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daltotron ,

Whoever keeps throwing in the shit about law enforcement in these stories, which I think was actually a security officer for the embassy, drawing a gun, is doing a pretty good job of distracting from the main issue of what this guy lit himself on fire and died for. Doing a much better job than all the whinging about how he was mentally ill, and how this won’t change anything, and how there’s no clear cause, that mainstream news outlets are doing when they cover this type of stuff, if they cover it at all.

I would also like to kind of point out here, that “this won’t change anything, this guy was mentally ill, he killed himself for nothing”, is really only true if you decide it to be true. We get to decide whether or not this motivates us to do something or not. We get to decide whether or not we let this affect us. Whether or not we do something, to make sure this doesn’t happen again, you know? And that’s mostly, in my mind, the purpose of this kind of protest.

Maybe it makes the institutions think about what they’re doing, probably not, since, if they were gonna think that, they should’ve probably thought that about the 20,000 or so palestinians that have been killed. This protest is mostly engineered to get you mad, and sad, and to make you, the viewer, think about why this is happening, and think about what you can do to stop it. Not just deflecting immediately to whether or not it was effective, because by doing so, you let it not be as effective.

Brings to mind the discourse against, really any form of protest that I’ve seen. You could take the george floyd protests, for example. So, sure, the government throws in agent provocateurs, in order to turn what would otherwise be peaceful protests, which would shut down any traffic into and out of the city, and would choke off any economic activity (puts pressure on businesses, utilities, puts pressure on local government, which needs to please these people who don’t really care about the protest but want things to go back to normal).

But by doing so, right, by causing those passive forms of damage, but also by causing active forms of damage, say, burning a big box store down, right, the public showcases that, if a certain legal decision to, say, let derek chauvin off, occurs, then there will be potentially more protests and more destruction, which provides great incentive against that decision occurring.

Now, in this case, there’s not as clear of a process, because there’s not as clear of repercussions if they decide to do nothing. About the only thing that might happen is that this might happen again, which, might, by some process of media coverage, put enough pressure on politicians to cause this to stop, if it becomes a political issue. The same thing is happening with mass shootings, which aren’t a greatly impacting issue, by the numbers, right, they’re much less than that of road deaths, heart disease, other forms of gun violence.

But they are so horrifying to the american public and to really anyone of moral conscience, that they should serve as a clear marker that something is wrong, and something needs to change. Serial killers create a similar effect. It’s almost like a kind of terrorism, using that word without judgement, here. That’s the power of these protests. We’ve already seen it spread across a bunch of news media, even though it’s being reported about as poorly as you’d expect.

I’m not particularly sure that repeat incidents would do any good, and I think I’d generally be opposed to that, as should anyone, but, an instance of self-immolation is what caused the arab spring. This sort of thing isn’t ineffective, I think it does a disservice to aaron bushnell to say otherwise.

If you want to stop this sort of thing from occurring in the first place, you should really try to understand why it was happening, instead of brushing it aside.

Cringe2793 ,

While this man is brave and all (I wouldn’t have burnt myself), what does this achieve? I doubt authorities care a lot. And it’s not like visibility over this situation isn’t there.

olivebranch ,

I think think it is so that the rest of us have more bravery in our protest against these terrible war crimes and stop them at any cost.

BenGvir ,

good another dead hamas lover i hope all terrorists experience this

destroyamerica ,
@destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml avatar

one day scum like you will be left exactly where you belong: the dustbins of history, spit upon by the free people of the world

robinn_IV ,
@robinn_IV@hexbear.net avatar

All the terrorists surely will experience much worse. You will be shot, of course, while editing your dipshit hitlerite nonsense yet not bothering to capitalize “I.”

olivebranch ,

He doesn’t want civilians to get killed, so he supports Hamas. Didn’t Israel government finance Hamas just so they can justify the genocide.

RonPaulyShore ,
@RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net avatar

Eat shit.

enitoni ,
@enitoni@beehaw.org avatar

I’m on beehaw but I so wish I could downvote you.

Dirt_Owl ,

Keep telling your weak mind that Palestinians are all terrorists if it helps make the genocide easier, coward

TengoDosVacas ,

And NPR claimed to not know what his motivation was.

Perhapsjustsniffit ,

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    lilsolar ,
    @lilsolar@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Reminds me of This

    Grant_M ,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    Free Palestinians from Hamas

    Eyck_of_denesle ,

    Free yourself from propaganda

    Grant_M ,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m free. That’s why I am able to see that Hamas are terrorists.

    P00P_L0LE ,
    @P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml avatar

    claims to be a free thinker

    Parrots the most common opinion in western society

    claims others are brainwashed instead

    Interesting

    Marin_Rider ,

    Hamas is not Palestine as Israel is not all Jews.

    Hamas is a cancer that must go for peace to have a chance

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Y’all say shit like this but when I say Israel is a cancer that must go for peace to have a chance y’all get mad.

    Marin_Rider ,

    because saying it like that is not saying the current Israel government must go, you are implying the state of Israel must go.

    that’s genocide

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s definitely not what genocide means. Destroying the Israeli group is genocide. Destroying the Israeli state is not.

    Marin_Rider , (edited )

    by the same (wrong) logic, destroying gaza is not genocide then

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Given that there currently isn’t a Gazan state, you might want to reconsider your argument.

    Marin_Rider ,

    its literally not worth engaging with you further

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Worth enough to leave a comment.

    P00P_L0LE , (edited )
    @P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml avatar

    The people fighting to defend Palestinians from their imminent ethnic cleansing are a “cancer”, but the same is not said for the occupying nation committing the cleansing.

    Interesting!

    Marin_Rider ,

    hamas are NOT defending the palestinian people

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Doing more than you.

    Marin_Rider ,

    or you for that matter

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Never said otherwise.

    P00P_L0LE ,
    @P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml avatar

    oh, okay random Internet person, whatever you say 👍👍

    queermunist ,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    🤡

    Tinidril ,

    Hamas and Israel are two sides of the same coin. Hamas knew exactly what the demented Israeli government would do, and they knew it would bring sympathy to their cause. Israel walked into the trap because they are also consumed with ethnic hatred. There is plenty of evidence that Israel even supported Hamas just to get them an excuse for a genocide.

    Grant_M ,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    The Netanyahu government, yes.

    Tinidril ,

    Unfortunately, it’s not just the government. There are mobs preventing aid from getting in, and almost half the country supports what’s happening in Gaza.

    Grant_M ,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    True. And it’s also true that some Palestinians are allied with the Hamas terrorists. Also unfortunate. The victims are Israeli and Palestinian civilians.

    potentiallynotfelix ,
    @potentiallynotfelix@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    I don’t see this changing anything israel does.

    BoxedFenders ,
    @BoxedFenders@hexbear.net avatar

    The lib compulsion to deny the power of protest while championing the vote as the only appropriate instrument for change…

    olivebranch ,

    I hope it changes what we do. If he is this brave, we can be a little braver in organizing a movement to stop our governments from supporting Israel, at any cost.

    MTG8175 ,

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    Raebxeh ,
    @Raebxeh@hexbear.net avatar

    Why be like this?

    braxy29 ,

    having viewed the video now, i initially found myself surprised i was not more horrified. my best guess as to why is this - what seemed most notable to me was his apparent sanity and intentionality in making this choice. he chose the where and when of his death and intended it to matter.

    Grayox ,
    @Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

    I couldn’t believe how long he stayed on his feet after he could no longer scream. Rest in Power Aaron.

    BenGvir ,

    rest in piss terrorist

    Che ,

    So edgy

    olivebranch ,

    How is he a terrorist? He didn’t hurt or threaten anyone? He sacrificed himself to bring attention to suffering of innocent people. He is a hero.

    Ascend910 ,

    And here ladies and gentlemen, is what a terrorist will say

    NuclearDolphin ,

    His account is named after a notorious one

    Ascend910 ,

    Ye you get my point, I see ;)

    Crack0n7uesday ,

    He stopped feeling pain because shock set in about 30 seconds into it, I could get more graphic but that’s about how long it took for his eyes to get to fucked up to close them.

    xapr ,

    The uncensored video is here as well: theworldwatch.com/…/shock-us-air-force-airman-set…

    Dalkor ,

    That comments section is such a dumpster fire of what I hope are bots and not actual human beings… Because damn, otherwise, Giant Meteor 2024

    xapr ,

    Ugh, I hadn’t even noticed the comments until you mentioned it. I avoid the comments sections on most “news” sites because they’re almost universally dumpster fires if they’re not properly moderated.

    Edit: although Giant Meteor 2024 definitely sounds like a winning ticket.

    jaemo ,

    I too support the initiatives of Giant Meteor, Comet and Asteroid LLC, and wish them a strikingly good year.

    ULS , (edited )

    They are angry sounding. I wish there was giant meteor.

    penquin ,

    The comments on the video are actually more horrifying than the video itself. How can a human watch another human suffer like this and be happy/laugh about it? They’re wishing that others would do the same just because they think differently from them? Do we even have any hope left in humanity anymore?

    dessalines ,

    Holy shit you weren’t kidding. Those comments are horrifying.

    penquin ,

    Unfortunately no 😔

    undercrust ,

    Those are the people making America great again!

    olivebranch ,

    There are many people that consider themselves left-wing that excuse their government support of genocide. I have no idea how…

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    Israelis blocking aid trucks to Gaza at the Karm Abu Salem crossing, hold a dance party as millions of Palestinians face death, starvation and disease due to lack of food, clean water, and medical supplies and Israel’s relentless military bombardment.

    middleeastmonitor.com/20240214-israelis-dance-whi…

    there’s a video

    TengoDosVacas ,

    No. No, we dont.

    BenGvir ,

    how can u not laugh at a dead terrorist lover

    olivebranch ,

    He cares for innocent people that are getting killed in this war. You don’t need love for compassion, just basic human decency.

    Hasuris ,

    By being a sane human being for instance. Try empathy.

    penquin ,

    I wish Israel was actually killing those terrorists you’re speaking of. More than 60% of those are children. They haven’t killed that many Hamas members. This is ethnic cleansing. It’s a genocide. I don’t know why the mod removed this comment. Let people speak their minds so we know who’s an actual human being and who isn’t.

    xapr ,

    I try not to let myself get affected by crazy anonymous comments on the internet. I definitely avoid thinking that they’re any kind of majority. I figure that those comments come from a minority of people who are either really messed up, have an ulterior motive, or whatever variety of atypical motivation. If nothing else, it’s better for my mental health to think this way.

    penquin ,

    I’m gonna need to do it your way for sure. Sounds much healthier

    shneancy ,

    “law enforcement drew guns at the burning man” 💀

    ULS ,

    Here’s a photo.

    archive.org/…/RPReplay_Final1708967255_000186.jpg

    Kushia ,
    @Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

    This is so sadly America it’s not funny.

    YarHarSuperstar ,
    @YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

    Mirror?

    ULS ,

    Do a Google search and you can probably find it. I saw more photos on mastadon and reddit.

    Tinidril ,

    That’ll be in the history books.

    mellowheat ,

    I guess this part of the reactions to this video illustrates the confusion that people have about how it feels to be in that situation. I’m confused that people are unable to imagine it how chaotic the situation might be. We have the benefit of knowing how it unfolded, but what the police officers knew is what they were briefed on that morning (most probably threats against the embassy) and the exact situation they are in.

    shneancy ,

    idk about you but I wouldn’t point a gun at someone who’s on fire in any situation

    mellowheat ,

    Seems like a case of reverting to training in a stressful situation.

    shneancy ,

    then this just tells me their training is “point gun at what you don’t understand”

    mellowheat ,

    It sure does.

    thorbot ,

    God damn, this is brutal. I watched it and it gave me absolute chills. The world won’t forget this man’s bravery and sacrifice, even if the media doesn’t cover it.

    MedicPigBabySaver ,

    Wanna bet?

    thorbot ,

    We won’t forget.

    MedicPigBabySaver ,

    Lie

    thorbot ,

    kindly shut the fuck up now

    Maggoty ,

    Oh the country will forget. By Friday there will be something else.

    ULS ,

    There’s going to be some big presidential debate drama. Bidens going to forget to wear socks or Trumps going to go tanning again… The important stuff.

    Maggoty ,

    I’m waiting with baited breath

    Zippit ,

    It’s nowhere in the news cycles here in Europe. Sadly, maybe we won’t forget but the world is already neglecting it. I wish he hadn’t done it, we’ve seen enough death already.

    dessalines , (edited )

    I’ve created a torrent for the video if anyone wants to help seed. His sacrifice in bringing attention to the US-sponsored genocide in Palestine must not be forgotten.

    ULS ,

    I’m not able to connect to it.

    dessalines ,

    Just leave it open, it’ll find peers eventually.

    SummerIsTooWarm , (edited )

    I’m currently sitting behind closed ports and cannot find any peers when I try to torrent it. I’ll try again at home tomorrow shy

    linuxdweeb ,

    Don’t bother seeding it, it’s a censored version. I don’t know if the person who made the torrent added the blur or not, but it seems pointless to preserve it like this.

    penquin ,

    Link doesn’t work.

    YarHarSuperstar ,
    @YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a magnet link. Copy the link address and put it in your torrent client.

    FriendBesto ,

    Noticed that the MSM is barely touching the story or if they are, with little contextual detail. Am I the only one who has noticed this?

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    No you are not, NPR mysteriously has no idea what motivated this man who was shouting his motivation

    Rom ,
    @Rom@hexbear.net avatar

    I’m all for shitting on lib media, but please verify claims before repeating them. NPR updated their article over 10 hours ago to report on his motivations.

    web.archive.org/…/fire-man-israeli-embassy-washin…

    gitgud ,

    Aaron Bushnell, the greatest American since John Brown

    SocialMediaRefugee ,

    Self immolation as a form of protest. For anyone unaware of it there was a Buddhist monk who immolated themself to protest the oppression of Buddhists by the Catholic PM of Vietnam.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thích_Quảng_Đức

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Rage_Against_the_Machine_(albu…

    time.com/…/malcolm-browne-the-story-behind-the-bu…

    groupofcrows ,

    “Arab Spring” started with a immolation.

    BustinJiber ,

    For anyone unaware - it happened at least 160 times since 2009 - en.wikipedia.org/…/Self-immolation_protests_by_Ti…

    en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_political_self-immolat…

    MacNCheezus ,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    What really shocked me about this list is that Aaron was apparently already the 23rd person to do so SINCE THE START OF 2020, meaning there’s roughly been one person setting themselves on fire every other month or so, and I don’t think I’ve even HEARD of any of the other ones.

    And not all of them happened in foreign countries either. In fact, apparently someone did the very same thing in front of the Israeli consulate in Atlanta a mere 3 months ago and I don’t even remember hearing about it.

    BustinJiber ,

    Yes, I didn’t even know it happened in my own country of Poland. I would blame news and TV but I don’t even watch TV, and so much article titles sounds like clickbait I usually refuse to even check them. So I guess I can blame the news for the insulting clickbait tactics.

    PanArab ,

    Rest in power

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