I’m not for the death penalty. She should be in prison for the rest of her life without a chance of getting out. Can’t say I don’t understand why they’re opting for the death penalty though. 44 billion is a fuckload of money. Like more than the gdp of 84 countries.
It’s been widely reported that the death sentence may be a plot to get her to return the money. If she does this she may have her sentence commuted on appeal.
I really don’t know. I think for certain types of crimes, I’m ok with it. Like rapists of young children. They have zero contribution to society and are unable to be repaired. I don’t know if this crime fits that threshold. 47 billion is ridiculous.
Consider what your thresholds are for what constitutes witnesses and admissions of guilt. For example, confessing to crimes that weren’t actually performed by them, do you honor the claim anyway?
And does a group of police witnessing a suspect or conversely a group of the suspect’s friends witnessing a police officer do something heinous count?
I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise but I just want you to recognize that your position is that you’re ok with “bad” people being killed as a form of punishment and mine is that ensuring that label is always appropriately applied is an impossibility.
I don’t like the thought of terrible people getting to continue to live if they’ve done irreparable harm to others, but I’m also not ok with saying that we totally need to burn THAT WITCH because Goody Constance totally witnessed them communing with the devil.
Osama/Hitler getting killed in military action - fine. An abused child/person killing their attacker - look the other way. Giving Edward Snowden lethal injection because he totally deserves it for endangering Americans - not acceptable.
Yea. It’s more like if this person can’t be studied or has no use here except to haunt the living, sure. Get rid of them. Some of them want that. Some psychos know how bad they are to society.
But then you have a lot to weigh in on. You said it shouldn’t exist at all. Which for the most part I do agree with. But there are some that I am ok with going away.
Hitler was not killed in action. He killed himself. People like Dr. Death or the rest of his inner cronies can be executed as well.
Redistribute their wealth, then set their parole parameters: hold an average job in food service or retail; live in an average apartment off those wages; keep that up for a set number of years, without external assistance from any third parties.
Some are more guilty than others, and she’s definitely near the top of the list.
Still, curious to see what a Socialist country like Vietnam does when its prosecutors catch a person like Truong My Lan red handed. Its such a far cry from what American prosecutors did with offending bank managers after the 2008 Financial Collapse or the UK prosecutors who investigated the Wirecard scandal or the SEC/FCC responded to countless instances in which Elon Musk got caught manipulating stock prices.
Goes to show you what happens when your country has a tyrannical government and its billionaires don’t enjoy any freedoms.
I bet that’s part of why she’s in this situation, rich people lost money. Lots of corrupt government officials also want the spotlight to stay on her. I mean of course in addition to the fact that she did ruin many people’s lives…
“I sentence to you ten years, with 9 years 360 days credit for time served, and a $25 fine. Your incarceration shall consist of checking in once weekly via Zoom.”
In some cases, yes. We should do the same here in the USA once the value of a person’s theft exceeds a limit based on the value of a human life. There is a number for that based on earning potential and some other factors. Give it a multiplier (maybe ten times the value of a life but that’s for bean counters to figure out) and also consider mitigating factors like we do in homicide cases. Somebody who steals enough to wipe out many lifetimes of hard, honest work may not be directly killing anyone but theft at that scale has destructive and deadly consequences.
Normally I’d say that if you empower the state to execute a certain class of person you can look forward to the state changing that definition so that inconvenient people who did nothing wrong meet it, but I’m unlikely to be mistaken for someone who has committed 10s of billions of dollars in fraud and I can’t help but feel like maybe if just one robber baron is held responsible for the enormous suffering they cause in pursuit of an amount of wealth so vast that it can never be spent and essentially only functions as a high score then the rest will realize that there is the sharp, distinct possibility that they can be held responsible as well.
She can appeal still, and they are doing it as an incentive for her to return 27b. I imagine she will attempt to return a large portion, appeal and then just be given life in prison.
Usually in the US more by making it illegal to sign government contracts with any boycotters of Israel, or by preventing public funds from investing into any entities perceived as boycotting Israel. These things could be devastating to any businesses or non profits that work with the government, or any publicly traded companies (due to decreased investment). Technically boycotting Israel in general can’t be made illegal in the US, as that would be a free speech violation.
Okay. I keep seeing things that clearly point to something. But whenever anyone brings it up they are mentioned as a crazy racist conspiracy theorist. But sometimes conspiracy theories are true.
I’m not American. Is America (the goverment/ media/ Hollywood whatever) over represented by Jews that favour their own interest and the interest if Israel?
Is so what evidence is there and why does no one care?
Just to be clear I don’t think this is a some illuminati style super government. More like how in the past America was super racist and a lot of people would give a white person beneficial treatment over blacks. Like that but more hidden.
Israel is really against free speech. This law might in the future be used to make BDS a hate crime or some equally perverse analogy like that. Israel will gladly throw away other people’s rights for their own benefit (not least their neighbors’ rights), and they are completely throwing Jews in general under the bus, as it has been from the beginning:
Herzl described [Jewish] opponents of the Zionism he was proposing as “Jewish vermin”
In fact, the more anti-semitism rises in the world, the more Jews will believe they should move to Israel, thus serving the Zionist agenda. Israel might throw America under the bus too, just to get their way.
The current struggle is not Israel vs. Palestine or Israel vs. Hamas but Israel vs. human rights and freedom, and we do have to pick a side.
I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
But to expound on that, some US states make people sign a pledge to not participate in BDS if they have a job or even just contract with the state.
It’s incredibly fucked up and few people talk about it.
Inside every major contract Missouri signs with a business sits a clause about boycotting Israel.
All but the smallest companies have to agree not to participate in any movement that aims to boycott, divest from or sanction companies in Israel.
Missouri isn’t alone. At least 36 other states have anti-BDS (boycott, divest or sanction) measures that bar state contractors from refusing to do business in Israel, or otherwise boycotting or divesting from the country or its occupied territories.
I know and I always thought that is bullshit, but making it (for all intends and purposes) illegal to boycot companies from another country is next level. That’s giving away freedoms of your own citizens purely to the advantage of another country. That is insane.
Isn’t it? And it has been going on since long before you and me heard about it. The best we can do for justice is to just spread truths like this, because the only reason injustices like that find so much success is that they are hidden and done in secret.
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