Hello folks! I created the MetalVinyl a few days ago and was just having a look on some other instances (I am on lemmy world and the sub was also created there - I believe?). Weirdly if I head over to lemm.ee or beehaw.org and try to find it, it’s not showing up but I can see other subs from lemmy.world? Did I do anything...
You have to search for it with its full name on the target instance, for example !metalvinyl (not sure it’s the correct handle, fix the name yourself if it isn’t). That way the instance in question learns it exists. And after someone subscribes, it starts pulling the content regularly.
i had mine up for about a week, been running lcs for quite a few days, and both actively use other spaces (like this one) and post a lot in the ones on my instance. currently i’m sitting at 4.5 GB for pictrs (not a typo, that’s what the picture server is called), 2.3 GB for the postgres database, and 5.4 GB for docker. total disk usage is about 14 GB for now, i expect it to grow in the future but idk yet how fast it will be. people are reporting about 100 MB a day since the reddit migration, and tbh that might check out.
if you’re hosting it on your own nas you’re probably gonna be fine space-wise. i’d just recommend to layer a vpn and/or a cache in-between – i don’t know exactly how to do this, i went straight for the cloud route, but i have seen people in !selfhosted doing that, and the lemmy admin matrix chat is nice too.
just fyi, your instance does have to be reachable on a domain if you want federation to work. also, keep everything you can on the defaults and only change things one by one, the error messages are not very helpful. i spent like a day trying to debug why lemmy wasn’t starting up at first, turns out i just had an instance name longer than 20 characters.
With the many Reddit style shitposts appearing, I’m wondering if there’s a way for users to block certain communities or servers. Sync for Reddit made doing this easy -blocking the noise was the only reason I could use Reddit....
You can’t do it in wefwef, but for Lemmy backed instances if you go in to your settings link under your account, there’s a tab for “Blocks” in which you can block specific users and communities. You can’t block instances however. Basically you have to remember the name of the community and search for it there.
I agree a block button on the community would be better but at least there is some method for blocking.
You can’t do it in wefwef, but for Lemmy backed instances if you go in to your settings link under your account, there’s a tab for “Blocks” in which you can block specific users and communities. You can’t block instances however. Basically you have to remember the name of the community and search for it there.
I agree a block button on the community would be better but at least there is some method for blocking.
We have Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, I think even yiffit.net. If I log in using wefwef it asks me where I want to login. And when I make a new account using another instance, it says ”… Lemmy is federated, so you can interact with everything on lemmy.ml even if you’re registered on a different instance.“ So if...
The analogy isn't meant to reflect who receives the message, but how communication interacts.
Each lemmy/federated instance uses a prefix and a suffix to create a name. So for example, I'm [email protected] here, where Melpomene is me and kbin.social is where I reside. This is similar to email because it works similarly.... I might be Melpomene on Gmail, but my actual user name reflects both me (Melpomene) and the email instance I call home (gmail.com.)
If you want a specific analogy to messaging, though... when you send a message to a lemmy community, you're basically responding to a distribution list. [email protected] is akin a distribution list, the distribution list is (technically) visible to anyone on the instance, so anyone can see the message. If you're on a federated instance that allows private messages, though, sending to an individual user would still function like email in that only the person messaged would see it.
Edit: The comparison is not exact, granted. It's meant to de-mystify the prefix/suffix format of federation, not to offer a one to one comparison to email.
Oh so it’s got to do with instance and not the apps? I didn’t think that was the case since I could see those names in some apps and not the others. Must have been in different instances then.
So even if we’re from different instances our handles will still show up if we post and delete comments in other instances that keep the handles visible?
Edit: just did a test under this comment and I still see my handle.
So, just finished reading an article on WaPo about fireflies/lightening bugs and got me thinking further... Car headlights suck. They mess up our night vision when we pass another dickhead running white/blue lights. We mess up the habit(at) of many animals/bugs. So why not red lights? My hiking/camping headlamp has a red light...
There are two things being discussed here. The first is the original suggestion of the account you'd log into and use as a server for pulling information. The other some have mentioned is the location of communities. They both share similar problems in an overloaded or defunct instance situation, but need different solutions.
For the account I think just one main thing needs developing, and that's the ability to share a profile across different logins. So you can have two or three different logins, but you have the same settings and when people interact with you they see you as the same umbrella/main account. I'm not sure how this could work outside Lemmy, like kbin or even Mastodon without being part of the protocol itself, but maybe that's a long range idea. There's also the problem of name collision since there's enough accounts now that duplication is probably a thing. The choice right now is limited to just making accounts in a few places and see if things are better/same/worse there before you get too invested with customizing your stuff.
For instances - I had seen a suggestion of having a grouping ability between different instances that wanted to share or mirror each others content, basically an automated cross-posting. This would allow multiple instances so if one has some problem, the content still exists. There's lots of caveats with that I'm sure, but one of the laments from many Redditors is the loss of resources, and that really should be a high priority to make sure that content is both preserved and available. For now the best we can do is make communities in a few places and cross-post the more important things so more people read and respond to it.
Federated services are like email. Just like your email address isn’t just “whoisearth” it needs the @gmail.com at the end to be the exact one to reach you, same as in Lemmy, it’s your name plus your instance that matters.
I stated this many times in many communities, ever since the migration started over 3, 4 weeks ago, change the find an instance sites to keep a note to tell users NOT to register on the most populated instances, the ones at the top, but to find an instance that is a lot less populated. But, I guess no one actually took that seriously or it didn’t get through, IDK.
sh.itjust.works was pretty empty a month ago, but the name is catchy and it got swarmed over the last month… not as much as lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but still. Now I recommend vlemmy.net or feddit.nl.
What issues have you specifically noticed with this?
The issue I've noticed first and foremost is that there is more than one identically named group. Don't tell me that [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] are different communities. They're identically named communities. I'd rather have as false positive of a gun user's instance with threads about rocket-propelled grenades, rather than having to go to each group to browse. Don't tell me to just use the "subscribed" view. That doesn't pick up everything in a topic, nor does it help me to find those - again, identically named - communities on other servers. Whenever a new server comes online with an RPG community, they'll be in their own corner. They can participate as foreigners with another group, but that's not theirs. There's no central place for hosting these communities. If there was a server set up just to host groups, and the rest were for users, that would make sense. I immediately grew tired, trying to find all of the communities related to my interests so I can subscribe to all. I did that back in the day, joining forums and setting up a personal homepage with frames. In theory anyone can join any group, but they have to find it first.
If devs and leaders of the ActivityPub community are going to continue pushing the idea that everyone can talk to everyone else, we absolutely need some form of community merging for identically-named communities. For instance, a kbin.social user should be able to subscribe to cooking and see posts from cooking@. , not just [email protected]. That's a UX issue just as much as a technical one.
I wasn't around this far back. Can you elaborate on this a bit? What's the issue with "having mail on three or four non-multiplexed BBSes" ?
Back in those days, BBS mail was less "email" and more "text stored on server". To get all of your mail from multiples, you had to connect to each of the servers in sequence, download your mail, and then read it offline and reply (any good BBS software would remember where itwas from, and offer to call back and send each message). Multiplexing meant that you could have a BBS in the NYC area, it would be able to contact and download from one in, say, PA or wherever, and they could each download threads and messages, aka federated content. The pain has been massively reduced over time, and I'm glad. My next point bounces off yours:
This I remember well. Sounds like you are trying to create an account on each instance and are constantly logging out of one and into the next to keep up on the latest posts and comments. This .. is not really the way to do it.
You're right, except in cases where I want a different psudonymity; my choice. In this case, I can't check for new posts in, continuing with the same example, rpg@. without checking the group from each federated server. Posts are neither mirrored nor transcluded. That's the point I'm getting at. I should be able to just open up m/rpg and have it cover all compatible groups.
I disagree with your latter point. kbin.social has hit a reasonable mass of users to have a strong local community and become a platform unto itself, running on kbin software. I'm not interested in a smaller community. I joined Reddit because it was the largest single-site community on the Web. I want the monolithic community, and I accept the costs that incurs, including ads or ad-first design. Right now, the fediverse is just fragments at the foot of the tower of Babel, each speaking a separate tongue, even if some are intelligible to others.
I don't care about the difference between Mastodo, kbin, & Lemmy. They're web software which are trying to replace a monolith, and have seen imited success. I don't care about political leanings. I'm talking about a UX issue. If you want to defed from a site, and receive no more content, then so be it, that's the right of an Admin.
There's still chaos in terms of instances and softwares. Until we all settle on one software that does the job, and until we have a way to have a single community again, Reddit remains the superior option. There is only one r/RPG, it works on Highlander rules - there can be only one. How many groups in the Fediverse named m/RPG or c/RPG are there? Why must each user be forced to answer that question?
That's what would fix things for me; make the federation 100% behind-the-curtain so that I don't have to think about it. I don't care about the backend, I'm not hosting, the value to me is ad views only, not cash. I'd argue a solid 80% of users on corp-owned social media wouldn't understand even if you simplify it. The fediverse/threadiverse is not a drop-in replacement for Reddit. Until it is, I'll keep one foot in spez's yard. If Meta's Threads product does become an ActivityPub community and solves this issue, I'll move there
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Genuinely I don't understand the issue? You can search the Fediverse from one instance using the Magazines tab in Kbin to find places to sub, or sub to communities you find in all feed etc? Is the issue to do with the duplication of communities at present and lack of clarity which ones are more active?
For me at least the federated set up works well, but I need more visibility of total community sizes when searching Magazines. The search shows me the number of users subbed from this instance, where as I'd also like to know the total number of users subbed across the fediverse to guage how big that community is overall.
Also as you mention, it would be good to see duplicate communities merged across instances - but some of that is the reddit migration with 1000s of new users creating the communities with the same name on multiple instances in a short amount of time. Consolidation will take time (and sometimes there may be a good reason to have two separate communities with the same name) but long term there does need to be tools to allow communities to migrate base from one instance to another or merge; otherwise there is a risk a community could die if an instance falls over.
But I'm not switching between instances - I was initially and realised it was pointless. I have chosen to be on 2 instances - Kbin.social and Feddit.uk, deliberately to keep my UK and generic feed separate for now, and also to have a Kbin and Lemmy experience. I personally strongly favour Kbin at the moment. I don't get the analogy of tabbed browsing or separate forums; you can see the whole fediverse from one instance (barring defederated instance like Beehaw). What am I missing?
True, and this is also a side effect of the mass migration from reddit. People have created multiple versions of the same community name on different instances. Things will consolidate over time, and people will navigate to the most active community (or communities).
But the other aspect of the fediverse is you can have more than one community with the same name; thats a benefit. Like why should there be only 1 "PCGaming"; different groups of users might want to form their own community which approaches the matter in their preferred way. So you could have 2, 3, or many different communities reflecting different ethoses, based on different instances. That's not a bad thing, but might be hard for people to get used to initially coming from the monolithic approach on Reddit.
The issue I've noticed first and foremost is that there is more than one identically named group. Don't tell me that [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] are different communities. They're identically named communities.
Since lemmy terms a "community" as the same thing as a kbin magazine, but community can also have a more expansive meaning, for clarity I will refer to lemmy magazines and use community in it's more expansive scope.
[email protected] isn't a real thing obviously but is your standing for an rpg magazine on any other instance.
[email protected] and [email protected] appear to be two separate magazines, hosted on two difference instances, and owned and moderated by two separate groups of people, but about the same topic - role playing games. If you ignore the instance part of the name, then they have identical names - which makes sense because they cover the same topic.
There is a UX issue on kbin where the instance part of the name is hidden, but there are also kbin styles that fix this.
Getting fixated on the identical name part is getting hung up over a minor technicality. Remember that reddit has a similar issue with very similarly named subs, where you might have /r/X and then /r/TrueX and /r/XOriginal - something that was encouraged by reddit's own policy, where instead of getting involved with a mod of a sub they would just encourage you to make your own sub.
I'd rather have as false positive of a gun user's instance with threads about rocket-propelled grenades, rather than having to go to each group to browse
I think this is legitimate. This was solved on reddit with multireddits but kbin doesn't have an equivalent yet.
If devs and leaders of the ActivityPub community are going to continue pushing the idea that everyone can talk to everyone else, we absolutely need some form of community merging for identically-named communities. For instance, a kbin.social user should be able to subscribe to cooking and see posts from cooking@. , not just [email protected]. That's a UX issue just as much as a technical one.
Good point. Even if kbin/lemmy don't support it, maybe we can get multimagazines working first at say an app level (like in Artemis).
Don't tell me to just use the "subscribed" view. That doesn't pick up everything in a topic, nor does it help me to find those - again, identically named - communities on other servers.
I wouldn't as that's not what that view is for. You want to view a multimagazine that covers a given topic like rpg rather than see your own subscriptions.
Whenever a new server comes online with an RPG community, they'll be in their own corner.
They can participate as foreigners with another group, but that's not theirs.
They can go as far as to mod magazines in another instance. How are they thus foreigners? This is the point of federation - that equal standing to view, post, contribute, moderate, etc across instances.
If there was a server set up just to host groups, and the rest were for users, that would make sense.
From a centralized, non-federated point of view.
There's no central place for hosting these communities.
Because there is no need for that. I'd point to the example of r/blind - they continue to maintain their sub on reddit but officially the community is also available on their own lemmy instance as well as through their own website. One community, but not centralized anywhere.
I did that back in the day, joining forums and setting up a personal homepage with frames. In theory anyone can join any group, but they have to find it first.
With federation, you don't have to go that far. Communicating across instances works automatically and you only need one account to do so, as opposed to creating a new account on each forum.
I immediately grew tired, trying to find all of the communities related to my interests so I can subscribe to all.
I'd recommend you check out some of the older posts on @RedditMIgration as there are lots of links to community (not magazine but community in the broader sense) run websites that try to solve this by listing all of the magazines on instances.
This is probably simpler and more fruitful than searching manually.
To get all of your mail from multiples, you had to connect to each of the servers in sequence, download your mail, and then read it offline and reply
Multiplexing meant that you could have a BBS in the NYC area, it would be able to contact and download from one in, say, PA or wherever, and they could each download threads and messages, aka federated content.
Then I'd argue that the fediverse looks more like the multiplexed BBS. I mean, federated is literally in the name. We don't have the pain that comes from using non-multiplexed BBSes here.
You're right, except in cases where I want a different psudonymity; my choice.
No, I'm still right in this case. Your alts can still take advantage of federation and subscribe to magazines on other instances and reply and so forth.
In this case, I can't check for new posts in, continuing with the same example, rpg@. without checking the group from each federated server.
No, not true. That also applies in the "original" case (where you only have one account in the fediverse). This is the multimagazine/multireddit thing already touched upon above. That's legit, but let's assume for the sake of argument these three points: 1) there is a working version of Artemis (the kbin app), 2) it supports multimagazines, 3) there's a json format from the websites that list magazines that can be imported into Artemis to automatically generate a multimagazine for the user that's local to the smartphone.
The above problem is solved, as you can use that Artemis, passing it the magazing listing website, and get a multimagazine set up with all the different RPG magazines. Maybe Artemis even supports optionally autoreloading so as new RPG magazines are setup (either in new instances, or someone makes a /m/TrueRPG on an instance that already has /m/rpg) your multimagazine is automatically updated.
Posts are neither mirrored nor transcluded.
They are to the instances. Some people are going farther and trying to mirror articles between different magazines using bots. However, I kind of feel the multimagazine feature would be enough to check this box.
That's the point I'm getting at. I should be able to just open up m/rpg and have it cover all compatible groups.
We're not there yet, but it's also not too far off.
That said, I find your view that multimagazines are essential to be interesting. I only first heard about multireddits only after I'd permanently parted ways with reddit.
There's still chaos in terms of instances and softwares.
This is actually a good thing. Monoculture is bad, diversity is good.
Until we all settle on one software that does the job, and until we have a way to have a single community again,
Too easy for a single disease to wipe things out in that case.
Reddit remains the superior option
Where one can be permabanned at random, with a non-functional appeals process where it's virtually impossible to get ahold of an actual human? Where you can have the ownership of your sub that you spent years working on seized and taken away and handed over to someone else?
I'd argue that reddit has a different disease, and it's showing why both centralization and monoculture are bad (third party apps being killed off because they never supported anything but reddit itself is an example of the latter).
There is only one r/RPG, it works on Highlander rules - there can be only one.
You're kidding, right? How many subs in reddit have RPG in the name and actually broach the same topic? r/rpg_gamers , r/RPGdesign, r/TabletopRPG, r/StrateyRpg, r/RPGCreation, r/solorpgplay? This last one doesn't have rpg in the name, but - r/Solo_Roleplaying?
If you are really going to push that reddit only has one sub for the role playing game community, then I'm going to need you to explain to me in detail how each of the above subs is different from r/RPG and from each other, and why they are a separate community from any other sub with rpg in the name.
How many groups in the Fediverse named m/RPG or c/RPG are there? Why must each user be forced to answer that question?
Dunno, but how many subs in reddit that have rpg in the name are there? Why must each redditor be forced to answer that question? (The answer to the second is they don't need to answer that question at all - either on reddit or on the fediverse.)
As Lemmy starts maturing, there starts being so many communities out there that it’s pretty hard to keep track. I’ve been browsing for about a month now, here’s a list of popular communities I’ve subscribed to that others would find interesting!...
Definitely a learning curve. At least sort of figured out finally how to join communities. What’s sort of confusing for me now is communities with same names but different instances (is that the right word?). Then I have check back to see whether I have joined it or is it a different one. This part is super confusing for me at present because I came across many such instances.
I have to check this… As that would the best way to have control of the account without risking that the instance were I am suddenly dissapears although I guess I need to setup cloudfare or something on my domain to avoid direct attacks to my dedicated server I guess as the instance where I am would be public to other users.
That and some domain provider with privacy protection which most have nowadays so my name and address isn’t public directly on my domain info.
And are usernames unique across instances or can anyone copy anyone else’s username by signing up somewhere else with the same name or just making a new instance?
I have an account on .world but lemm.ee is a great name and the admin who runs the instance sounds like a cool guy. Plus .world is already way overloaded so I was looking for another instance.
I have an account on .world but lemm.ee is a great name and the admin who runs the instance sounds like a cool guy. Plus .world is already way overloaded so I was looking for another instance.
I also chose mine because the name (haha funny ArchLinux meme - iusearchlinux.fyi) . But also because it didn’t sound like a default instance.
Main reason is, you gotta spread the load, the original purpose of federation is to share the costs so we can keep things affordable and prevent enshittification - not to dump it all on one instance, otherwise we might as well just turn Lemmy into a monolithic structure like Reddit, like YouTube, like Facebook, like Instagram, like Twitter and so on and so forth. We don’t want to outgrow donation funding. And we don’t want to make one instance “too big to block” lest it starts to enshittify or get greedy and gain too much power over the rest.
In my opinion, no instance should ever be considered the “default” of any federated platform.
Yet another PWA Lemmy client, need name suggestions! (youtube.com)
cross-posted from: zemmy.cc/post/79525...
A really silly question about lemmy instances I believe
Hello folks! I created the MetalVinyl a few days ago and was just having a look on some other instances (I am on lemmy world and the sub was also created there - I believe?). Weirdly if I head over to lemm.ee or beehaw.org and try to find it, it’s not showing up but I can see other subs from lemmy.world? Did I do anything...
Lemmy.world has grown by about 66.6% since reddit's API shutdown (lemmy.world)
Lemmy.world grew from about 51k users when third-party reddit apps started to shut down to about 84.8k users at the time of this post....
Blocking communities
With the many Reddit style shitposts appearing, I’m wondering if there’s a way for users to block certain communities or servers. Sync for Reddit made doing this easy -blocking the noise was the only reason I could use Reddit....
What’s the difference between all those instances?
We have Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, I think even yiffit.net. If I log in using wefwef it asks me where I want to login. And when I make a new account using another instance, it says ”… Lemmy is federated, so you can interact with everything on lemmy.ml even if you’re registered on a different instance.“ So if...
YSK: On Lemmy the title, URL, and content of a post are all editable after posting.
Why YSK: On reddit only the body was editable, so by knowing this you won’t need to delete or resubmit due to wrong URL, typo, etc.
Car Headlights - Why not red? (kbin.social)
So, just finished reading an article on WaPo about fireflies/lightening bugs and got me thinking further... Car headlights suck. They mess up our night vision when we pass another dickhead running white/blue lights. We mess up the habit(at) of many animals/bugs. So why not red lights? My hiking/camping headlamp has a red light...
Spread Out: How To Speed Up Lemmy (lemmy.fediverse.observer)
There are many lemmy instances in the world, but currently most people are using lemmy.world. This is why everything has gotten so slow....
ysk - your account doesn't exist on other instances and communities don't overlap
User accounts are fragmented and just because you signed on at lemmy.world doesn’t mean your account exists on lemmy.ca....
This website holy shit
This site feels extremely broken, almost unusable. I take it they wanted to release something in time to catch all the Reddit refugees
People in /r/redditalternatives are talking about a "Reddit 2.0" What website would fill that role? (kbin.social)
On Reddit at reddit.com/r/redditalternatives, people are talking about a "Reddit 2.0." What do you suggest?
List of popular communities you should visit!
As Lemmy starts maturing, there starts being so many communities out there that it’s pretty hard to keep track. I’ve been browsing for about a month now, here’s a list of popular communities I’ve subscribed to that others would find interesting!...
Lemmy resembles the old reddit experience so well that they even emulate the old reddit server performance
How did Lemmy.world become more popular than Lemmy.ml?
I don’t understand how Lemmy.world developers managed to surpass both Lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org instances in user activity.