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IHaveTwoCows ,

We all knew this was going to happen. In pre-covid days one of my clients- a well -known community pillar- was trying to lay the ground work for affordable housing projects. Everybody involved wanted a piece of the pie and the baseline for “affordable” was $3K/month. He scrapped the project, but had intended to do it on his own with me as project manager. Unfortunately, he was diagnosed with an aggressive brain cancer and died four months later. I’m still really pissed about it.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Feature not a bug

alienanimals ,

Did they not have insurance? Shouldn’t they have ample money to rebuild? I don’t understand.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Maybe you should read the article before you make stupid comments?

alienanimals ,

I’m so sorry my questions upset you. Have you tried not being butthurt?

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Your questions didn’t upset me; they’re answered plainly in the article you’re responding to.

The issue isn’t people who own the property not being able to rebuild, the issue is people who were renting there likely being unable to afford to rent there after it’s rebuilt, because the prices were previously low due to the age of the buildings, and it’s almost entirely not zoned for multi-family dwellings.

If you aren’t even going to read the article you’re talking about, how are we supposed to interpret your questions, if not as being stupid?

June ,

Don’t feed the trolls.

SlowNPC ,
@SlowNPC@kbin.social avatar

“Market prices for this new housing are likely to far exceed the already high prices that existed in Lahaina before the fire. For renters, the old housing stock that was destroyed provided opportunities for reasonable rents,”

I think this is the issue. Poor folks live in older buildings. Can't rebuild new old, run-down cheap neighborhoods.

IHaveTwoCows ,

Lahaina was a very old town with a lot of patchwork residences, back alley holes-in-the-wall, and grandfathered building code violations, all products of being a very remote land with limited access to materials and which didnt adopt the standard international building code until 2012. Lots of rental properties were backyard ohanas and platation-style and mid-century housing that had been subdivided and added onto, often without permits (because permitting is prohibitively expensive and takes months if not years to get approval on…this is a unique place that simply doesnt work like mainlanders think it does).

Not only can a lot of those residences not return because technically they never existed to begin with, but modern building codes would not allow them to be created again. The current market rate to build far exceeds the cost paid in the past.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

I swear there was one guy who predicted this in a post here like right after the fire happened. He even said it sounded crazy/conspiratorial and here we are.

cmbabul ,

I remember that and thinking he was probably right but hoped maybe something good would happen. That was foolish clearly

June ,

I mean, I don’t think the fire was set for this purpose, but this is exactly what a capitalist does in a situation like this.

It’s not conspiratorial to recognize how profiteers will see a tragedy as an opportunity.

knfrmity ,

Reminds me of the one time I came home with the book “Shock Doctrine” and my lolbertarian roommate loled and called it a conspiracy theory.

Lifecoach5000 ,

This is something to keep an eye on from this disaster. I hope some good policy and solutions get put in place to get proper housing back in place for the working locals.

freagle ,

In illegally occupied Hawaii, the goal has always been genocide of the indigenous. The UN needs to kick the USA out of Hawaii.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Lemmygrad users are very creative at finding unexpected and loopy new ways to criticize the American government.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Remind me what’s loopy about pointing out that US occupies Hawaii and genociding the native population there colonizer?

freagle ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onipaʻa_Peace_March

Maybe it’s crazy and unexpected to you because you’re ignorant. Maybe you’re ignorant because the Western education system produces useful idiots in droves.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Hawaii

Literally amended a law in 1993 to address the legality of the occupation and it’s still illegal.

Redhotkurt ,
@Redhotkurt@kbin.social avatar

Not like it matters since you're a tankie and all you want to do is sow discord by shitting on the "libs" and the west," but the rebuilding of Lahaina threatens to permanently displace everyone who lives there, and not just the 10% of the residents who happen to be indigenous. Do you know anything about the place you're using to push pro-Russian (and, ironically, its denial of genocide when committed by communist countries) propaganda? Lahaina is full of poor people, you ignorant fuck. The entire town of the 13,000 is not only poor, but JFC, they are now homeless and mostly jobless because the fire destroyed everything. That town is totally fucked, man, and you're using its suffering to rile up and disenfranchise more people for your pro-Russia bullshit? Fuck off.

Like I said, you don't give a fuck about the people who live there, and you certainly don't give a fuck about actual genocide - especially genocide that is happening right now. So get fucked and go post your fascist recruitment garbage elsewhere. And tell your Hexblyat buddies they can go eat shit too.

freagle ,

This is just too rich. The brain worms really got you.

Yeah the displacement of the poor on Hawaii is a function of capitalism. The only form of capitalism in the West is racialized capitalism. Racialized capitalism is built on illegal occupation, slave labor, genocide, and ecocide.

Stating facts about the history of Hawaii and the illegal occupation of it by the USA is not in any way pro-Russian. I have no idea what your ranting about with that.

Do I give a fuck about the white settlers living in occupied Hawaii? Not really. They are reaping what was sown.

mateomaui ,

This is dumb bullshit. stfu, idiot.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Empire lover spotted

mateomaui ,

This is why instances defederate from you morons. Blocked.

comrade_pibb ,
@comrade_pibb@hexbear.net avatar

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/8fe9ceba-dbc5-49c9-a278-860e72b25a0a.jpeg

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

you know what’s even better, go back to the reddit cesspool whence you came from

mateomaui ,

lol, no, bitch, get over it

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

lol yeah gtfo colonizer

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Blocked.

I don’t understanding this new thing of bragging about being fragile but in the tone of a tough guy

UlyssesT ,

It’s not new. It’s what freeze-gamer melodramatically do in local chat all the time in online games.

Chapo_is_Red ,

How’s this dumb? They’re correct. The US is illegally occupying Hawaii and persecutes the indigenous to that end.

I get the feeling you just like licking imperialists’ boots.

420blazeit69 ,

“All these Hexbear posters are so rude, they never say anything of substance, they just insult you”

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

shut the fuck up colonizer

mateomaui ,

That’s it, just line yourselves up for me, like shooting fish in a barrel.

UlyssesT ,

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/ded39c8b-4ffe-4d80-81ab-56667e7a4ba1.png

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Shooting fish in a barrel is when I make myself look like an ass for the whole internet to see

Lmao, okay

mateomaui ,

yep, just keep lining up for me

hexthismess ,
@hexthismess@hexbear.net avatar

Wow, what inciteful and valuable commentary you’ve added.

mateomaui ,

It’s not worth the trouble. I’ve lost friends and will be helping others rebuild. Whatever you think is irrelevant. Bye bye now.

UlyssesT ,

dramatic fedora tip

UlyssesT ,

good, those meltdown videos are quality content

Your meltdown comments are quality content. frothingfash

mateomaui ,

thanks, appreciated, blocked

UlyssesT ,

It’s too bad you never found out that announcing blocks only makes you look more pissy and pompous. wojak-nooo

nach ,
@nach@bae.st avatar

@UlyssesT @mateomaui shut the fuck up redditor, your retarded instance already blocks the wider fediverse nigger

mateomaui ,

I enjoyed that reply, filling my bong with your tears.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

I really wouldn't have guessed that Tankies would have "Hawaii" in their list of trigger-words like this. Half the comments in this thread are "but imperialism!" when the subject is actually housing prices and has nothing to do with it. If Hawaii was a sovereign state they'd probably be having similar problems with displaced renters from a situation like this.

mateomaui ,

Yeah, they’re so concerned about us here. I’d like to see donation receipts. Probably hasn’t occurred to them how many elderly kapuna rely on US social security benefits to pay rent after paying into the system for decades, etc. The whole “US needs to leave Hawaii” thing is pretty poorly thought out.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
@Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

Reddit has turned your brain to soup

mateomaui ,

Mahalo for your support

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

check out all the colonizer scumbags downvoting you

freagle ,

Not just downvoting. Have you seen these comments? The brain rot never ceases to amaze me.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

indeed, reddit migration brought over some of the most deplorable people here

IHaveTwoCows ,

While I agree with your general sentiment here and absolutely condemn the US’s coup to seize Hawaii, let’s not overlook the role of the Great Mahele in this. Also, Hawaiian schools should never have dropped ke olelo ola classes in favor of “patriotism”.

freagle ,

Major “both sides” vibes

IHaveTwoCows ,

Major “reality” vibes. The Hawaiian flag still has the Union Jack ffs

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

HONOLULU (AP) — Residents who survived the wildfire that leveled the Hawaii town of Lahaina might not be able to afford to live there after it is rebuilt unless officials alter the zoning laws and make other changes, economists warned Friday.

Soaring housing prices have already forced many Native Hawaiians and other longtime Hawaii residents to leave the islands and move to the U.S. mainland.

The wildfire that claimed at least 97 lives and destroyed 2,200 buildings in the West Maui community of Lahaina — 86% of which were residential — amplifies that problem for the survivors.

A spike in housing costs would be a further burden for people — including retirees and those who worked in restaurants, hotels and shops — who lost their homes and jobs when their places of employment burned to the ground on Aug. 8, or when West Maui temporarily closed to tourism after the disaster.

At a news conference on Thursday at the state Capitol, Green stressed that the displaced survivors won’t be forced out of hotels to make room for tourists, with October typically being a slow month for tourism.

“Outsiders should not have the opportunity to grab land or properties because emotions are running high, so everyone is vulnerable,” Melody Lukela-Singh, whose home on Lahaina’s renowned Front Street burned, said recently.

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