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frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

Basically about austerity from what I am seeing: standardmedia.co.ke/…/what-ruto-must-do-to-keep-a…

capitalfm.co.ke/…/malema-backs-anti-finance-demos…

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Except for Cowboy Cerrone. No chin on him at all heh.

If you're thinking about something and reach a conclusion that's super outside the mainstream, you could be right, but also could mean you should reinspect your assumptions.

I saw a post on lemmy about how we could prevent 133 holocausts by promoting animal rights and veganism. The article opened by doing some math about how many dogs you could torture and kill in order to be equivalent to taking a human life, and then how many animals humans kill, and concluded that we’re committing holocaust...

frightful_hobgoblin ,

The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class.

When people speak of the ideas that revolutionise society, they do but express that fact that within the old society the elements of a new one have been created, and that the dissolution of the old ideas keeps even pace with the dissolution of the old conditions of existence.

When the ancient world was in its last throes, the ancient religions were overcome by Christianity. When Christian ideas succumbed in the 18th century to rationalist ideas, feudal society fought its death battle with the then revolutionary bourgeoisie. The ideas of religious liberty and freedom of conscience merely gave expression to the sway of free competition within the domain of knowledge.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Nice try coppet

frightful_hobgoblin ,

No, you’d be bad. What are you not getting?

frightful_hobgoblin ,

what a good little bit of art

frightful_hobgoblin ,

It’s GPT-4 to tell the truth.

Not sure it’ll do the tasks you list at the start but it’s the front runner.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

So original

Why do the vast majority of romantic comedies depict people who are wealthy?

My wife has been on a rom-com binge over the last year or so and something I’ve noticed when I’m vaguely paying attention or walking past is that almost every single rom-com features people who are, at the very least, middle to upper-middle class. These characters all live in gigantic houses/apartments, have beautifully...

frightful_hobgoblin ,

I was complaining about this on !noyank

About 10% of pop culture stories, maybe more, are about billionaires. Are 10% of people billionaires?

And even in a medieval fantasy settings, it’s about gold-decked kings: the billionaires of the setting.

It’s to perpetuate a class bias.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

I mean, if the bias was based on skin-colour or sex, would you feel differently about it?

frightful_hobgoblin ,

How much general legitimacy does the regime have there? Do people not want to overthrow/replace it by this point?

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Cool story

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Why is there something instead of nothing

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Well Liebniz said it’s because of a necessary being bearing the reason for its existence within itself, if that helps.

frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

No, because it’s circular logic.

It is, and that’s inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the ‘uncaused caused’ or the ‘first mover’. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you’ve got an infinite regress. So you’re trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz’s choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然

There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does

Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a ‘reason’, unlike everything else in conditioned existence.

to exist before it does

You’re assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz’s God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress.

and no evidence that one does in the real world.

Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing?

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

Please subscribe to !noyank and contribute

There is is

frightful_hobgoblin ,

But at what cost???

frightful_hobgoblin ,

It’s valid to have posts slagging an unpopular politician.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Ok Biden-lover

Help me pls, Debian 12 is stuck at boot forever after using Windows on dual boot

Edit: solved. Sorry guys, it was something silly. Instead of clicking shutdown on windows I just hard pressed the off button for some seconds on the laptop. So I booted back on windows and let it shutdown normally and then Debian was able to boot again. Hehe...

frightful_hobgoblin ,

stackexchange will probably give you a better answer than lemmy (that’s me trying to be helpful with good advice)

frightful_hobgoblin ,

I did my 333rd recently, the post of Choronzon.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

cringe

Am I the only one preferring low quality media over high quality one?

I have a very slow Internet connection (5 Mbps down, and even less for upload). Given that, I always download movies at 720p, since they have low file size, which means I can download them more quickly. Also, I don’t notice much of a difference between 1080p and 720p. As for 4K, because I don’t have a screen that can display...

frightful_hobgoblin ,

720 isn’t low quality

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Boycott Israel

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Came here to say it.

The heroic inventor story is archaic.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Boycott Waze, Wix, HP, Unilever (and their many subsidiaries), Cif, Coca-Cola, Colman’s, Danone, Dell, Domino’s, Elle, McDonald’s, Monster Energy drinks, Nescafé/Nestlé, Paypal, Pret-a-Manger, Reebok, Starbuck’s, Sun (the laundry detergent)

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Personally, I am excited about the field of Social Computing, it is still at its infancy and has a lot of potential. The main idea is to create alogirthms based on human interactions that solve real world problems. A few questions one may ask include: How misinformation is being spread, and what is the optimal way to fight it? How do we fight corruption and authoriative power? These questions have been approached by a lot of fields, but creating algorithms and proving their effectiveness requires a deep understanding of computer science.

I’m not a pessimistic person (I’m neutral), but the sinister implications are obvious.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

In the end, I believe the question is who is more powerful, a few people with a lot of money, or a lot of people with little money?

Coördination is easier for the former.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Marriage and sex decline when societies adopt smartphones and the digital craze.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

craft.co/waze/locations - it’s headquartered in Tel Aviv. Boycott it.

“The modern economy is very global and interconnected” is a cliché - too vague and obvious to guide action. Boycott Israeli companies. Waze is an Israeli company.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Maybe some horrible massacre happened there once, but that’s like the heart of 1948 Israel, not some illegal settlement in the West Bank.

So people reading this are aware: the boycott movement is not just about boycotting goods from the occupied territories: it’s about the whole of Israel.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

masjidalaqsa.com/boycott/waze-israel-bds

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Name one and I’ll disporve it.

Diarmait mac Cerbaill

frightful_hobgoblin ,

There was a Paul that lived in Midwest America Is that proof he had a big blue ox?

I do not understand.

Like, we have that elusive physical evidence that 6,000 of Sparticus’ followers were crucified…

Go on then. Show us the evidence.

There’s a pretty good chance at least one of those guys was named Jesus too mate, it was a pretty common name

Not all the texts use that name. Some say Christus or Chrestus, ha-Notzri, Yeshu, ben Stada or ben Pandera.

frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

Right. I think we’re in agreement. There was a historical Diarmait. There was a historical Jesus. We know this from textual sources dated a little later than the historical figures.

His life was written about while it happened in the Irish Annals…

We have no Irish texts as old as Diarmait’s reign. CELT date the Orgguin trí mac Diarmata Mic Cerbaill “Created: Possibly in the Old Irish period. Date range: 700–900?” So we rely on things written 100+ years after the historical figure. And that’s referring to when it was originally written; it’s know from later transcriptions; the oldest physical Irish manuscript we have (Lebor na hUidre) is around 1100. So how do we know there was a historical Diarmait?

In the case of Yeshu the Nazarene, it’s similar, though some texts are a little nearer his historical period than in Diarmait’s case.

frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

I get it man

You don’t

you have “faith”

I don’t.

that’s not evidence

The evidence we’re talking about is the textual references in Pliny etc.

Say we have a textual reference like this: “In the year of the consulship of Caius Vipstanus and Caius Fonteius, Nero deferred no more a long meditated crime. Length of power had matured his daring, and his passion for Poppaea daily grew more ardent.”… would you say that a person called Caius Vipstanus existed from that evidence?

I think we are in agreement on the major points:

  1. “There’s a Jesus that got crucified, but no mention about him being able to perform miracles”
  2. We know this from somewhat later annals. The texts are closer in the timeline to the historical figure than in the case of Diarmait mac Cerbaill, and are more numerous.
  3. We share a general contempt for Christians and Christianity.
frightful_hobgoblin ,

What are you driving at bringing up the semantics of ‘contemporary’??

The only time that word was used was when you said (incorrectly), “That is contemporary literary evidence of his existence.” – the annals are centuries after the 6th-century reign of Diarmait at Tara. We don’t have any 6th-century manuscripts. The situation in the Roman Empire is quite a bit better, lots of texts.

Would you say that a person called Caius Vipstanus existed because Tacitus mentioned him in his annals a few decades later? Isn’t that valid inference from the text?

frightful_hobgoblin ,

In terms of literary evidence there is exactly 1 historian who is roughly contemporary and mentions Jesus

Misinformation.

There’s Tacitus’s Annals (year 117), Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews (93-94), Mara bar Serapion’s letter to his son.

Seutonius (Lives of the Twelve Cæsars) and Pliny wrote about the conflict between the Romans and the followers of Christ (or Chrestus) around that era.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

There were a lot of people that shared that name, and a lot of people were crucified at that time.

That implies each source says: “A man called Jesus was crucified”. The article you provided (if you read it) should have told you otherwise.

  • Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, year 93-94: “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”
  • Tacitus’s Annals, year 117: Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus
frightful_hobgoblin ,

A literature search. The web is full of rubbish.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

They very likely was someone named Jesus, because there were many people with that name.

The second one doesn’t use that name. Read the sources.

There’s 0 evidence or recorded documentation that a resurrection ever happened. That’s the big one.

Well of course, but that’s common sense. Dead people stay dead as a rule.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

There’s 0 evidence or recorded documentation that a resurrection ever happened. That’s the big one.

The question in question was “Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?”

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Well that’s an entirely different question. Entirely different field.

“the son of God, who was crucified and rose again on the third day” is for silly Christians.

The question under discussion here is about Roman-era history.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

The title of this post is asking about “Jesus Christ,” which we all know to mean the son of God and the guy that resurrected after 3 days.

lol no… this thread is not talking about anything like that hahaha. Read it.

Obviously people don’t come back from the dead or transform into cheddar cheese; we don’t need historical research to tell us that.

His given name was יֵשׁוּעַ‎ or Yeshua, which is Jesus in one speech-type, عيسى (ʿIsà) in another, as well as a lot of other variants.

‘Christus’ in Latin seems to refer to the same person; Tacitus wrote “called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus”

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Agreed.

frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

What do you think of what Ehrman says here at 1h45m25s that the mythicist theory isn’t taken seriously by the academy because it’s mostly pushed by people who seem eager to dunk on religion.

frightful_hobgoblin , (edited )

The new testament stories were written well over a hundred years after

Not right.

These were written 20 to 30 years after: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle (“Fourteen of the 27 books in the New Testament have traditionally been attributed to Paul. Seven of the Pauline epistles are undisputed by scholars as being authentic, with varying degrees of argument about the remainder.”) It would be more like someone writing about this now, which I do remember.

Gospel of Mark is dated to around the year 70

Book of Revelation around 81-96

The canonical gospels are the four which appear in the New Testament of the Bible. They were probably written between AD 66 and 110. — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel

The New Oxford Annotated Bible claims, “Scholars generally agree that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus. They thus do not present eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus’s life and teaching.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

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