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yogthos OP ,
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Can’t wait for somebody to explain to me how Sky news is actually doing Russian propaganda.

yogthos OP ,
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Engaging with reality has nothing to do with hating Ukrainians. In fact, the only people who actually hate Ukrainians are the ones who want this war to keep going so that more people die or have their lives ruined. Anybody who looks at what happened over the past two years objectively can see that this has been an utter disaster for Ukraine, and it’s only getting worse.

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In fact, it’s pretty hard to think of a war since WW2 where US was on the right side of history.

yogthos OP ,
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What I post is a realistic analysis of the situation, and having delusional fantasies about the state of the war certainly isn’t helping anybody. Also, last I checked Zelensky was elected on the platform of implementing Minsk and patching up relations with Russia. The fact that you would lie about something like this says volumes.

The reality is that America has hollowed out its industrial power and at this point can’t produce weapons at the rate they’re being consumed in this war. Furthermore, Ukraine isn’t central to US interests because US is ultimately preparing for a war with China. What’s going to happen in the end is that US will abandon Ukraine. Anybody who thinks that US will fight for Ukraine at the expense of US interests is historically illiterate.

yogthos OP , (edited )
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US industry accounts for only around 11% of its GDP nowadays, and the amount of shells US can produce today is laughable.

Army Secretary Christine Wormuth separately told reporters that the U.S. will go from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000 by the spring and 40,000 by 2025.

Biden has literally admitted that the reason cluster munitions are being sent is because US ran through the regular munition stocks.

You’re not going to respond further because you know that the facts aren’t on your side. No amount of name calling and personal insults is going to change that. You’re either an ignoramus or a liar, either way not a good look.

yogthos OP , (edited )
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While people making money from the war is certainly a big aspect of all this, the reality is that US can’t produce ammunition at the rate it’s being consumed. Two things can be true at the same time. Eventually, this grift will run its course and it will be the people of Ukraine who suffer in the end being led up the garden path by the west.

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Donbas has always been the main issue between Ukraine and Russia, and if Zelensky actually followed through on his platform Russia would’ve likely not cared about Ukraine joining the EU. In fact, they even said as much. Instead, Zelensky did a 180 on what he said he’d do and now we are here.

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Context matters, 15% failure rate for a weaopon is certainly often. Furthermore, what that means in the context of cluster munitions is that they just sit there long after the conflict is over, so when people stumble on them decades later they get maimed and killed.

This is currently happening in places like Vietnam that were subjected to these horrors by US. Now it’s going to be the turn for the people of Ukraine.

Any pretenses that US actually cares about the people of that country have now been dropped.

yogthos OP ,
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High ranking UN official obviously speaking in official capacity said that UN rejects use of cluster munition. Imagine being the sort of scumbag who jumps in to defend the use of cluster munitions.

yogthos OP ,
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I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with a troll, but just going to leave this here so people reading this thread understand what use of cluster munitions means and why most countries and UN advocate banning these munitions.

There are a couple variants of these shells, but given that the M483A1 has already been delivered to Ukraine from Turkey in 2022, I’m going to focus on that one for now. Failure rate of the submunitions is reported at between 2.4% to 4.1% depending on the source, so we can take 3% as a probable number.

Each shell contains 88 submunitions - 64 anti-personnel, 24 shaped charge. To be conservative, let’s count the shaped charge submunitions as I find them less concerning for the civilian aspect in this regard. This would give about two undetonated fragmentation submunitions scattered in an area of 30,000 square meters per shell.

Assuming these shells are being supplied because Ukraine is running out of conventional payloads, which Biden appeared to admit to be the case, it is logical they will not be used only for “specific targets” but used for general artillery.

Given reports of around 5,000 shells fired by Ukraine per day, that gives us up to about 10,000 undetonated fragmentation submunitions left behind per day, with each having a 10 meter kill radius if detonated.

This is the real issue with these munitions. These will present danger to people living in this area long after the conflict is over. Any country that chooses to supply these munitions to Ukraine clearly does not care about the people living there. Anybody who tries to rationalize or downplay the horror of these munitions is a piece of human garbage.

yogthos OP ,
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The link is perfectly true, and here’s Forbes reporting the same thing:

A spokesperson for U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres said Friday that Guterres was against the use of cluster munitions, indicating he supported the 2008 treaty, according to CNN.

Claiming that UN Secretary-General doesn’t speak for UN is some serious mental gymnastics.

yogthos OP ,
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lol ok dude

yogthos OP ,
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I’m actually amused at how much fun you seem to have doing this despite how bad you are at it.

It’s like you read some skiddie guide on trolling and disinformation. You’re not even subtle. This is just the most laughable attempt.

Lol, do you feel like you’re helping some cause or something? Are you like a secret agent?

yogthos OP ,
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that’s a great example of being confidently wrong, recommend watching this explanation to educate yourself a bit www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdZbq1iw-ho

yogthos OP ,
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I don’t think companies should be in charge of national resources, and anybody who does needs their head checked.

yogthos ,
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Ah yes, the land of the free where thought police will bust servers where people practice wrongthink.

yogthos ,
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People who study things have the best idea of what’s likely to happen in the future by virtue of spending the time to understand the domain they study. Maybe if you spend the time learning about the subjects you opine on then you too will be able to make a coherent argument in the future. Consider doing that instead of trolling on internet forums.

yogthos ,
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If you don’t understand how expertise allows people to make better decisions than people without any experience in the subject there’s really nothing else to tell you. Good news is I don’t have to convince you of anything, the reality is going to become clear even to you soon enough.

yogthos ,
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I mean you certainly sound like an expert on the subject qualified to question his expertise. I also love how you disingenuously ignore the context of what he said and when he said it as if the state of the world has not changed over time. You’re free to live in whatever fantasies you want, but sooner or later you are going to have to reconcile them with the real world.

yogthos ,
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U.S. Lt. Col. Alex Vershinin retired after 20 years of service, including eight years as an armor officer with four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and 12 years working as a modeling and simulations officer in NATO and U.S. Army concept development and experimentation is a military expert though, and he gives a pretty similar assessment www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine

RAND also seems to disagree with you www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.htmlCSIS isn’t painting a pretty picture either csis.org/…/empty-bins-wartime-environment-challen…

Not really sure which generals you’re listening too, but I haven’t seen a single serious military person say anything even remotely close to what you seem to think is happening.

yogthos ,
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ISW is not a serious publication. It’s a neocon think tank that consistently got everything wrong from the start. If that’s what you’ve been referencing then I see why you’re confused. Meanwhile, we already see what’s possible and not possible given that Ukrainian offensive has ground to a halt and failed to make any meaningful progress in around a month now. If you can’t understand what an utter disaster this is from Ukrainian perspective then I really don’t know what else to tell you. This summer will indeed clarify a lot of things for people.

yogthos OP ,
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The bloat in modern software is just incredible, meanwhile there’s very little new functionality for the users. Things just get slower and buggier as opposed to better in any tangible terms.

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