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Sigma_ , to technology in Intel's deepfake detector tested on real and fake videos

Detecting real video as fake seems problematic where it might lead to apathy – folks just don’t believe any video anymore. Similar to Trump’s “everything is fake news” approach

dojan ,
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Thus far these detectors kind of suck, both for deepfakes and AI generated text. They’re biased against non-native speakers and using them in a scholarly setting can result in punishing students that aren’t cheating.

The genie was let out of the bottle much too early.

Starbuck , (edited )

I used to work in the field of image forensics a few years ago, right as the GAN technology was entering the scene. Even when it was just making 200x200 pixel faces, everyone in the industry was starting to panic. Everything we had at the time was based off of detecting inconsistencies in the pixel content, repeating structures that indicated copy/paste attacks, or looking for metadata inconsistencies

For pixel inconsistencies, you can look at how the jpeg image is encoded to look for blocks that aren’t encoded consistently. This paper coversDCT and some others. scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dct+image+forensics&…That’s just one example, but it’s ultimately looking for things like someone photoshopping a region out or patching something in.

Similarly, copy-move detection would look for “edges” and “intersections” in images and creating constellations of points, which you can use scale invariant transforms to look for duplicates. This article covers an example where North Korea tried to make their landing force look more impressive theguardian.com/…/north-korea-photoshop-hovercraf…

The problem is that when the entire image is forged, there is no baseline to detect against. The whole thing is uniformly fake. So we’re back to the old “I can tell by looking at it” which is extremely imprecise and labor intensive. In fact, if you look at how GANs work, it’s trivial to embed any detector algorithm into the training process and make something that also defeats that detector.

Oshka ,
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As someone not in the industry this is fascinating!

Starbuck ,

To get an idea of how they work, this is a great tool for laymen 29a.ch/photo-forensics/

Try uploading something from thispersondoesnotexist.com and see how badly it fails.

reddig33 , to technology in Intel's deepfake detector tested on real and fake videos

You look down and see a tortoise. It’s crawling toward you…

FartsWithAnAccent , to news in Greece fires: Thousands flee homes and hotels on Rhodes as fires spread
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I’ve heard Greece fires can be difficult to extinguish.

Akulagr , to news in Greece fires: Thousands flee homes and hotels on Rhodes as fires spread

Wildfires are getting bigger and more intense. Emergency services will always be a step behind at this rate.

zikk_transport2 , to news in Greece fires: Thousands flee homes and hotels on Rhodes as fires spread

Oh no. This is very sad to hear. One of my top favorite places to visit for holiday season. ☹️

Armadous , to world in BBC News - Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory - scientists

“Tumble” seems like a weird way to describe it. I’m thinking “climate records smashed”.

can ,

“climate records melted”

“climate records engulfed in flames”

alvvayson , to world in BBC News - Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory - scientists

Honestly surprised that everyone is surprised.

We knew back in 1988 that this would eventually happen. And it will get worse. Species are going extinct at a much faster pace than any of the earlier great extinction events.

Maybe we should finally lift the taboo on atomic power and start solving this problem.

nestEggParrot , to worldnews in Outrage after women paraded naked in Indian state

This intervew came out now of a similar* assault: youtu.be/zSgi3uxomn4

*this is not the woman from this article AFAIK.

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rustyfish , to worldnews in Outrage after women paraded naked in Indian state
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The sexual assault of a Kuki mother and daughter duo, who were stripped naked and paraded while being groped and molested by a mob of men in Manipur, is the latest example of that.

The video footage showing the women weeping, wincing in pain and begging their attackers to show some mercy is disturbing to watch.

The fact that the first arrest has been made only after the outrage in the case that happened 78 days ago and was reported to the police more than two months back doesn’t inspire much confidence in the administration - more so since many of the men are clearly identifiable in the footage.

[…]

“The gang rape of the women happened after the village was burnt down and two men - one middle-aged and another a teenager - were beaten to death by the mob,” the ITLF said.

Police said that the incident took place on 4 May and that a case of abduction and gang rape and murder had been registered in Thoubal district.

What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?!

theherk ,

Seriously. What the fuck!

zahel ,

straight up animal behavior

nestEggParrot ,

Initial reporting also mentioned that the mob killed the father and brother of the younger woman (didnt state in it that the older woman was the mother).

This video is after the mob abducted them from police custody as they were trying to flee.

rustyfish ,
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So, Indian Police is beyond useless. This is how you start revolts and no one will root for the state.

nestEggParrot ,

There was an allegation that the police handed over the women to the mob.

So possibly more than just useless, in this case.

stopthatgirl7 , to worldnews in Outrage after women paraded naked in Indian state
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They really buried the damn lede here - those two women weren’t just publicly humiliated, they were gang raped. Ffs.

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  • stopthatgirl7 ,
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    That headline makes it seem like something that was just horribly humiliating, not like the damn horror show it was.

    nestEggParrot ,

    Even the Indian media are being causiols on the reporting. Both the killings and the rape are reported as “alleged” either because of lack of evidence or they want to control the spread of the news further.

    It is odd that they can’t verify both allegations by the victim after nearly two months.

    fugepe , (edited ) to worldnews in Outrage after women paraded naked in Indian state

    Such a fascinating culture. We need more Indians immigrants in the western world

    Crackhappy , to worldnews in Evergrande: Crisis-hit Chinese property giant reveals $81bn loss
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    That actually sounds far less than I expected.

    MustrumR ,

    Probably far less than it is. Number sheets coming from any non easily verifiable, complicated reporting made in China are an estimate in the favor of the reporter. Cheating one another and especially the system is a national sport.

    gary_host_laptop ,
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    Dios no hay nada mas insufrible k estos yankis con el cerebro quemado

    freagle ,

    What a fucking racist sinophobic thing to say after the North Atlantic has experienced the LIBOR scandal, the Madoff scandal, the Enron scandal, the 2008 subprime scandal, the Theranos scandal, the FTX scandal, the Volkswagen Dieselgate scandal, the drug money laundering scandal, the WorldCom scandal, the Wirecard scandal, the Hurricane Katrina fraud, the multiple COVID profiteering fraud, the revelations in the Panama Paper, the revelations in the Swiss Leaks, the revelations in the Paradise Papers, the revelations in the Bahamas Leaks, the revelations in the FinCEN files, the revelations in the Pandora Papers, the revelations in the Suisse Secrets, the Qatargate scandal, the WeWork scandal, the Jack Abramoff scandals, the kids-for-cash scandal…

    And this doesn’t even get into the bog standard behavior of market manipulation by hedge funds, the theft of property from citizens by police rivaling and sometimes exceeding the annual theft of property by criminals, the billions in annual wage theft, the behavior of the North Atlantic multi-national oil companies, the behavior of the North Atlantic coal companies, the behavior of the North Atlantic weapons manufactures, the behavior of the North Atlantic war-chasing reconstruction consultants, the behavior of American monopolists, the insider trading of American politicians, the billions in legal bribery we call lobbying, Forbes literally writing an article that it was impossible to keep up with all the corporate accounting scandals so they tried to make a running list and just stopped updating it in 2002.

    Fuck off with your bigoted bullshit.

    Blursty ,
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    Go back to reddit Adolf.

    morry040 ,

    As with any data out of China, it would be underestimated or unreliable, but yes, it seems like it should have been larger.

    The metrics in the latest RBA chart pack were not encouraging either.
    https://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/pdf/chart-pack.pdf?v=2023-07-18-17-40-13

    freagle ,

    You do realize that there is a financial sector that invests both domestically and internationally? If literally everything was unreliable, it would be nigh impossible for investors to turn a profit.

    HobbitFoot ,

    There is a financial sector in China, but the sector is much smaller than other countries because it is considered less trustworthy.

    Joncash2 ,

    Ah yes, the country with the 3rd largest stock exchange is clearly much smaller than other countries.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges

    What are you smoking and where can I get some?

    morry040 ,

    Not every sector of the economy is questionable, but where data heavily overall metrics like GDP, there have been well-documented issues of data integrity. For example, population counts.

    This research paper from 2013 shows many more examples of discrepancies.

    freagle ,

    The “discrepancies” you refer in this state-sponsored research paper published by a hostile, violent, authoritarian, genocidal, regressive, and oppressive regime that has held power in its country for decades is hardly to be trusted at face value. This authoritarian country has a cultural history of lying, cheating, and manipulating the truth for their own personal and racist objectives. It’ll take a long time before a country like that will be civilized enough to be trustworthy. That said, if you actually READ the report, it talks about primarily logistical issues, 2 political events (GLF and Tienanmen) that have absolutely nothing to do with the trustworthiness of the their data but rather are quite literally propagandistic elements to make the reader BELIEVE that Chinese reporting is somehow more untrustworthy than the author’s of the paper when when the number of examples of falsified data coming out of their own country could fill multiple volumes.

    Meanwhile, most of the report is about potential discrepancies, not actual discrepancies, with very few examples peppered throughout to make it seem like they’re saying more than they are.

    At the same time, China literally publishes five-year plans, executes on them, reports on them every year, then publishes new five-year plans. How much more transparent than literally every other nation on the planet could China be before you admit you’re wrong? Do they need to build a massive surveillance project and ghettoize all of their lumpen so they can get you accurate population counts like the North Atlantic countries do?

    morry040 ,

    Regarding transparency, governments such as the US, UK, and Australia publish not only the results of metrics like inflation but also the methodology applied to determine the results.
    https://www.bls.gov/cpi/methods-overview.htm
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices#methodology
    https://www.abs.gov.au/methodologies/consumer-price-index-australia-methodology/mar-quarter-2023

    Can you direct me to the resource where I can find a similar level of detail for the Chinese economy?

    freagle ,

    Nope. Why are those specific metrics more important than 5-year plans? What makes it “more transparent” instead of simply “more accurate”? Who are the publications for? Private investors trying to make a profit? Is it possible that China isn’t willing to put as much effort into reporting for that purpose? Why can’t the US, UK, and Australia publish 5-year plans?

    morry040 ,

    Why are those specific metrics more important than 5-year plans?

    Because a plan is just an intention or wishful thinking. Inflation data is an actual, measurable result.

    Inflation data is one of the most common economic measurements and it can be reasonably expected that every country should be able to not only report on the inflation metric itself, but provide details on the measurement and the methodology used so that every country, globally, knows that the metric reported by each country is transparent and credible. Understanding the methodology then allows analysts to investigate the underlying drivers of the inflation result, confirm its accuracy, and compare it between countries by using similar methodologies.

    Simply put, if a country can't provide detailed explanations on how they determine an important metric like inflation, then what does that suggest about other metrics or results that they share?

    freagle ,

    Inflation is pretty fraught. No one seems to have a good grip on what to do with it. There’s multiple ways for every country to measure inflation, most them have to do with the prices of specific categories of goods. How does that work when most of the goods used for an index are price controlled? How do you measure such a thing when prices are driven by both market dynamics and public policy?

    Harping on inflation is sort of like saying China should be paying attention to yardage gains on the gridiron while they’re busy playing baseball. China is playing a fundamentally different game than the North Atlantic. Part of that game is trapping capitalists by incentivizing them to invest without it being in the capitalists’ long term interest. Of course there’s going to be a difference between Chinese financial reporting and European - China is trying to undermine the European world order using European money freely given by Europeans (and their settler descendants).

    That doesn’t mean they are fudging numbers and completely incapable of getting accurate information. It just means their focus is different and they’ll only put in the effort they have to in order to attract investment. The rest of their efforts are going towards building and executing 5-year plans that actually contribute to their society and preventing the North Atlantic from infiltrating, invading, starving or nuking them.

    But yeah, ok. They could report inflation numbers better. Why don’t you go talk to people who moved their businesses to China or invest billions in China and see if they think your complaint matches their reality. Until then, you’re literally picking at nits.

    freagle ,

    Also, the 5-year plans are tracked and reported on. They are consistently delivered on. When there is variance that variance is analyzed and the learnings are incorporated into future plans. They’ve been doing this for decades. It’s not wishful thinking.

    cleric_splash ,

    You do realize

    He does but narrative > logic, he doesn’t believe his own words.

    fist_of_fartitude , to worldnews in Outrage after women paraded naked in Indian state
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    Prime Minister Narendra Modi also said the incident had “shamed India” and that “no guilty will be spared”.

    And you can believe him because of the great job he did with the Gujarat riots in 2002.

    Son_of_dad ,

    I don’t see how this shames India anymore than it is already. This type of story is way too common out of India, and I won’t accept the population size as the reason. Sadly it’s one of the countries I refuse to visit and know that the culture won’t change in my lifetime

    fist_of_fartitude ,
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    Modi, imo, has no problem with angry religiously motivated mobs, so long as it’s the Hindutva people committing the violence. He’s just making the noises the expected noises for the sake of propriety - don’t expect anything to change markedly.

    anon , to technology in Netflix password crackdown has actually caused a growth in Subscriptions
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    If Netflix’s reporting on the matter is to be believed, then it’s an ironic outcome considering the wave of strongly-opinionated comments predicting the death of Netflix following the crackdown on password sharing. I guess convenience and habits really trump principles and posturing.

    Noxvento ,
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    I unsubed. But many did not.

    Dankry ,
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    I would’ve but I had already cancelled over a year ago because Netflix doesn’t have anything worth watching.

    AA5B ,

    Yeah, I have been wondering just how bad their content has gotten, or of I somehow got pigeonholed by their filtering algorithms. Somehow almost everything was rated two stars out of five and just plain bad, or in some random language that I don’t speak.

    I’m really pissed off when the same movie keeps appearing in every section with different thumbnail. Yes I’ve been fooled by both the category and the different appearance but I don’t recall ever being tricked into watching something, only annoyed and frustrated

    UnhappyCamper ,
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    What I'm finding and what's really annoying, is that every streaming service out there has like 1 or 2 shows and a couple of movies I want to see. Someone will bring up a show, but oh sorry, it's on Crave. Or nope, that one's on Disney Plus. That other show? It's on Prime.

    I recently canceled Netflix and moved to Crave, and I am certainly no happier. Thank God I barely care to watch TV as it is.

    aqua ,
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    I never gave them money to begin with, we are not the same.

    Gustavo Fring meme

    jasonwaterfalls ,

    I told my family I was going to cancel when they cracked down on our households sharing and they haven’t yet. My parents are still enjoying it at their house, and me at mine.

    ForgetReddit ,

    I hated the crackdown but resisting on “principles” is bizarre to me. I left Reddit and Twitter due to principles. Netflix wanting to get paid for their service and content is reasonable. Wanting a business to serve you up free entertainment with no catch?

    Also before anyone tries to claim hypocrisy - The difference between that and Twitter/Reddit is myself and the community create the content and are forcefed ads.

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    Your a shill. Find a boot to lick

    jukes ,
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    *You’re

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    No your

    ForgetReddit ,

    I don’t pay for Netflix and think their content mostly sucks but thinking “I deserve this service for free” is a childish perspective. Go ahead and pirate it, I couldn’t care less, but don’t act like it gives you the moral high ground lol

    bh11235 , (edited )

    With this whole “you pay for a screen package, love is sharing a password” business they just dug a PR hole for themselves. If they’d had offered price X per screen from the start, then introduced a “same household discount” or whatever, we wouldn’t have all this outrage. But execs can only see as far as next quarter and here we are.

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    Nobody said free. Nothing is free. We all pay a service. If you want ads go ahead. Don’t bring the rest of us down with you.

    Indicated of shill and bootlicker syndrome.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    This isn't a logical argument. It's a childish attempt at discrediting. You failed.

    Sarsaparilla ,
    @Sarsaparilla@kbin.social avatar

    Netflix wanting to get paid for their service and content is reasonable.

    Sure, it's reasonable, and why I started subscribing in the first place. But if I pay for four screens, I expect to be able to use all of those four screens, no matter what address they are being viewed from.

    ForgetReddit ,

    Yeah that’s totally fair and Netflix fucked that up

    Whirlybird ,

    You’re not paying for that though. The terms of service have never allowed giving other people your details and letting people outside your household use your account.

    Also you can still use 4 devices no matter where you are - mobile devices and tablets and laptops are not IP restricted.

    Maestro ,
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    Netflix started out encouraging password sharing, even promoted it on Twitter back in the days.

    Whirlybird ,

    Yeh, when they allowed it. They changed their terms of service.

    Marsupial ,
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    So clearly some people did pay for that and it was changed at a later date…

    Whirlybird ,

    Companies are allowed to change their terms of service.

    Marsupial ,
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    People are allowed to be pissed off when they do.

    Whirlybird ,

    Absolutely they are. Didn’t say they can’t be.

    What they can’t do however is think that they’re entitled to use the service in ways that are against the terms of service.

    rikonium ,

    Company decides to change the deal and terms of service to require nudes and accompanying driver’s licenses photos every 21 days in this wild hypothetical

    Whirlybird: Why do people think they’re entitled to use a private company’s service nude-free while still paying? It’s in the ToS!

    Whirlybird ,

    Whirlybird: unsubscribe if the terms of service are not to your liking

    rikonium: no I demand the other terms of service! Netflix is a human right!

    snooggums ,
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    Mobile devices are restricted by being forced to connect to your 'home' network regularly.

    Whirlybird ,

    And that’s fine because it’s not stopping you from using your 4 devices.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    About a month ago we could not use the account on a smart TV in the rental home because it was away from the home network. Updating the home network wasn't an option because the family members not on the trip were still watching things at home.

    Being able to watch on a phone, but not on a TV, is stupid.

    DrGunjah ,

    You skipped the part where Netflix actually encouraged account sharing for a long time. Now they frame the account sharers as thieves. Also the other part where quality of content goes down while subscription prices go up while still not providing plans with hq streams for single people. Which all was tolerable for a few bucks a month. Without sharing netflix is simply not worth the money

    ForgetReddit ,

    Can you point to where they’re calling account sharers “thieves”? I’ve just seen them say they’re now limiting screens. And agreed the content sucks which is why I unsubscribed awhile ago. No one is forcing you to use it, but at the same time no one deserves it for free.

    DrGunjah , (edited )

    They’re not saying it directly of course, but they clearly frame the account sharers as “bad guys” now. I mean you’re correct that no one is entitled to watch netflix for free but that “poor netflix just wants to get paid” narrative is some serious BS. I also kinda doubt netflix tells us the 100% truth about subscription growth/recession. The only reason I did not switch my account on/off over the years was because it was shared and it would have required coordination with the other party.

    JasSmith ,

    I think I am more annoyed by their pricing plans following this move. They are double dipping by charging more for additional screens and then preventing users from using said additional screens. They shouldn't have tiered pricing plans by number of screens if they have no intention of honouring them.

    ForgetReddit ,

    Yeah that all sucks, which is why I unsubscribed to it. But I also understand I don’t deserve it for free.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    It isn't free, someone is paying for it.

    Whirlybird ,

    They’re not preventing you from using more screens. If you want to watch Netflix while the kids watch Netflix in another room, that’s what the multiple device plans are for.

    JasSmith ,

    Unless I want to watch from my holiday home. Or if my kids want to watch Netflix at my ex's house. Or if I travel regularly. Or I want to regularly watch Netflix with my friend or girlfriend at their house. There are numerous reports of restrictions on all of these, so they clearly are limiting the number of screens I can use.

    NOT_RICK ,
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    You get a one time use PW in all those other instances. I was actually thinking about creating a shared email address with only a Netflix account associated to it so my whole family could still use it without having to pester one another about the one time use code, but at that point piracy is just easier.

    JasSmith ,

    I haven't heard of that. So the one time use password is used to log in and then it works fine without warnings etc?

    NOT_RICK ,
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    To my knowledge yeah, it’s a one session pw.

    didntwemeetin2007 ,
    Hogger85b ,

    Except netlfix sold people a license to view 3 streams then told people they couldn't decide who used those streams.

    LostCause ,

    Always and inevitably, each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals in the world

    anon ,
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    In the timeless wisdom words of George Carlin,

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

    Whirlybird ,

    Just because they don’t share the same opinion as you doesn’t mean they’re stupid. Netflix is great for just sitting down and watching something random and discovering new shows and movies - especially foreign ones. It’s also priceless for kids shows for parents.

    LostCause ,

    Stupidity is in the eye of the beholder. You can judge me as stupid in return for thinking that of these new subscribers if you want and then we‘ll both go our ways. Only one of us will pay Netflix no matter how much they enshittify their service or how much they raise their prices (since it‘s "priceless") and one won‘t. C‘est la vie.

    GCostanzaStepOnMe ,

    Jesus Christ the arrogance.

    cosmic_slate ,
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  • LostCause , (edited )

    I‘m already disappointed in people, this is barely making a dent, all that happened is the comment made me of think of a funny quote and then this other guy had to regale me with this "Netflix is priceless" crap, and now I get you heroes here advocating for the sorry ass corporation too. What a mistake of me to even be on social media at all, if it‘s just supposed to be a popular sentiment marketing circlejerk!

    Whirlybird ,

    As I said, as a parent having a ready stream of endless Childrens content available at any time on any device in any place is priceless, and definitely worth the $20 a month or whatever it is you pay for it.

    GCostanzaStepOnMe , (edited )

    Actually, buying anything means you participate in the marketing circle jerk. That’s what George Carlin taught me.

    Whirlybird ,

    It was always going to lead to more subscribers because more people would lose access to Netflix so would subscribe themselves than would cancel their account because others couldn’t use their login.

    The people that lost Netflix weren’t subscribers, and lots of them would have them subscribed. The subscribers had no reason to unsubscribe.

    notapantsday ,

    The subscribers had no reason to unsubscribe.

    I was the subscriber and I unsubscribed because I alone wasn’t using it enough to justify the price. When I knew my sister and her family were watching too, it felt more like it was worth it.

    cmrn , to technology in Netflix password crackdown has actually caused a growth in Subscriptions

    The account I share with family still works, but the second it doesn’t… it’s the pirate life for me

    TheRedSpade ,

    Same here. As soon as my mom tells me she can’t log in, I’m cancelling.

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