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shiveyarbles ,

Did he fuck around and find out?

masquenox ,

Never collaborate with occupiers. Lots of people in Afghanistan learned that the hard way, too.

CookieJarObserver ,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Id say that’s a little different.

Zippy ,

Yes you should just have supported the exsisting Taliban.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Lots of people celebrating this guys murder. Sometimes I really wish reddit didn’t kill their api so you blood thirsty nuts would have stayed there.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Also apparently this happened a year ago I dunno why its being posted now

Durotar ,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

I agree with your sentiment. People in Ukraine have right to be bloodthirsty, but it’s scary when people in Germany and UK in the comfort of their homes behave like that.

Airazz ,

I live about a hundred km from the nearest russian military base. Can I behave like that?

UlrikHD ,
@UlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

Traitor sounds too soft compared to the word we got for it in Norway, but “traitors of a country” in war rarely rouse much sympathy.

E.g. the majority of Norwegians are against the death penalty, but you would be hard pressed to find many opposing the decision to execute Quisling after the war.

kent_eh ,

Celebrating?

No.

Unsurprised that his traitorous actions would lead to this?

Also no.

Duamerthrax ,

I felt sorry for the French girls who had their hair shaved off for dating Nazi officers. We really don’t know why they did it and I doubt it helped the occupiers very much.

Pretty indifferent to this.

nac82 ,

Cry tears for a dead nazi lol

KrimsonBun ,
@KrimsonBun@lemmy.ml avatar

What’s this? the consequences of my actions

Identity ,

What’s this? The consequences of my actions

kate ,

Why are you posting the daily Mail??

Surreal ,

Great, let’s copy Russia and just murder people we don’t like, no need for court or the law

yumcake ,

Yeah, when the court and the law lacks objectivity or ethics, this sort of thing happens. That’s why a functional court and rule of law is needed to provide an orderly pressure release valve for accumulated injustices.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Y’all already have been genocidal colonisers for centuries with trillions of dollars of global plundering and dozens of millions genocided

StaticSyntax ,

Oh look. If it isn’t the consequences of your own actions.

Nacktmull , (edited )

The consequence of someone saying their opinion should in no case to be murdered. It is wrong to murder people because they have a different opinion.

I did not know he was also a collaborator …

SlowNPC ,
@SlowNPC@kbin.social avatar

Mr Struk ... actively pursued a 'pro-Russian position' in the last week by 'communicating with the Russian Federation

Actively supporting an invading force during war isn't "having a different opinion," it's treason.

Nacktmull ,

No disagree from me. I was just triggered by the clickbait title that does not say anything about collaboration.

stopthatgirl7 ,
@stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

I mean…they can’t be any kind of surprise to anyone.

OurToothbrush ,

Gotta wonder if you all would feel this way about random US civilians who supported US wars of aggression being killed.

ObiGynKenobi ,

That’s not exactly a 1:1 comparison, is it? And I say that as someone who personally wouldn’t give a fuck about those nationalists meeting their end at the hands of the victims of such a war.

OurToothbrush ,

What is the difference in your eyes?

boredtortoise ,

Sorry to butt in. I’m not the commenter but I see the point

An apt comparison would be a mexican mayor, welcoming USA to invade them

Or a taiwanese one, who wishes the same from China. Etc.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

In his eyes, blue eyes blonde hair, probably.

dbilitated ,
@dbilitated@aussie.zone avatar

if a mayor of a town in Afghanistan told everyone he wants the US to invade while bombs are falling on his countrymen? yeah. I’d feel the same way?

pulaskiwasright , (edited )

A mayor of a town who worked with the enemy of his country, which is currently bombing civilians regularly, is not the same as a “random” citizen who supports their own country. Thats a mind bogglingly stupid comparison.

Fazoo ,
@Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh no… Anyway, the new BMW M3…

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Good for him.

d4rknusw1ld ,

*cue Seinfeld … “That’s a shame…” 🍿

atlasraven31 ,

If he liked Putin’s russia so much, he should have moved there.

innermachine ,

To be fair, I guess he thought they were gonna move to him!

agarorn ,

Moved where? From a Russian point of view this was Russia.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

I guess from a Russian point of view he is still alive as well then

Aria ,

That’s the dumbest shit in this thread yet.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

There’s too many lemmygrad users here. The ignorance is rubbing off on me

agarorn ,

No? What are you talking about.

The comment I answered too inplied that he should have moved to Russia. But from his point of view he was already in Russia.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

it was a joke.

atlasraven31 ,

From a Russian point of view, Alaska is also theirs.

agarorn ,

No? And what does that have to do with the conversation?

knfrmity ,

He was in Luhansk, a region which has democratically chosen to be a part of Russia due in large part to the horrific actions of the Ukrainian regime towards the people of Luhansk.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

it was an illegitimate referendum.

knfrmity ,

Was it? According to who? The people who have been selling artillery shells to drop on the people of Luhansk for over nine years? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Michael Radachovsky, political advisor to the European Commission, noted that there were no violations in terms of voting procedures at the polling stations he visited.

“The elections were well organized in terms of how people were treated, the process itself was very well organized,” he stated.

mronline.org/…/the-narrative-of-sham-elections/

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

“Well organized” doesnt mean legitimate. The referendum was organized without the consent of the legitimate government of Ukraine, was rightfully boycotted by Ukrainians, was scoped beyond the occupied areas and included non residents shipped in from russia.

knfrmity ,

Then please tell me how a region under genocidal siege from the very state it is internationally recognized to be a part of should legitimately break away and establish its own sovereignty.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

It’s called perestroika

knfrmity ,

How is that relevant? The topic at hand is sovereignty and what the supposed correct way to go about achieving it is, not shitty economic liberalization.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I didn’t mean the economic reform, but the re-ordering of the states.

If you’d like parts of a country that is overbearing to split off and become countries of their own, that’s quite an effective method, wouldn’t you say?

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy , (edited )

Ukraine was, and remains, at war with separatist factions fomented by Russia. If Russia didn’t want a war in Donbas, they shouldn’t have started a war there

knfrmity ,

Russia started a war in 2014?

Whether or not the separatist faction is fomented by a foreign power, what gives Ukraine the right to shell them for nearly a decade on end, make their language and culture illegal, and exclude them from the public sphere? In early 2022 Ukraine was preparing for military action on Donbas, to essentially remove all remaining dissenters.

I think Ukraine, under direction of its NATO puppeteers, has done a great job of fomenting separatism in culturally Russian minorities present in Ukraine all on their own.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Russia started a war in 2014?

Yes. Russia invaded and annexed Crimea which is a part of ukraine. It also provided arms and boots on the ground to separatist movements in the Donbas

Whether or not the separatist faction is fomented by a foreign power, what gives Ukraine the right to shell them for nearly a decade

They are a hostile force occupying Ukrainian land, committing human rights abuses against Ukrainians living in the Donbas.

make their language and culture illegal

The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It’s wasn’t until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, neither the Russian language, nor its culture was banned

In early 2022 Ukraine was preparing for military action on Donbas, to essentially remove all remaining dissenters.

Ukraine has been investing heavily in its defense capabilities since it was invaded in 2014 by a hostile foreign power. If there was ever a good reason to build up a military, that’s it

mashbooq ,

That’s a straw man, because in this case they weren’t under genocidal siege by the state it is internationally recognized to be a part of

zephyrvs ,

A couped government isn’t legitimate.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

a coup, by definition, is “a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.” Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislature. Enough of his party defected to the opposition to the point where he no longer commanded a majority.

zephyrvs ,

Please educate yourself on the Maidan coup:

jacobin.com/…/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-na…mronline.org/2022/07/06/anatomy-of-a-coup/

If you respond with contradicting sources, please check first if they’re funded by NED or similar orgs so I don’t have to do that for you. Appreciate!

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

What part or parts of my comment are you specifically taking issue with?

zephyrvs ,

Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislature.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Yanukovych fled to a country that was actively at the same time invading Ukraine derelicting his duties as President.

The Ukrainian legislature then voted to remove him

At which point an election was held and a new president was elected

zephyrvs ,

Thanks for clearing that up, now I understand the point you were raising.

abraxas ,

And let’s not forget the polling. Over 94% voter turnout (or an illicit vote) and 98% voting for annexation? You can’t even get 80% of people to vote for “don’t shoot yourself in the face” and we’re supposed to believe the annexation vote was near-unanimous?

The propagandists really should’ve made up a number closer to 60% with 85% turnout, enough that a majority of the population could be said to have voted for annexation, while still being believable.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Exactly

BartsBigBugBag ,

So you support Turkey over the Kurds, right? Given that they had a well-organized Declaration of Independence and autonomy, without the consent of the legitimate government in Turkey.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

I don’t know enough about that conflict to form an opinion on it

reddwarf ,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Liar. It was a sham election and everyone knows it.

knfrmity ,

That’s quite a lot of confidence for an objectively false statement.

Michael Radachovsky, political advisor to the European Commission, noted that there were no violations in terms of voting procedures at the polling stations he visited.

“The elections were well organized in terms of how people were treated, the process itself was very well organized,” he stated.

mronline.org/…/the-narrative-of-sham-elections/

mashbooq ,

No one with any sense believes that bullshit any more

Airazz ,

Of course someone from pro-genocide instance would say that.

AnonymousLlama ,
@AnonymousLlama@kbin.social avatar

Usually they get yeeted out of windows, good to see they're changing it up, keeping it fresh

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Should check out the podcast “Sad Oligarch” it’s about the rash of Russian oligarchs and such throwing themselves out of windows, and killing their families then themselves.

rumbleran ,

I recommend it as well. It’s not just people falling out of windows, they use all kinds of methods to get rid of people they don’t like.

palordrolap ,

That's the thing, see. A bullet. It is known he was murdered.

Somewhere in the Kremlin someone is thinking that this was entirely without style. So blunt. Barbarous. When a man falls from a window it is ... an accident.

Meanwhile, somewhere in Ukraine, someone is thinking "Style be damned, this was a message."

They will continue to disagree about which method is best regardless of specific situation and intended subtlety until one of them is shot or falls out of a window.

lntl ,
@lntl@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s not like the Russian state doesn’t know how to assassinate people. Will they retaliate? This is a terrible side effect of war

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