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I wish you happy seething and coping

yogthos OP ,
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The actual value of 5G is in facilitating autonomous robotics and industrial automation as opposed to stuff like mobile phones. It’s high bandwidth and low latency which allows

The rubric “smart cities” encompasses a complex of 5G-enabled technologies that will drastically reduce freight and package delivery times, passenger waiting time, labor costs and energy utilization. With high-speed 5G available at almost all of China’s major urban centers now, China already has introduced autonomous vehicles for urban personal transport. Most Chinese cities are new with main thoroughfares that can easily accommodate autonomous vehicles. The low latency (very rapid response time) of 5G allows autonomous vehicles to communicate with each other almost instantly, a critical safety feature. Following this, China has begun to control urban traffic flow with central computers that match passengers and packages to vehicles, including drones.

Moreover, in terms of commercial efficiency, China has made operational fully automated warehouses, pioneered by the Chinese Internet retailers Alibaba and JD.com. It has integrated urban hubs with suburban spokes through high-speed trains. And it Used the Internet of Things (IoT) and “smart” solar panels to reduce the energy cost of heating and cooling buildings.

According to Chinese industry sources, 5,000 private industrial 5G networks already are in place in China, with another 50,000 expected to be completed in the next year.9 These include the automated ports in Shanghai’s Yangshan Container Port, the world’s largest, as well as industrial robotics, autonomous vehicles, and other applications. Comparable networks in the US and Europe for the most part are experimental rather than operational. The Trump Administration’s sanctions against sale of components including semiconductors made with U.S. equipment or intellectual property appeared to have slowed China’s 5G rollout only slightly.

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The article is about Huawei having the capability to produce domestic 5G chips in collaboration with SMIC, these chips are of course used in phones as well. I’m simply pointing out that phone use isn’t the interesting part.

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I don’t see why Africa would invest in outdated technology when they can have high speed rail. There’s literally zero rationale to do that.

yogthos OP ,
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I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that the actual economists in Africa have done the math here.

yogthos OP ,
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Again, I have no idea why you’re assuming these countries haven’t done due diligence before embarking on a megaproject like this. A really weird premise to start from to be honest.

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If you wanted to make a serious critique then you should spend the time to actually learn about the project and criticize specifics instead of just making stuff up based on what your country does.

yogthos OP ,
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Why are you saying I’m being defensive when I’m simply pointing out that what you’re saying is unsubstantiated, and it’s not really possible to have a meaningful discussion without knowing the actual details of the plan. If there’s something specific you want to criticize then that would be an interesting discussion, but simply claiming high speed rail is a bad idea because reasons is just noise.

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I know the post doesn’t have the details, hence it doesn’t really much make sense to make extrapolations you’re making based on the content of it. The post just says that Africa is building high speed rail, which I think is an interesting development. Whether there are going to be problems or not remains to be seen but to me this is clearly a positive development.

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There is no China debt trap. That’s just concern trolling western trolls invented

yogthos OP ,
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Indeed, and China also does a lot of loan forgiveness because they want to establish long term mutually beneficial relationships as opposed to just strip mine these countries the way the west does.

yogthos OP ,
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indeed

yogthos OP ,
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What uneven logic are you accusing me of specifically?

yogthos OP , (edited )
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I didn’t lose any argument. All companies steal tech from each other everywhere all the time. The claim you were trying to make is that China somehow steals from the west at state level as a policy. Today, China is way ahead of the west in many areas technologically, I guess using your galaxy brain logic they must be stealing it from the future.

The best part here is that you genuinely think you made a good and coherent point. 😂

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meanwhile in the real world 😂

yogthos OP ,
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👍

yogthos OP ,
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Indeed, I’m completely against intellectual property as it holds back humanity as a whole for the benefit of enriching a small minority and creating inequality.

yogthos OP ,
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Exactly, China leads in lots of areas. 5G tech, quantum communication, bullet trains, nuclear power, just to name a few. People who keep claiming that China is just stealing and copying western tech are just ignorant racists.

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US economy was in shock when a single ship got stuck in Suez Canal, that’s how fragile it is. If China cut US off, then most necessities of life would disappear overnight, and there wouldn’t be any readily available replacements US could source quickly. Meanwhile, China is far less dependent on US than the other way around. China doesn’t get anything essential from US, and trade imbalance massively favors China. China can absolutely survive without US.

US has no military power over most of Eurasia or Middle East at this point, and it’s not even able to compete with Russia militarily as it turns out. China’s industrial power absolutely dwarfs both US and Russia, so US would have absolutely no hope if it ever came to a war with China. You don’t have to take it from me either, here’s Pentagon freaking out over this archive.ph/YOV9X

If China pulled out of the US, the pressure would be on US soil to bring prices of commodities down.

You can’t just make industry appear out of thin air in the real world. It takes years to build factories, train workers, and establish supply chains. You can’t just print money and make these things magically appear.

China is a cheap source of labor to the US, but so is India.

That’s wrong again. China is not a cheap source of labour, it’s a technological power with well ironed out supply chains and skilled workers. India isn’t anywhere close in terms of technological development. Here are just a couple of recent examples of that

US wouldn’t cease to exist, but it would have a massive economic crash and it would never recover to its current level of power.

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You should take a look at the sheer amount of commodities US imports from China, these can’t be replaced overnight. Meanwhile, India is simply not able to do what China does. The whole talk of moving manufacturing to India comes from sheer ignorance of what it takes to do the kind of manufacturing China does. Companies are already giving up on India as the two links I gave in the other thread show.

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I’m going to say the same thing I’ve already said repeatedly which you just can’t seem to understand. US is not able to coerce China while China is able to coerce US. That’s literally what we’re seeing. The balance of power here is favoring China. If US can’t make China pay what it considers to be the debt while still paying debt that China demands that’s US showing itself to be weak.

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Again, China can find new countries to export to, and that is literally the whole idea behind BRICS and BRI where China is actively investing into helping countries develop and then sell them their technology. If you look at the breakdown of Chinese exports, it’s pretty clear that US and EU aren’t the major market anymore. The risks are not symmetric. For China, it would be a pain, but wouldn’t be existential. For US and EU it would be a crisis.

US weapons are steamrolling the Russian army, without any US solders operating them.

You must be living in an alternate reality. All US weapons have failed miserably in Ukraine, and Ukraine has failed to gain any ground in over 4 weeks of their offensive. This is well documented all over western media. Just a couple of recent examples for you

Do you truly believe the US couldn’t roll through Russia the way Wagner did two weeks ago with only 25,000 troops?

No sane person believe that US could roll through Russia.

Wagner is/was proud of the fact they used western arms and not Russian or Chinese.

Wagner is a tiny portion of Russian military force, if you don’t even understand what role wagner plays what else is there to say really.

To say the US couldn’t take Russia is naive at best, downright false at worst.

You really gotta stop guzzling propaganda. Not a single person in US military shares this insane view with you. 😂

Your hypothetical disregards the existence of NATO and Indo-Pacific alliances. Article 5: An attack on one is an attack on all.

First of all, article 5 doesn’t say what you think it says. It says that countries have to provide support at their discretion which can be basically anything. Second, NATO is literally running out of ammunition right now and lacks the industrial base to make more.

US aims go from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000 by the spring and 40,000 by 2025. defensenews.com/…/army-plans-dramatic-ammo-produc…

Meanwhile, Russia was producing over a million shells a year long before the war started, it’s vastly more now

This is just one example of why US has absolutely no hope of fighting Russia. I’m not even going to go into the fact that Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal and nuclear hypersonic weapons US has no defense against.

You should also read up on what US military planners say about a war with China. Here’s what the Pentagon had to say recently about it archive.ph/YOV9X

But let’s dig deeper: the US has the most aircraft carriers in world

Oh you mean obsolete boats that can be easily destroyed by modern hypersonic weapons US has no defence against?

I recommend trying engaging with reality asiatimes.com/…/war-game-china-hypersonics-sink-u…

No, what has actually happened is that there are two world superpowers instead of one, each ruling their part of the globe, each dependant on the other to not drop the facade so they have an “enemy” to blame at home. To say either single country could take on the other is probably the worst argument you tried to make

What’s actually happening is that US empire is crumbling, and the cost of keeping the grip on the empire is now exceeding the material returns US gets back from the colonies. This is leading to an economic collapse in US domestically that’s currently unfolding.

China doesn’t need to take on US directly, and it’s pretty clear that China’s plan is to just wait for US to keep losing power due to its internal contradictions. Time is on China’s side. However, if US did try to start a war with China, the consequences for US would be absolutely disastrous.

yogthos OP ,
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Again, you can’t just magic industry into existence. It takes time to create it. India is not a replacement for China, and it has a long way to go before it can do what China does. Meanwhile, China has no problems expanding because it’s directly investing into countries in BRI and BRICS.

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And I keep saying it: one side is forced to pay their debts to the other. It’s absolutely hilarious that you think the side being forced to pay is the side that’s actually showing strength. When a schoolyard bully takes your lunch money, it’s actually you showing strength by giving it. 😂

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😂

yogthos OP ,
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And you’ve finally exposed yourself as being utterly ignorant on the subject you’re attempting to debate. You keep on huffing copium there while you can, soon you’re going to have to grapple with the real world. Bye.

yogthos OP ,
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You keep on believing that.

yogthos OP ,
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The fact that you think you were making me look stupid here is really the cherry on top. 😂

yogthos OP ,
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😂

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yogthos OP ,
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It is, if you can’t imagine how innovation happens outside of capitalism then educate yourself. Google exists, go read up on how socialist countries develop and innovate. For example, you can read up on how Cuba is one of the few countries in the world that managed to develop covid vaccines.

yogthos OP ,
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That’s a fallacious argument. US led empire has dominated the world up to now because US wasn’t directly involved in WW2. While the rest of the world burned, US profiteered from the war and the reconstruction after. That’s why the world looks the way it does today.

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These “near-schizophrenic” economic controls are the reason China has had continuous growth for decades, meanwhile western economies have had three major crashes in the past three decades along. 😂

yogthos OP ,
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Best of luck with that.

yogthos OP ,
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One China policy is an internal US policy, and acknowledgement that Taiwan is part of China. In terms of international law, the only thing that matters is the fact that UN recognizes Taiwan being part of China. You keep on doing your mental gymnastics though.

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Taiwan is likewise entirely dependent on mainland China economically, and Chinese military could go in and put an end to the farce any time as well. They’re choosing to let the situation be. It’s basically exactly the same situation.

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Because that was the original basis for the relationship between the west and China. I’m not sure what claims you think I made that don’t exist.

yogthos OP ,
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You continue to be confused here. Postdam Declaration and One China policy are simply the basis for the dialogue between China and US, and that is the basis on which US acknowledges that Taiwan is indeed part of China. In terms of international law, the only thing that matters is the UN stance which is that Taiwan is part of China. This is in no way ambiguous.

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😂

yogthos OP ,
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How many times do I have to explain to you that it’s the UN stance that matters in terms of international law. The only reason I mentioned Postdam is as the basis for dialog. It’s clear that you’re just not reading what I’m writing. Bye.

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