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Luvs2Spuj , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Now do the other billionaires.

More seriously though, this is fucked up.

Leviathan ,

Fucked up is the amount of suffering inflicted on others is required to amass billions of dollars. I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir, though.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

I’m not for the death penalty. She should be in prison for the rest of her life without a chance of getting out. Can’t say I don’t understand why they’re opting for the death penalty though. 44 billion is a fuckload of money. Like more than the gdp of 84 countries.

MutilationWave ,

It’s been widely reported that the death sentence may be a plot to get her to return the money. If she does this she may have her sentence commuted on appeal.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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MNByChoice , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

“Show trial” usually means “nit a real trial and the person may be innocent”. The tone of the article is that she did the crime.

I am confused.

androogee , (edited )
MNByChoice ,

Thank you.
So Vietnam’s courts must not normally be open to the public?

SeabassDan ,

So it’s basically for show, or to show the proceedings to the public. A “show trial”, if you will.

theotherverion , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Death penalty should not exist.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I really don’t know. I think for certain types of crimes, I’m ok with it. Like rapists of young children. They have zero contribution to society and are unable to be repaired. I don’t know if this crime fits that threshold. 47 billion is ridiculous.

DABDA ,

The possibility/certainty of intentional or accidental false convictions doesn’t affect your acceptance of the state meting out permanent punishment?

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s marginal of course. I’m talking about the real psychopaths that either admit it or are caught on camera with witnesses.

DABDA ,

Consider what your thresholds are for what constitutes witnesses and admissions of guilt. For example, confessing to crimes that weren’t actually performed by them, do you honor the claim anyway?

And does a group of police witnessing a suspect or conversely a group of the suspect’s friends witnessing a police officer do something heinous count?

Remember any mistakes cannot be remedied.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I am. There are some truly sick people out there. I’m talking about some one off that is in a bad situation without any evidence.

But people like Dahmer, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, I’m ok with those going away as a message to society. I don’t think it’s unnecessarily a bad thing.

DABDA ,

I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise but I just want you to recognize that your position is that you’re ok with “bad” people being killed as a form of punishment and mine is that ensuring that label is always appropriately applied is an impossibility.

I don’t like the thought of terrible people getting to continue to live if they’ve done irreparable harm to others, but I’m also not ok with saying that we totally need to burn THAT WITCH because Goody Constance totally witnessed them communing with the devil.

Osama/Hitler getting killed in military action - fine. An abused child/person killing their attacker - look the other way. Giving Edward Snowden lethal injection because he totally deserves it for endangering Americans - not acceptable.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Yea. It’s more like if this person can’t be studied or has no use here except to haunt the living, sure. Get rid of them. Some of them want that. Some psychos know how bad they are to society.

But then you have a lot to weigh in on. You said it shouldn’t exist at all. Which for the most part I do agree with. But there are some that I am ok with going away.

Hitler was not killed in action. He killed himself. People like Dr. Death or the rest of his inner cronies can be executed as well.

Cosmicomical ,

Billionaires wear their verdict on their sleeve

sepulcher , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Don’t kill them. Redistribute their wealth.

Steak ,
Zipitydew ,

Bingo. Both is good. Not all life is precious.

reverendsteveii ,

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naughtyguy17 ,

Redistribute their wealth, then set their parole parameters: hold an average job in food service or retail; live in an average apartment off those wages; keep that up for a set number of years, without external assistance from any third parties.

Let them experience how the rest of us live.

halcyoncmdr ,
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Anything made in excess of that in any way is seized and applied towards repaying the fraudulent debt.

Cosmicomical ,

Plus constant checks to verify their life style is conforming to that, and seize one fifth of their salary until the debt is paid off

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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In this particular case, she’s hidden money overseas and the death penalty is being used to compel her to recover and return it.

wabafee , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

Yes

echodot ,

It kind of feels a bit weird being done officially.

boblemmy , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

She was going to be silenced, because if she lived, more people would be exposed

BigMacHole , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

I Propose we make any Fraud worldwide over a Billion Dollars punishable by Death to!

John_McMurray , (edited )

Man, if you think this is actually about fraud and she had dump trucks of cash in her basement…

Linkerbaan , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud
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Anyone worth more than a billion dollars is guilty.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Some are more guilty than others, and she’s definitely near the top of the list.

Still, curious to see what a Socialist country like Vietnam does when its prosecutors catch a person like Truong My Lan red handed. Its such a far cry from what American prosecutors did with offending bank managers after the 2008 Financial Collapse or the UK prosecutors who investigated the Wirecard scandal or the SEC/FCC responded to countless instances in which Elon Musk got caught manipulating stock prices.

Goes to show you what happens when your country has a tyrannical government and its billionaires don’t enjoy any freedoms.

WhatsThePoint , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

In America they would likely do time in a country club prison if they didn’t only get fined for less than they profited in the fraud.

psycho_driver ,

The only time they would get punished at all in the US is if they fucked over other billionaires. Even then, only maybe.

Mouselemming ,

I bet that’s part of why she’s in this situation, rich people lost money. Lots of corrupt government officials also want the spotlight to stay on her. I mean of course in addition to the fact that she did ruin many people’s lives…

jkrtn ,

Depends on who they defrauded. Millions of poors? That’s just a mild case of affluenza, set her loose with a big tax cut and an interest-free loan.

reverendsteveii ,

“I sentence to you ten years, with 9 years 360 days credit for time served, and a $25 fine. Your incarceration shall consist of checking in once weekly via Zoom.”

Rivalarrival ,

…“which we just did. You are now free to go.”

betterdeadthanreddit , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

You know we’re living in strange times when the commies are doing something good.

ABCDE ,

Like resisting imperial forces in their country? Helping in WW2?

RamblingPanda ,

That’s been too long, people can’t even remember what their own government promised during their election campaign.

kwomp2 ,

And “helping” is still a major understatement

cordlesslamp ,

Vietnam were helping in WW2? I thought they were occupied by foreign forces (I think it’s Japan) during the time?

ABCDE ,

Another communist state.

betterdeadthanreddit ,

Talking about the Russians who fought side-by-side with their Nazi pals up until Hitler decided he wanted their country too?

NaibofTabr ,
GBU_28 ,

Yikes

sepulcher ,

Executing people who screw over investors?

betterdeadthanreddit ,

In some cases, yes. We should do the same here in the USA once the value of a person’s theft exceeds a limit based on the value of a human life. There is a number for that based on earning potential and some other factors. Give it a multiplier (maybe ten times the value of a life but that’s for bean counters to figure out) and also consider mitigating factors like we do in homicide cases. Somebody who steals enough to wipe out many lifetimes of hard, honest work may not be directly killing anyone but theft at that scale has destructive and deadly consequences.

wahming ,

I’m not sure they ascribe to any communist practices outside of their party name…

betterdeadthanreddit ,

No true Communist-man, got it.

wahming ,

If it helps, I’m not one either. But I’ve spent time in Vietnam and I’m not sure which aspect of their society would be described as communism

Beaver , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud
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This is a very rare situation that almost never happens.

reverendsteveii , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Normally I’d say that if you empower the state to execute a certain class of person you can look forward to the state changing that definition so that inconvenient people who did nothing wrong meet it, but I’m unlikely to be mistaken for someone who has committed 10s of billions of dollars in fraud and I can’t help but feel like maybe if just one robber baron is held responsible for the enormous suffering they cause in pursuit of an amount of wealth so vast that it can never be spent and essentially only functions as a high score then the rest will realize that there is the sharp, distinct possibility that they can be held responsible as well.

Kalothar , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

She can appeal still, and they are doing it as an incentive for her to return 27b. I imagine she will attempt to return a large portion, appeal and then just be given life in prison.

givesomefucks , to world in McDonald's to buy back Israeli restaurants after boycotts - BBC News

There’s a reason Israel spends so much lobbying money to make boycotting their companies illegal…

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Where is boycotting “illegal?”

Ranvier , (edited )

A lot of places, to varying degrees:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

Usually in the US more by making it illegal to sign government contracts with any boycotters of Israel, or by preventing public funds from investing into any entities perceived as boycotting Israel. These things could be devastating to any businesses or non profits that work with the government, or any publicly traded companies (due to decreased investment). Technically boycotting Israel in general can’t be made illegal in the US, as that would be a free speech violation.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting. TIL.

febra ,

So basically in all the countries that are in love with settler colonialism, condemning and boycotting settler colonialism is illegal.

Wanderer ,

Okay. I keep seeing things that clearly point to something. But whenever anyone brings it up they are mentioned as a crazy racist conspiracy theorist. But sometimes conspiracy theories are true.

I’m not American. Is America (the goverment/ media/ Hollywood whatever) over represented by Jews that favour their own interest and the interest if Israel?

Is so what evidence is there and why does no one care?

Just to be clear I don’t think this is a some illuminati style super government. More like how in the past America was super racist and a lot of people would give a white person beneficial treatment over blacks. Like that but more hidden.

bartolomeo ,
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Look up AIPAC to start. They can effectively write the rules in the U.S., like this one

www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/…/text

Opensecrets.org is a good website to follow political financing too. Check how much Biden got this election cycle.

bartolomeo ,
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Israel is really against free speech. This law might in the future be used to make BDS a hate crime or some equally perverse analogy like that. Israel will gladly throw away other people’s rights for their own benefit (not least their neighbors’ rights), and they are completely throwing Jews in general under the bus, as it has been from the beginning:

Herzl described [Jewish] opponents of the Zionism he was proposing as “Jewish vermin”

In fact, the more anti-semitism rises in the world, the more Jews will believe they should move to Israel, thus serving the Zionist agenda. Israel might throw America under the bus too, just to get their way.

The current struggle is not Israel vs. Palestine or Israel vs. Hamas but Israel vs. human rights and freedom, and we do have to pick a side.

I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

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ModernRisk ,
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Not the one you asked but I believe in Germany. Not sure though.

At least they certainly condemn and are* against the boycot movement:

  1. Germany rules BDS movement ‘anti-Semitic

Edit: changed “we” to “are”

givesomefucks ,

Someone already linked the Wikipedia article.

But to expound on that, some US states make people sign a pledge to not participate in BDS if they have a job or even just contract with the state.

It’s incredibly fucked up and few people talk about it.

Inside every major contract Missouri signs with a business sits a clause about boycotting Israel.

All but the smallest companies have to agree not to participate in any movement that aims to boycott, divest from or sanction companies in Israel.

Missouri isn’t alone. At least 36 other states have anti-BDS (boycott, divest or sanction) measures that bar state contractors from refusing to do business in Israel, or otherwise boycotting or divesting from the country or its occupied territories.

kcbeacon.org/…/missouri-anti-bds-israel-contracts…

Mr_Blott ,

That would be another FREEDOM ©®™ then?

dlatch , (edited )

That is some dystopian shit, what the fuck.

TrueStoryBob ,

The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee is one of the largest political lobbies in the United States.

dlatch ,

I know and I always thought that is bullshit, but making it (for all intends and purposes) illegal to boycot companies from another country is next level. That’s giving away freedoms of your own citizens purely to the advantage of another country. That is insane.

bartolomeo ,
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Isn’t it? And it has been going on since long before you and me heard about it. The best we can do for justice is to just spread truths like this, because the only reason injustices like that find so much success is that they are hidden and done in secret.

peg ,

There’s a bill passing through the British parliament right now.

Linkerbaan , to world in McDonald's to buy back Israeli restaurants after boycotts - BBC News
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Proud of everyone boycotting these companies.

Ironic that boycotting israel is really good for your health and all their companies mostly make junkfood like Coca Cola, Pepsi and Starbucks.

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