an opinion on it.

    gimpchrist , (edited )
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    I’m dyscalculic… I’m allowed to have an opinion on it this is how my brain works.

    Also if we can’t say that pi is just a little symbol thingy then I guess we better stop using fucking exclamation marks everywhere

    petrol_sniff_king , (edited )

    Mathematically, no, it does not. We make up the definitions. If you wanted to see what the consequences of a, I don’t know, 5-dimensional universe with Pi set to 5.65 were, you can do that. These are scribbles on pages, there is literally nothing stopping you.

    Academically, what’s stopping you is whether these calculations are useful. The only problem I see here is that it’s kind of misleading to imply to someone that Pi is something it conventionally isn’t. But even then, I think I’d respect the mathematician who could recognize Pi as a symbolic name for, usually, one particular transcendental constant a little bit more than one who refused to even entertain the idea. Like, imagination is important to mathematics, too.

    And to be clear, “let Pi = 3.14” is also incorrect. It is closer than 5, but it is still infinitely wrong.

    [edit] And also, I was imagining this question was for a younger audience. Reading it again, I’m not going to pretend I know what’s going on up there.

    wreckedcarzz , to linuxmemes in It's so similarly pronounced to the SI prefix that it can also be 1000 Manjaros
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    Slayer

    Running riot!

    Lemvi , to lemmyshitpost in Let π = 5

    With π=5 maths break down completely. If π=5, then e^(5i) = -1, meaning -1 = cos(5) + i * sin(5), or -1 ≈ 0.284 - 0.959 i

    Hupf ,

    Intel®️ inside

    flambonkscious ,

    Wow, that takes me back - you’re referring to the floating point bug from …98?

    elvith ,

    665.999999657838 the floating point number of the beast

    FlyingSquid ,
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    It’s posts like these that makes me think we’re all old here on Lemmy and then I get a response from someone who tells me they’re 18…

    Gork OP ,
    lugal ,

    Maybe e is 5, too?

    MadBob ,

    I think you’re overthinking it. The first thing you’re told when you learn algebra is that a letter represents a number and you can say “let a equal (number), b equal (number)…” so you can let pi equal whatever you want for the purposes of one simple problem.

    gimpchrist ,
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    Or as I like to call pi…the little symbol thingy. But exactly yes, you get it.

    skulblaka ,
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    Except pi isn’t a variable. It is a known value that we refer to as pi for convenience, and pi is a fundamental aspect of how a circle is. Saying “let pi equal 5” is all fine and well but is physically impossible, you will not be determining the volume of a cylinder if you let pi equal 5, because the ratio of a circle does not equal 5, it equals 3.14

    gimpchrist ,
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    Okay but they didn’t say 3.14 they made a little symbol thingy

    MadBob ,

    But I suppose part of solving a maths problem is staying within the confines of the question and listening to instructions, so if someone says “using pi equals 5”, I’d just use pi equals five and take my point with grace.

    rooster_butt ,

    But the question is saying to find the volume of a cylinder. Which its clearly wrong.

    maynarkh ,

    Well, if we want to be pedantic, they never said that h is the height and r is the radius of the base circle. They could be just random numbers.

    Also, since we never calculate with all the digits of pi, it is not any less weird to round to the nearest 5 and say that it’s 5, than to the nearest 0.01 and saying it’s 3.14. It just has a higher amount of rounding error.

    GiveMemes ,

    Why are we upset by rounding to the nearest 5 for elementary schoolers when we round to 10 m/s/s for gravity in collegiate physics classes anyway?

    maynarkh ,

    It’s not even a bad thing to do for quick mental calculations, if you know that you will overshoot. Multiplying by 5 is easy.

    CaptSneeze ,

    You’re talking about variables. But, pi isn’t a variable, it is a constant number. This would be more akin to saying “let 7 = 9”.

    MadBob ,

    Well I suppose for example rounding to the nearest integer is a method of implying “let 1.8 = 2”, no? Not too outlandish, I don’t think.

    Eatspancakes84 ,

    I think it’s actually a very interesting question. Pi does not equal 5 in our universe, but perhaps we can think of a meaningful universe where it does? Perhaps some mathematicians/physicists can chime in?

    toddestan ,

    It would be theoretically possible in a universe based upon non-Euclidean geometry.

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