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jordanlund ,
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This was actually a discussion I was in on the Marvel movies of all things. They updated Iron Man’s origin by moving it from Vietnam to the Middle East, and the question then became “Well, how do you update Magneto’s origin without the Holocaust?” and I was like “There’s always another genocide… Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia… pick one.”

dylanmorgan ,

My thought was you make him a black South African who lost his family to apartheid related violence.

yngmnwntr ,

I want young Rohingya Magneto.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

That is going to annoy the Turks too.

souperk ,
@souperk@reddthat.com avatar

In it, Walz argues that the lessons of the “Jewish Holocaust” should be taught “in the greater context of human rights abuses,” rather than as a unique historical anomaly or as part of a larger unit on World War II. “To exclude other acts of genocide severely limited students’ ability to synthesize the lessons of the Holocaust and the ability to apply them elsewhere,” he wrote.

What an antisemitic, he wants people to learn so such acts of horror never happen again.

Nomad ,

*antisemite

I approve of your sarcasm though.

SwampYankee ,

I agree with Walz here, the Holocaust was not unique in the sense that genocide is an ongoing feature of human history and events. I also agree with the dude elsewhere in this thread that the Holocaust was unique among genocides, because it was the first industrial genocide. That doesn’t make it worse; we don’t need to play victim olympics. In the grand scheme of things, Walz certainly should not be called antisemitic for saying that we shouldn’t hyperfocus on the Holocaust at the expense of understanding the prevalence of genocide in general, and we should realize the reason he’s being called antisemitic is because, right now, it benefits Israel to derail any broader discussion on the nature of genocide.

NaibofTabr ,

They’re really reaching for some material, aren’t they?

anachronist ,

Well they tried trashing him for providing tampons to women in need.

Then for being a retired military vet.

Then for making a joke about ladders.

So yeah, they’re really running out of stuff it would seem.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

It wasn’t unique, it wasn’t a “one off”. The unique framing appeals to conservatives as it feeds into exceptionalism and impunity. “We’re special!” It’s those people who only care about stuff when it happens to them. Same as with abortions and “The only moral abortion is my abortion”.

Fundamentally, this is evidence of the failure to generalize learning (what learning is for), a grand failure of intelligence.

Lupus , (edited )

It wasn’t unique, it wasn’t a “one off”.

I disagree with the premise, the Holocaust was unique. It was unique in its effectiveness, it was a meticulously planned machinery of death the world has never seen before or after. The Jews weren’t just killed where they could be found, they were caught, cataloged, transported, sorted and then murdered as effectively as possible. Death on a well planned assembly line.

** Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?

No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism. **

The unique framing appeals to conservatives as it feeds into exceptionalism and impunity. “We’re special!” It’s those people who only care about stuff when it happens to them.

That’s just a disgusting take just someone very privileged is able to have.

Fontasia ,

So Mao and Pol Pot were just armatures because they didn’t keep enough paperwork?

Lupus , (edited )

Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?

No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism.

I have pointed at exactly this sort of quantifier as being wrong already in my original comment.

Edit: Really, the above comment gets up votes for alleging something I explicitly spoke out against in my first comment? Guess it’s correct what people say about .ml

Mrkawfee OP ,

If only they made it a bit more “Vorsprung durch Technik”, they could have made their genocides truly unique.

Lupus ,

Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?

No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism.

freagle ,

So the Holocaust didn’t do the same thing to Romas, queer folk, Black folk, etc? Only the Jewish folk?

anachronist ,

So the unique thing about the Holocaust was the involvement of IBM and Bayer/IG Farben?

Ok yeah I can buy that.

Lupus ,

Sure whatever you want to believe, I gave up on this thread having any sort of constructive argument or insight. Didn’t even have to be valuable insight, but there’s nothing here to be found.

BigMacHole ,

This is HORRIBLE! Look at that ANTISEMITE!

-People who Support Nazis and think anyone who is against Genocide is Antisemitic!

awake01 ,

Yeah, this one doesn’t hold water either… I’m sure he kicked a dog or something at some point. I’m gonna hold out for that one.

Dkarma ,

Genocide isn’t unique…walz is right

HowMany ,

Another case of the idiot right wing shunning facts or spinning them into non-facts. They can’t deal in facts so they must pollute factual information down to their level where they’re comfortable with the lie they’ve created.

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