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ArbitraryValue , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

These high-minded treaties don’t actually mean anything - there’s no enforcement mechanism and countries with a much worse human-rights record than the USA have signed them without consequences. IMO it’s better not to sign them than it is to pretend that signing does any good and lend unearned legitimacy to those other countries.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Ah yes the oft-used American Exceptionalist attitude of “we’re too good to bind ourselves to treaties like this”.

Tale as old as time. It’s why the US isn’t a member of the ICJ and many other international treaties. King’s don’t follow rules - they make them!

originalucifer ,
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acab and the u.s. is the worlds police force for hire. it tracks.

ArbitraryValue ,

The US is a member of the International Court of Justice - every country in the United Nations is. Are you thinking of the International Criminal Court?

Other than that, my answer is “yes but that’s not a bad thing”.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Why is it a good thing?

ArbitraryValue ,
  1. The actions of an international court will inevitably be political.
  2. The countries that are the worst human rights violators will never voluntary accept the authority of the court.

In that context, why should the USA give other, potentially hostile countries power over itself? It might have been worthwhile if it meant everyone had to follow the rules but in practice it would just give countries opposed to US foreign policy a tool for interfering without giving the US anything useful.

(My general view is that the US has made many very harmful mistakes but the era of American hegemony has still been one of remarkable global peace and prosperity. Like democracy, it’s the worst system except for everything else that has been tried. Now we’re seeing serious challenges to this hegemony and if they succeed, the world will get worse for almost everyone, not just for Americans. So if you think the US does more harm than good, we’re unlikely to come to an agreement.)

Edit: accidentally deleted, reposting.

kugel7c , (edited )

The problem is that we need to for many reasons transition to an international order of democratic cooperation instead of economic and military domination. And if the US can never accept this kind of shared and cooperative approach foreign policy of everyone is going to be forever dragged towards this kind of zero sum bullshit we have at the moment. Even though it’s obvious that foreign policy doesn’t have to be zero sum.

Even if other countries are potentially less honest with their implementation of global treaties, even a relatively slow movement there and maybe a more thorough movement in the US makes everyone better off.

The only way to actually foster a cooperative relationship is to make yourself vulnerable, otherwise it’s just coercion and power not cooperation. And yes if you get hurt too much maybe you’ll have to leave again, but this pessimistic outlook from the get go is certainly never going to lead to the changes we obviously need.

How do we solve things that require global attentio and accountability, like climate change, with an increasingly hostile and isolationist country calling the shots on decisions about global economic matters.

Simply put if I want to live in a world somewhat resembling the current one in 60 years, American collapse or integration into global democracy is a necessity.

Also calling a country that has been at war for 80+% of it’s history a protector of global peace seems a bit questionable. Similarly I don’t think anyone can conclusively say that the US has done more or less harm than good. But by that same nebulous metric shouldn’t China hold that same title, as well as the Soviets, the British empire, the Spanish empire,the Romans ?

I would expect almost everyone to feel more ambiguously about the later list than the US, but both the US and empires of the past are exactly what they’ve always been, a tool for those inside, especially the ones in power to increase their quality of life, while everyone outside gets to be exploited, integrated, subjected to rules that do harm, and be attacked, regime changed and so on. It’s not actually the US that is a problem it’s the US being a modern empire that’s the problem.

That the US tries to be a liberal democracy doesn’t really lessen it’s status as an empire, especially if the powers at be largely prevent it’s people to decide against the status quo of domination.

Almost by necessity the most powerful are the most harmful if there are no systems to prevent their harm, diffuse their power etc.

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
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This perception arises from the fact that people think signing and ratifying are the same thing. They are not.

A treaty needs to be ratified to be legally binding, and ratification takes 2/3rd of the senate to OK it.

The executive branch signs international shit all the time, but they can’t get it through Congress. Which is why recent treaties lack teeth.

homura1650 ,

The treaty itself does not have any enforcement mechanism; however the US does. US courts recognize ratified treaties as having equal weight to laws passed the normal way Ratifying the Treaty would immediately make it federal law. The US has a robust enough legal system that the courts would the (over years of building up case law) determine exactly what that means.

Ghostalmedia ,
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This.

A treaty is a three step process. Draft, sign, ratify. This made it to step two, not step three for the US.

Zoboomafoo , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives. For example, The Heritage Foundation considers that “a civil society in which moral authority is exercised by religious congregations, family, and other private associations is fundamental to the American order”

No surprise there

Moobythegoldensock , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

It has been claimed that American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.

Shocking.

dan42O , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

Whatda phuk

lntl , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

freedom ferda!

USA! USA! USA!

guyrocket , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child
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So might it be actionable that Israel is violating this? Not that I actually expect anything will really happen if this is pursued.

Mereo , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.
FlyingSquid OP ,
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Hey, I’m with you. I think it’s awful and that the people who enjoy it should be taken out back and shot.

But I just don’t have the energy to take my wife out back and shoot her.

nokturne213 ,

Imagine getting so worked up over what makes someone else happy.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do you think I really plan to shoot my wife for liking pineapple on her pizza?

Coreidan ,

I find it hilarious how offended people get over Hawaiian pizza.

Eat what you enjoy. Anyone who has a problem with what food I enjoy can eat me.

petrol_sniff_king ,

I thought it was funny. :p

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you.

Sagifurius , (edited ) to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

The Germans seem to think they invented it. Order it in Sweden, and it’ll come with bananas.

Guntrigger ,

Don’t forget the curry. The bananas always must come with curry, but the cardamom goes in the pastries.

Retrograde ,
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nausea intensifies

sachamato , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

I go to Italy often just to eat real Italian food. I understand that for Italians, the hawainana pizza is an aberration, like many other things if not cooked as they traditionally do. And I respect it, because it’s a key part of their culture. Still, I have a right to eat and like whatever I want, so I also expect respect on that sense. Some people will do this and some others won’t. I think it’s a personal choice to decide respecting others opinions.

supercriticalcheese ,

They don’t have to serve you what you want if it’s not on the menu, they can try to accommodate if they really want but that’s about it.

But if you don’t have the ingredients they cannot really do that can they.

Sagifurius ,

I get that shit ALL the time. I have 34 wing flavours, a number of them address the sweet n savoury/sour thing I personally detest. I don’t carry the disgusting bulk sweet n sour sugar sauce common to this region and continually get people staring at the 34 flavours and and ask “do you have honey mustard or sweet n sour”? No. I don’t. That’s not what I’m doing here, if I had that, it would be listed. Literally every other place has that, I’m fucking trying to impart some taste to the region no matter how miniscule.

Guntrigger ,

I enjoy that this rant started out like we should all know that you have a wing restaurant.

Tristaniopsis ,

Traditional schmaditional. They never had tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, corn or a bunch of other things until Meso-America was ransacked.

masterspace ,

Discovering that tomatoes were new world fruit really torpedoed any chance of me respecting Italian traditions

Tristaniopsis ,

Well… a tradition’s gotta start sometime.

Look at that fucking Elf on the Fucking Shelf shit. It’s marketing tag on the box is (or was) “a tradition”.

Yeah. A tradition for ONE fucked up family who then cashed in HARD and forced their sick gaslighting on the gullible public. /rant

Pooptimist ,

They make pizza dulce with Nutella, so I can get my pizza with pineapple

satan_6661 , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

I’m glad everything about this man is written in the past tense. One of the worst creations ever.

nitefox ,

Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing

Guntrigger ,

One of the worst creations ever.

Are you talking about the sadly deceased genius, or the globally popular creation of his?

southsamurai , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.
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It’s kinda crazy that it took the combined culinary efforts of at least 4 nations to create something genius that would piss off all of those nations.

Also, pineapple on pizza is fucking delicious, and I will fight over that personal opinion being as valid as it sucking :)

CannedTuna ,

Pepperoni, bacon, pineapple, and jalapeño. The ultimate combination of sweet, spicy, salty, and savory.

grabyourmotherskeys ,

You have been awarded the key to the city of Halifax.

Alteon ,

Drizzle a little mango sauce on top, and I’m sold.

ILikeBoobies ,

Mango makes way more sense than pineapple for adding sweetness

pdxfed ,

In the states they never add Jalapenos because of all the WASPS who say things like “this food has too much flavor” so I thought I hated Hawaiian pizza, def will try with Jalapeno.

EvilHankVenture ,

I have lived in several states and I feel like jalapenos are a very common pizza topping in all of them. I have mostly lived in areas with large Hispanic populations though.

jopepa ,

You can get jalapeños in Maine it doesn’t get more WASPy than there.

southsamurai ,
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Word, though I have to go very light on the peppers nowadays lol

Snowpix ,
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Replace the bacon with ham slices and you’ve got my favourite pizza

scottywh ,

This minus the pepperoni is my favorite pizza

NIB ,

In Greece, eating feta cheese with watermelon(or melon) is somewhat common. You combine the sweetness of the watermelon with the saltiness of feta. And both things are cold.

Bumblebb ,

That's common in California, too. Watermelon, feta and a little bit of lime juice is a frequent summer salad.

dylanmorgan ,

In Italy, prosciutto with melon is pretty common. Sweet and savory as a combination is pretty common. See also: sharp cheddar on apple pie.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Sharp cheddar cuts up my mouth something fierce.

grabyourmotherskeys ,

Yup, people who object to Hawaiian Pizza for any reason other than “it’s not for me” don’t really understand food.

cheesymoonshadow ,
@cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world avatar

Similar to a fruit bowl with cottage cheese.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yup, and it’s yummy as hell.

Here in the south, and maybe elsewhere, we sometimes add a nice hunk of extra sharp cheddar on top of our apple pie for the same reason. Heck, any number of fruit plates will be served with cheeses, and vice versa.

Once you get into the sweet, salt, fat, acid combo, it really doesn’t matter what you use to get them.

To quote a great American show, “pork chops and applesauce”. “Hawaiian” pizza is just a different version of the same basic idea

Bumblebb ,

Whats even crazier is the ethnobotanical path to GET those ingredients together.

Tomatoes had to be brought from south america. Bred to grow at lower altitudes. Peasants had to be persuaded to eat them (they were formally animal feed because they were from the nightshade family and peasants didn't trust the fruit not to be poisonous since the leaves are) and then enough time (100 years) had to pass for them to develop cuisine around them.

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

Agreed. It’s amazing. I always spring for pineapple on pizza

Dabundis ,

Pizza is a very fatty, often greasy food, and acidic taste balances out greasiness in the mouth

ILikeBoobies ,

Good thing tomatoes are acidic then

masterspace ,

Not American tomatoes, at least, not in tomato sauce form; they put a tight sugary lid on that.

platypus_plumba ,

It really depends on the quality of the pineapple to me. Sometimes it is dry and it sucks. Sometimes it is kinda melted, which gives a sweet to the pizza without making the texture weird.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Pineapple, Canadian bacon, pepperoni, red onion, and balsamic drizzle. My recent stroke of genius from the local unlimited topping pizza place.

PopMyCop ,

Try red bell pepper with balsamic. I love the combination.

Potatos_are_not_friends , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

In Japan, there’s Vermont curry, which has a maple-syrup-y taste.

Vermont doesn’t have a state curry.

rustydomino ,
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Yup. You can get it in the USA at Asian grocery stores, and even in some American stores located in areas with large Asian populations. And it’s fucking delicious.

JDubbleu ,

I’m more of a fan of the Japanese Golden curry, but that Vermont curry was way better than I expected.

Orbituary ,
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Omg, yuck. I love curry, but this is insanity.

aubertlone ,

Just fyi, it tastes nothing like maple syrup.

I felt the same way when I heard about it. Made it one night, turns out it is just a very slightly sweeter curry than the normal katsu curry base.

Assman ,
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Came here to say this. I asked myself, “what could be Vermont about curry?” The answer is pretty much nothing. It’s real good tho

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

I’m with you. I grew up eating spicy curry so anything different from that is a weird

Can_you_change_your_username , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

And then the Hawaiians replaced the ham with spam.

Neato ,
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Honesty that’d probably be better. Ham is so bland on pizza; it can’t compete with the sauce. I always do pineapple and pepperoni. The spice from the pepperoni cuts through the sweetness really nicely.

xploit ,

That’s why you need some nice smoked ham or honey roast or similar…agree though, most places just use most bland crap they can find cheap

owenfromcanada ,
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Nah, swap the ham for some bacon. It can stand up to the sauce and the pineapple. And still technically ham.

scottywh ,

Bacon, pineapple, and jalapeno is what’s up

ArcaneSlime ,

Add some jalaps to that and you have my favorite pizza.

mateomaui ,

I admit that I haven’t tried the hawaiian pizza at every joint around here, but the ones I have tried or noticed still use ham.

neo2478 , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.

Whats a Canadian from Greece? Was the guy Greek living in Canada? Doesn’t that just make him Greek? Or was it a person born in Canada with Greek ancestry? That would not make him from Greece.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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He was born in Greece and became a Canadian citizen. That made him a Canadian from Greece.

neo2478 ,

Now, were I a smarter man, I would have realized that. Thanks for the correction.

GladiusB ,
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I dunno everything is Greek to me…

spittingimage , to til in TIL a Canadian from Greece took an American version of an Italian dish and added tropical fruit to it and called it a Hawaiian pizza.
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Just think, if you open your mind and let other cultures be your inspiration, you too could invent something as reviled and divisive as Hawaiian pizza.

Nobody ,

Multiculturalism was a mistake.

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