I didn’t come to a new service just to see it get taken over by the corporate beasts who ruined the internet in general, and I am sure as hell am not going to use an instance that doesn’t care about its users....
I think you're probably best shutting "your" subs and moving anyway - if you want to dictate how a server runs, you're probably better off hosting your own instance. I'm not sure we need people in the fediverse who thinks a moderator owns a community - it's just the other extreme from Reddit's attitude that they own a community.
I happen to agree with defederating, but I don't like threats and the idea of blackmail to a community.
Lemmy.ml also has a lemmygrad instance that is spamming propaganda and disinformation in all the news / politics subs. The !worldnews here is just about useless since it’s 75% lemmygrad users and their alts spamming nonsense.
We should implement this as whenever I wish to browse (for example) [email protected] I have to go to there, and whenever I wish to browse [email protected] I have to go there. Would it be possible to implement it in kbin/lemmy's code to make it easier to browse all?
I feel like this is a big thing that Lemmy needs quite soon. Lemmy system makes things more fragmented than in reddit for instance, so it would be great to combat this a bit. Sooner rather than later.
Something like when you go to a community there would be a checkmark that would also include posts from a list of communities curated by the mods of the community (or creator). Then when subscribing you would have this list of communities with checkmarks next to them to and being asked “want to sub to these communities as well?” and the user can un-tick some if they want to. Then later they can add their own communities to it should they choose to.
It’s much worse in Lemmy due its “federative” nature. For example, for “Dungeons&Dragons” - in reddit you have 9 subs in search, 2 of them are memes-related, 3 are “general” ones, 2 for DnD5e, 1 for DnD3.5 and 1 for UK people. They have clear distinction at least in their names, and sometimes have separate “theme”, like the one for 3.5 edition. In lemmy we already have 14, most of them have same name, literally letter to letter. And don’t forget that lemmy’s userbase is ~6000+ times less than reddit. People just continue to create new instances and same comminities, over and over.
Theoretically it shows the communities with the highest subscriber count first.
Right now tho it seems, that Lemmy is bad at fetching the real subscriber counts of other instances. For example I get this result, when searching for Linux on this account right now.
Every sub-count besides the one of my home-instance is terribly outdated, thus it favors the home-instance community. This is probably not the intent of the developers tho.
Not gonna go there at this point though. Like I said, he was a good admin up to this point. Just scary there’s complete radio silence. Like, what the heck happened lol.
I really liked that instance. I like my .one instance. But I don’t mind re-subbing etc. I just want access to the fediverse and prefer solid, but smaller instances, with blocking as a last resort. I’ll be the first to say, I want my downvote button, I’m the type of user that likes to see and compare karma, but none of that matters to the point where all is lost if I have to setup a new user. I’m also the type of user that formats my hard drive once a year to start fresh lol.
I need something like that in my life. A lot of them can be somewhat reactionary and sometimes a little right wing. Not always completely but I think sometimes it can get weird.
By Asians do you mean Asian Americans or Asian Asians (lol)? I know my country’s subreddit and its sister subs moved to their own specific instance and racial politics is still very much prominent in our country.
So I’ve got my own instance running, and I’m stumped as how to go about finding new communities if it only shows communities I’m already subscribed too....
Right now, the fediverse is not very user-friendly for non-tech people.
I mean, there’s instances de-federating from each other, weird federation sync anomalies still going on between instances, users have to create and maintain multiple user accounts on multiple instances if those instances have defederated each other, even the ‘official’ jerboa app for lemmy shits itself if you try and connect in to an instance that’s one sub-dot version lower than what it was built for - plus it crashes on 1/3 of my android devices, some of the best lemmy apps have been removed from app stores due to non-compliance with app store terms and have to be installed manually from github. It’s all still very DIY right now instead of plug-and-play…and if lemmy is to appeal to anyone other than tech nerds, it needs to become much more user friendly and much more plug-and-play.
I could never be confused as someone whose good with tech. I have a job where knowing basic excel makes you the resident tech genius we all go to for help. I can confirm that I do find lemmy complicated.
It was intimidating to pick an instance (and everyone aggressively insisting it “doesn’t matter what instance you join because -long droning tech speech-” only made it worse).
This is numbered cause I can’t figure out how to do bullet points on mobile…that is how out of place on lemmy I am
I wish the default was all and not my local instance for my home screen. That makes it harder and more complicated for me to navigate around or see popular posts. Oh shit I think I just figured out how to do italics!!!
I’m mostly just here because I like the cozy community feeling. That’s enough for me to put up with stumbling around the site next to blind just clicking on stuff and hoping for the best (I accidently ended up scrolling a sub that was all in Germany yesterday, no idea how I got there)…but I don’t blame most non-tech people for not wanting to do that. To get most people you’d need to dumb the “fediverse” down to the point most current users would be furious and start talking about enshitification again.
Yep, that is literally me. I am not particularly techy or whatever and I came here because RiF shut down and the maker said they would be on lemmy.world. i had no idea what that meant but i made it here.
Much googling was involved and after i made like 4 accounts on different instances, bumbled around, settled down and learned to subscribe to stuff, i subbed to communities specifically about the fediverse and finding new communities. I also tried like 3 different apps and aettled on Liftoff so far.
I still havent figured out how to reliably see mastodon or kbin stuff or if i even want to.
I can see how most people wouldn’t bother and have no idea why any of this even matters. I still find reddit much easier to use (and important for ongoing world events like the war in ukraine, where it isnt about what we can aggregate but where posters from that conflict put their content originally, a huge amount gets posted directly to reddit and they dont have time to sit around debating the finer points of internet usage), but philisophically i understand why the fediverse is important.
Also learning sbout the concept of defederation (as it regarded Beehaw) was a brainmelter and i felt like i was missing out on “content” be ause of how big it was. My other issue was around not undersranding who runs all these instances and quite frankly having no reason to trust they wouldnt do some crazy stuff themselves.
Someone gives you a link, or you find it in search
You click on the link, because that’s what you do with links
It takes you to what you are looking for, but it says you have to log in to comment or vote
You log in so you can comment or vote
The UX for interacting with off-instance subs is abysmal. What is even worse is that as far as I can tell, there is no way to link a post or comment that is instance relative / instance independent.
The talk about “enshittification” made me think of the very email we use for the instances we signed up and instantly, it paints a grim picture. One of my account used gmail to sign up. Some proton mail. It reminds me that these too are companies beholden to their shareholders....
A problem many have realized is that there are many /tech, /gaming etc. communities in different instances/servers. There is already https://fediverse.observer/ , so I think it wouldn't be too hard to make a service that periodically roams the fediverse, checks for example the last 100,000 submissions of each (or top 100 active...
What I’m looking for is lists or collections that I can create or the admin of the instance creates that combines common topics into a digest of subs. Then I just browse one digest on a topic rather than having to go through each separately.
Having Kbin and Lemmy instances use a common catalog of topic identifiers so they can be easily coalesced would be helpful, too.
She’s almost 70, spend all day watching q-anon style of videos (but in Spanish) and every day she’s anguished about something new, last week was asking us to start digging a nuclear shelter because Russia was dropped a nuclear bomb over Ukraine. Before that she was begging us to install reinforced doors because the...
In googles settings you can turn off watch history and nuke whats there, which should affect recommendations to a degree. I recommend you export her youtube subscriptions to people she likes (that arent qanon), set up an account on an invidious instance, and import those subs. This has the benefit of no ads and no tracking/algorithm making. The recommendations can be turned off too I think. Freetube for desktop and newpipe for andrioid are great 3rd party youtube scrapers. The youtube subs can also be imported to a RSS feed client.
Your argument does not gain validity by adding irrelevant verbosity:
Federation ain’t doing great.
The linked issue has nothing to do with this script or lemmony.
Federated replication load scales with the number of instances multiplied by the number of communities they subscribe to.
That’s a hasty generalization that you just made up.
Server counts are growing at ~10x per month.
That’s great! I hope they keep growing!
The defaults of this script encourage single-user instances admins to bump their sub count ~70x from something like 100 communities to something more like 7000 communities.
Nobody is encouraging anyone to do anything.
Users of this script actually literally don’t understand how federation works. They think they’re proxying through to the upstream instance while they browse rather than getting firehosed with the entire lemmyverse by they’re asleep.
That single user asked a question and got berated by a jerk.
It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure out that global federation worker queues are not in great shape, or that a default that encourages single-user instance owners who have no idea what they’re doing to bump their sub count 70x isn’t helping the situation. If you think this is in my head I can’t help you. But I can help others understand that running this script with default settings is an awful and unnecessary idea.
You can help others understand what it is. That’s a great thing to do. It would be nice if you could do that without being a dick.
Uhh… if your script is subbing to 24k remote communities, those will continue to grow from then on, unless you start purging communities at some point. After one user subscribes to a community, all new content gets indexed and stored on your instance. Pict-rs can cache images short term (and eventually clear them out), but Postgres will start growing very quickly and never slow down until it fills up disks.
This is a cool idea. I was curious how subs work and it makes a lot more sense to me now that I’ve spent the time getting my instance setup and read a ton of docs. It feels weird trying to build your list and communities on your own account, while it also populates your instance’s All list. Feels like all of my interests are just out there flapping in the breeze lmao.
It is kinda cynical, but it’s also exactly what you’re seeing on Reddit. Some subs stopped protesting the moment Reddit said they will start removing moderators. Not because the sub wanted to stop protesting, but because the mods of that sub decided so. /r/pcgaming for instance is one of those subs. Another sub I frequently visited, /r/europe, pulled an entire charade of having users vote whether they want to protest or not, when protest won they asked for suggestions on how to protest, the top suggestion was moving the community which got no response from the mod team, instead they had another vote on whether to stop protesting or continue, and when continuing to protest won they gave some bullshit response and opened the sub. I never said moderators don’t care about their subs, I simply stated that some of them value their moderation of the sub above what the sub might want to do.
As for fracturing the community, I’d argue what Reddit did already fractured communities into people who want to protest and people who don’t. Fracturing was always going to happen, it’s only a matter of making it apparent or acting like it didn’t happen. Because of that you’re not going to move the entire community anyway. The community is fractured, some people just don’t want to move. From the mod perspective it should come down to understanding who are the people that actually make up the community you’re moderating and then doing what they want.
I don’t have an issue with mods who had the community vote and then opened the sub (or didn’t even participate in the protest in the place) if the community voted that way. I have an issue with the mods who effectively make those decisions themselves. If you’ve already decided to protest without discussing it with the community then IMO you can’t just decide to back out later, unless the community wants it. But that’s what some of the mods did. Decided to protest and then decided to stop. Then it is already in your self-interest because you’ve technically already abused your power to protest without communicating it with the community. If you then stop protesting you should also resign because it’s a breach of trust and someone who the community cannot trust shouldn’t stay as a mod. But the mods don’t do that because “who else is going to moderate?”, meaning they would much rather moderate a community that has no reason to trust them than have someone else moderate the community. How is that not putting their own interest of moderating over the interest of the community?
A few people have posted scripts in here and self hosted to automatically sub your instance to tons of remote communities. Text content from any indexed sub will be stored in your Postgres DB, but Pict-rs just caches remote images briefly.
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The developer wrote a good post on Reddit, which I will mainly quote here:...
If Lemmy.world doesn't defederate from Threads, Meta and all things Zuck within 24 hours, I will shut down my subs and leave.
I didn’t come to a new service just to see it get taken over by the corporate beasts who ruined the internet in general, and I am sure as hell am not going to use an instance that doesn’t care about its users....
Are we doing anything to prevent becoming Voat?
cross-posted from: lemm.ee/post/883288...
What do you think is the best solution to having the same named communities on different instances?
We should implement this as whenever I wish to browse (for example) [email protected] I have to go to there, and whenever I wish to browse [email protected] I have to go there. Would it be possible to implement it in kbin/lemmy's code to make it easier to browse all?
VLemmy AWOL Investigation
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Are there any communities or instances on this website for Asians or people of color to talk about racial politics?
I need something like that in my life. A lot of them can be somewhat reactionary and sometimes a little right wing. Not always completely but I think sometimes it can get weird.
How to find new communities to subscribe to?
So I’ve got my own instance running, and I’m stumped as how to go about finding new communities if it only shows communities I’m already subscribed too....
How should we deal with similarly named communities? (kbin.social)
Right now there are similarely named communities across the fediverse....
Does it feel like the fediverse is exclusively used by older tech nerds?
The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:...
why can't we have federated identity ?
Why can’t we have federated identity to login into fediverse instead of creating login for each instance?
What’s the fediverse’s answer to email? And everything else we use?
The talk about “enshittification” made me think of the very email we use for the instances we signed up and instantly, it paints a grim picture. One of my account used gmail to sign up. Some proton mail. It reminds me that these too are companies beholden to their shareholders....
Idea: Fediverse community/"subreddit" explorer (kbin.social)
A problem many have realized is that there are many /tech, /gaming etc. communities in different instances/servers. There is already https://fediverse.observer/ , so I think it wouldn't be too hard to make a service that periodically roams the fediverse, checks for example the last 100,000 submissions of each (or top 100 active...
How to de-radicalize my mom's youtube algorithm?
She’s almost 70, spend all day watching q-anon style of videos (but in Spanish) and every day she’s anguished about something new, last week was asking us to start digging a nuclear shelter because Russia was dropped a nuclear bomb over Ukraine. Before that she was begging us to install reinforced doors because the...
UPDATED: lemmony: A (better) better "All" browsing experience for small and large Lemmy instances (github.com)
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