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fedfedfedd ,

Anyone here thinks 5G is overhyped? 4G in my country has the same speed as 5G in China. Seems dumb to upgrade to an inferior product.

Most people here dont even care about 5G when they reach 150mbps on 4G.

yogthos OP ,
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The actual value of 5G is in facilitating autonomous robotics and industrial automation as opposed to stuff like mobile phones. It’s high bandwidth and low latency which allows

The rubric “smart cities” encompasses a complex of 5G-enabled technologies that will drastically reduce freight and package delivery times, passenger waiting time, labor costs and energy utilization. With high-speed 5G available at almost all of China’s major urban centers now, China already has introduced autonomous vehicles for urban personal transport. Most Chinese cities are new with main thoroughfares that can easily accommodate autonomous vehicles. The low latency (very rapid response time) of 5G allows autonomous vehicles to communicate with each other almost instantly, a critical safety feature. Following this, China has begun to control urban traffic flow with central computers that match passengers and packages to vehicles, including drones.

Moreover, in terms of commercial efficiency, China has made operational fully automated warehouses, pioneered by the Chinese Internet retailers Alibaba and JD.com. It has integrated urban hubs with suburban spokes through high-speed trains. And it Used the Internet of Things (IoT) and “smart” solar panels to reduce the energy cost of heating and cooling buildings.

According to Chinese industry sources, 5,000 private industrial 5G networks already are in place in China, with another 50,000 expected to be completed in the next year.9 These include the automated ports in Shanghai’s Yangshan Container Port, the world’s largest, as well as industrial robotics, autonomous vehicles, and other applications. Comparable networks in the US and Europe for the most part are experimental rather than operational. The Trump Administration’s sanctions against sale of components including semiconductors made with U.S. equipment or intellectual property appeared to have slowed China’s 5G rollout only slightly.

dc.claremont.org/how-america-can-lose-the-fourth-…

fedfedfedd ,

The actual value of 5G is in facilitating autonomous robotics and industrial automation as opposed to stuff like mobile phones. It’s high bandwidth and low latency which allows

But the article is about phones?

yogthos OP ,
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The article is about Huawei having the capability to produce domestic 5G chips in collaboration with SMIC, these chips are of course used in phones as well. I’m simply pointing out that phone use isn’t the interesting part.

BartsBigBugBag ,

150mbps isn’t close to 5g Speed Cap, though I’m not familiar with the speeds in China. When I was in the phone industry, 5G phones could typically pull upwards of 300mbps on a regular basis. Idk why you need that speed on a mobile phone, but it is possible, and very useful for non phone wireless use.

Joncash2 ,

The reason you think that is because you’ve never been to China. No city’s average 5G speeds is as low as 150MB.

statista.com/…/china-5g-download-speed-by-provinc….

The problem is you’re using YOUR countries poor excuse for 5G as a reason to say it’s inferior.

www.lightreading.com/asia/…/775634

Maybe if your country didn’t ban Huawei, the creators of 5G you wouldn’t think it’s an inferior product.

fedfedfedd ,

Maybe if your country didn’t ban Huawei, the creators of 5G you wouldn’t think it’s an inferior product

What does a ban on a company has to do with 5G towers? Other companies cant make 5G towers?

Joncash2 , (edited )

Maybe try reading the articles I posted. In the second one, Eric Schmit from Google explains the problem. Essentially Huawei’s 5G covers more spectrums than western ones. So you’ll never get the full performance from western 5G making people like you think 5G is inferior when it’s really the poor implementation.

*Edit: I’ll also add that was the hilarity of the US 5G knocking out airplanes. Since the US can’t use as varied spectrums as Chinese hardware can, they ended up interfering with US airplanes.

www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/tech/…/index.html

CmdrShepard ,

The article doesn’t state that at all actually. It just says, according to SpeedTest, China has deployed more of the spectrum already where as the US is only rolling out mid-band frequencies (as of 15 months ago). It says nothing about China having special frequencies not available to the US, nor does it (incorrectly) state that Huawei invented 5G.

You’re probably not familiar with the landscape of the US, but much of the country is rural which is why we have more users per tower since it isn’t financially advantageous for companies to roll out new towers where few people can use them.

Joncash2 ,

… you don’t understand at all. I am not going to be able to explain it to you. There are no special spectrums. US equipment can only do mid band where as Huawei can also do high and low. That’s the problem. There’s no magic that you seem to think there is.

*Edit. Also this has nothing to do with how many towers there are. The towers near the airports were always there. Yet they interfered because USA can only do mid band. Had they been able to do low band there wouldn’t have been issues.

CmdrShepard , (edited )

I think you may not understand the topic. We have low, mid, and high band frequencies here they’re just being rolled out at a different pace. I didn’t think there was any magic involved, I was just referencing the words that you wrote when you said China has bands that we don’t in the US (incorrect)

www.fcc.gov/5G

The issue with planes is that the altimeter uses a frequency near the band that was being rolled out and due to a lack of communication between airlines and internet service providers, nobody had tested whether it would cause issues with the altimeters. You seem to have misunderstood this issue as well as no ‘planes fell out of the sky,’ we still have 5G, and planes are still flying. They opted to take the safer route by temporarily canceling flights when they were unsure of the level of interference.

Joncash2 ,

You’re not understanding what I’m saying. I’m saying the FCC currently cannot roll out other bands because their equipment doesn’t work. Yes, they have plans to once the equipment works, but currently they’re only rolling out mid-bands because that’s all they have. Listing the FCC’s failure doesn’t change that the US hasn’t been able to roll out the entire spectrum where as China did.

CmdrShepard ,

Essentially Huawei’s 5G covers more spectrums than western ones. So you’ll never get the full performance from western 5G

So when you said the west would “never get the full performance of 5G” because Huawei’s 5G covers spectrums that western 5G does not, what you really meant was the US has the same spectrums available for 5G and are planning a future rollout but currently China has deployed more?

Can you blame me for “not understanding?”

zephyreks ,

Turns out your phone isn’t the only device that connects to the network. Crazy, I know.

fedfedfedd ,

The article is about phones. Did you even read it?

zephyreks ,

Your comment is about 5G. Did you even read it?

fedfedfedd ,

What point are you trying to make? Im talking about phones on 5G, and you start talking about 5G on different devices? My comment is about the article? If you want to discuss something else you can make your own post. Its free.

zephyreks ,

Anyone here thinks 5G is overhyped? 4G in my country has the same speed as 5G in China. Seems dumb to upgrade to an inferior product.

Most people here dont even care about 5G when they reach 150mbps on 4G.

Would you like to point out the word “phone” for the class to see?

fedfedfedd ,

Its not an debate. I wasnt talking about other devices, you just misread it. Easy as that just move on.

zephyreks ,

Sure, just as soon as you point out the word “phone”.

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