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ComradeChairmanKGB ,
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Death to America

filister ,

Just a hypothetical question but how many Palestinians have to die for the US to vote to support a ceasefire? Or how many more war crimes Israel has to commit to stop them sending weapons.

The US should realise that sending them weapons empowers Israel and gives them the sense of impunity that no matter what they do they will always get a pass.

No one should be higher than basic humanitarian and international laws and with this war we clearly are showing our double standards.

TacoButtPlug ,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think our trash leadership care more about the footprint of the land than the feet of the people on that land. They kill our people off when they consider us as in the way as well, unfortunately.

filister ,

I think your trash leadership cares more about oil than human lives and call me conspiracy theorists, but weren’t they discovered a significant natural gas reserves in Gaza, which Israel either doesn’t want for Palestine to start working on or either want to take completely over. And making Gaza inhabitable and pushing Palestinians to Sinai might as well be part of their plan to do exactly that, using Hamas’ attack as an excuse.

TacoButtPlug ,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

I actually don’t know but wouldn’t put it past any conclusion. I hate how trapped we all are to these goons.

riseuppikmin ,

The United States is completely aware of the atrocities being committed and no amount of additional war crimes will change its position.

Its interests in the region that it views as necessary to maintaining its global hegemonic power are viewed as more important than any action by an allied actor even to the extent of what a decently large portion of its populace deems genocide.

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@filister all of them.

The US showed its double standards way back when it passed a law authorising itself to use military force against the international criminal courts if we ever tried to hold an American accountable for war crimes or crimes against humanity.

But yeah I think what's happening right now is a very powerful reminder of that, and isn't being lost on the rest of the world.

notannpc ,

Time to send the US representatives families to Gaza I guess.

agitatedpotato ,

We’d have better luck bringing Gaza to them.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

did nazi that coming

PanArab , (edited )
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

And somehow Westerners want us to believe that if the world was lead by China we will be worse off?

OutlierBlue ,

One can be bad, and the other definitely worse.

PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Only in your racist sinophobic world view. We on the other hand, judge by past and present actions, and it is clear who is the genocidal maniac here.

OutlierBlue ,

There’s some very interesting voting manipulation patterns going on in here. Some very quick upvotes on your nonsense and the same downvoting mine. I’m sure it’s all legit though as you spread your agenda throughout Lemmy.

appel ,

Don’t mind me just up voting them and down voting you too. By the way, care to explain why you think it would be definitely worse?

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Impossible that you just have a terribly shitty take and everyone knows it.

ExotiqueMatter ,
@ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

lemmygrad users: use a standard lemmy features that literally every user has access to

deranged lib user: “this is clearly a conspiracy to take over the world site”

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

These votes are organic. You’re just used to the voting patterns of imperial core social media platforms. Once you step outside that bubble, you may find that opinions differ.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

As it’s said, the Great Firewall is for the safety of c-- settlers like him

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Joined in summer 2023, check

Complaining about encountering different opinions, check

Conspiracy brained neolib, check

Redditor detected

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@OutlierBlue pro tip: voting in the fediverse isn't secret like it is on reddit.

If you suspect vote manipulation just get yourself a kbin account, we click and can see lists of exactly who upvoted each comment and when. (We can do this for downvotes too but we don't federate those).

It's a good way to spot people upvoting themselves, and to free yourself from paranoia.

mihies ,

"definitely"

brain_in_a_box ,

Correct; the USA is definitely worse.

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Correct: Are We The Baddies? 📺

List of Atrocities committed by US authorities

I swear Canadians believe in America exceptionalism even more than we ourselves do.

TacoButtPlug , (edited )
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

Interesting list. As a data slut, it would be best to see this expanded to other countries as well. And then broken down into in and out of state atrocities. Then, further down the road, linking specific instigators to their crimes so exact avenues of violence could be tracked.

Honestly, this is an excellent beginning to a powerful tool.

edit: theorizing how more data gives a complete picture gets downvoted… by whom exactly?

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Settler-level, vibes-based, “muh treats”-factored analysis. Don’t you have a historically Black neighborhood to be gentrifying

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I'm not with the communist crowd, but a significant fraction of the global population would be better off with China in control of world affairs. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be an East Asian in that world, but the Middle East and Africa for starters would definitely be better than they are now.

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Why wouldn’t the country that sells the most weapons do this? They have everything to gain from more wars.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Who would have thought this black American does not care about Muslims? It seems clearer by the day how non-white people fight amongst each other and keep white Anglos winning. As long as her ambassador job is safe, Palestinians and Muslims can go die I guess.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Not all of us are captured by the Black Misleadership Caucus. Too many of us, yeah; but not all of us, not yet.

P1r4nha ,

Biden really doesn’t want these Muslim votes it seems.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

And anyone else.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Politicians don’t run the US. Corporations do. The reason US funding continues is because the military industrial complex is making bank — stealing billions of dollars from the people to genocide brown people is win-win for the sociopath oligarchs that own these corporations.

Gigate ,

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    WhatAmLemmy ,

    BLUEMAGA!?! Are you retarded?

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Biden is a white christofascist just like Trump. But liberals think he is the saviour.

    freagle ,

    I ask this a lot, but why prefix fascist with Christo? ALL European fascism has always been Christian and explicitly so. It’s an inheritance from the Holy Roman Empire that dominated Europe and engaged in ethnic cleansing in the name of God. It’s the same Christian Manifest Destiny that genocide the indigenous in the western hemisphere. It’s the same Christianity that led to an explicit policy of rape by the Spanish all over Latin America to breed out the unclean blood and save as many souls as possible. It’s never NOT been Christian.

    Just call it what it is. It’s fascism. It’s the same fascism.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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    Christofascism is clearly a huge branch, one that runs through Vatican, KKK, Catholics, Republicans and places in Europe wherever state is secretly married to the Church.

    Christianity in Europe and USA is not the same as what was once born in Jerusalem, Palestine.

    freagle ,

    You mean fasco-christianty? As in some Christianity is fascist but not all Christianity? That’s not the point. The point is that all fascism so far has been Christian. Qualifying fascism by saying this fascism is Christo fascism makes it seem like it’s somehow different from regular fascism

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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    No, all fascism has not been Christian to date. A lot of it has been, but fascism has been practiced outside of Anglo world in many ways. It is a concept catering to primitive brains, after all.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Because the average person doesn’t know the direct ties between Christianity and Nazism, so it’s a good tool to catch them up to speed.

    freagle ,

    But it sounds like it’s somehow different from regular fascism when you qualify it with a prefix.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    It’s the first step towards realizing “oh god, ALL fascism is christofascism”

    FishLake ,

    I mean…you kinda said it there. European fascism can trace its lineage to European Christian kings, empires, and popes. But that’s fascism born of Europe. As others have said fascism has been and is practiced elsewhere and with different religious and cultural influences.

    Christo is merely an aesthetic modifier. It tells you what surface level flavor of fascism to expect. Remember that Nazis used language and themes of socialism in their aesthetic as well. It’s why we still refer to them as Nazis and not solely fascists.

    Though I understand your point. Why not call a christo-fascist and a Nazi the same thing. You certainly can; no one’s going to stop you. At its core fascism is always the same malignant stage of capitalistic rot. It’s practitioners will use whatever aesthetics they wants. Whatever works. Some may find it useful to describe the aesthetic quality of one fascism to expose its core similarities to other instances of fascism.

    OutlierBlue ,

    No they don’t. Biden isn’t anyone’s first pick, but he’s hands-down better than the alternative.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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    ExotiqueMatter ,
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    Y’all keep saying that but I have yet to see any of you point any actual material difference between Trump’s presidency vs during Biden’s presidency.

    What changed after the transition from Trump to Biden except rhetoric? As far as I know, oppressed minorities kept having their rights taken away 1 by 1 the same as before, police kept being over funded the same as before, migrants from the southern border kept being detained in literal concentration camps at the border the same as before, things kept getting more financially difficult for the average American every day the same as before, big polluter corporations kept polluting without consequences the same as before, the military budget kept getting ramped up every year the same as before, what is different in the real world outside the clown-show that is your political system? Where the fuck does that “not good but definitely better” goes when you stop going by the words of these known serial liars for to seconds and take a peak at what as changed in the actual lives of the American people?

    The only difference I see is that the Republicans is taking an active approach and pass laws directly whereas the Democrats is more passive and like to let the Republicans and other far right parties pass laws while standing there awkwardly and pretending they can do nothing about it.

    sun_is_ra ,

    He knows they have no choice. If its not him, it would be Trump. Since people in Gaza have little money, Trump wouldnt care if IDF wipe them out

    NoneOfUrBusiness ,

    That's true but that's not stopping Muslims (particularly in Michigan) from running dropping Biden, or even voting for Trump, campaigns. The idea is to show Biden that they're not all talk, but either way his reaction tells us he doesn't "know" anything.

    Gigate ,

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    Omega_Haxors ,

    As horrifying as that would be, I do feel a little sexual tension at the thought of all those smug liberals being murdered by the fascists they were upholding thinking that they could keep them under control just enough to murder the left, but not them.

    matcha_addict ,

    Unfortunately that’s only like 1% if not less. Not that voting is an effective vehicle change on its own anyways.

    bingbong ,

    Muslim votes are what can prevent him from winning states like Michigan. Percentage of the popular vote doesn’t matter, the electoral college does.

    filister ,

    Not defending Biden, but seriously if you were a Muslim voter would you rather vote for Trump then? I can only assume he isn’t very popular with those voters either, so they are left with very little choice and not voting for Biden is more or less the same as voting for Trump.

    mlg ,
    @mlg@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe

    Imran Khan was “coincidentally” able to gain a majority in Pakistan after 20 years trying with his party. He wasn’t perfect, but he targeted a lot of corruption and revamped the economy by convincing big companies to enter and expand business there, especially in the tech sector.

    He had decent relations with the USA because Imran Khan met Trump several times long before he became president, probably due to his status as a cricket captain.

    Then Trump got replaced for handling covid like a [insert favorite insult], and magically Imran Khan and the USA became cold again just like Obama. Biden outright refused to talk to IK and kept sending his defence secretary to demand US bases in Pakistan while leaving Afghanistan.

    Then the moment IK showed a hint of resistance, they told the army to get rid of him or face consequences. Now he’s sitting in jail, banned from being shown or mentioned on TV, banned from direct internet access, and banned from having his party run in elections. Oh and several of his party members are dead, hundreds if not thousands tortured, and internet cuts with police deployments whenever his supporters try to rally together.

    Naturally the economy self destructed, every corrupt politician came back since they’re in bed with the army, and elections were unconstitutionallly delayed for an entire year (and just happened 2 weeks ago).

    So a Muslim nation of 231 million suffered because the USA loves “spreading democracy” by approving coups and getting people killed all because they dared to have sovereignty.

    Except magically it only happened under Biden and not Trump.

    So yes. There is a pretty good chance Muslims will vote for Trump.

    ExotiqueMatter ,
    @ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Y’all are… tiring… I’m just gonna copypaste my answer to an other comment of the same thread:

    Y’all keep saying that but I have yet to see any of you point any actual material difference between Trump’s presidency vs during Biden’s presidency.

    What changed after the transition from Trump to Biden except rhetoric? As far as I know, oppressed minorities kept having their rights taken away 1 by 1 the same as before, police kept being over funded the same as before, migrants from the southern border kept being detained in literal concentration camps at the border the same as before, things kept getting more financially difficult for the average American every day the same as before, big polluter corporations kept polluting without consequences the same as before, the military budget kept getting ramped up every year the same as before, what is different in the real world outside the clown-show that is your political system? Where the fuck does that “not good but definitely better” goes when you stop going by the words of these known serial liars for to seconds and take a peak at what as changed in the actual lives of the American people?

    The only difference I see is that the Republicans is taking an active approach and pass laws directly whereas the Democrats is more passive and like to let the Republicans and other far right parties pass laws while standing there awkwardly and pretending they can do nothing about it.

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