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Pyr_Pressure ,

If only leaders could step down before the inevitable loss for the good of their voters and their party… Cough Biden… Cough Trudeau… Cough

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

UK doesn’t work like you think it does. The PM is not a publicly elected position like in the USA.

You vote for the party. The winning party tells you who, of their elected members, will have that role. The party can replace the PM on a vote.

it’s like the speaker of the house in the USA. Remember all the voting and stuff the Republicans did earlier? Similar.

Rekhyt ,

This is exactly right - the exact same “Let’s burn down the system sell off the system to the highest briber bidder” sentiment that’s been ruling the Republicans has been eating away at the Tories as well. Now, every time leadership fails to make changes, they toss them out and put someone more extreme in their place (until you hit a Liz Truss)

Pyr_Pressure ,

Yeah I’m Canadian, our system works fairly similarly. We vote liberal or conservative, but the leader can be different depending on the party vote.

Our Trudeau could still decide to not run for PM next election though if he decided not to run.

Your party can’t tell you to lead the party if you weren’t voted in as part of that party since you didn’t run at all.

then_three_more ,

Then you end up with Boris, Truss, Sunaak in a single parliament and then wondering why your party is seen as being incapable of selecting anyone decent and then a crushing electoral defeat.

dubyakay ,

I feel like the UK is lagging behind and we will see a rubber banding effect. After a decade of cons we will see a weak centrist labour party that will try to right the wrongs of the previous government while also taking all the blame for it. Then come next election cycle, because they were too pussyfoot to change FPTP, a stronger than ever right wing party will undo anything.

roguetrick , (edited )

The FPTP system in the UK is what makes this incredibly likely. Yes labour won huge with their Tory lite platform, but turnout was shit and their huge majority win isn’t even 35 percent of the people who even bothered voting. That’s a very fragile landslide and it will turn around when these milquetoast liberals fail to change anything (because they don’t want to change anything).

floofloof ,

Unfortunately we won’t get proper socialists after that, we’ll get fascists.

Regrettable_incident ,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, FPTP is a shitty system and needs to be changed. But it’s disconcerting to consider how many hard right Reform MPs we’d have now if we had proportional representation.

roguetrick , (edited )

To be sure, but with actual labour supporters looking at that and thinking “it’s because Tories didn’t actually keep their promises to stop immigration” and “let’s opress trans people too” I honestly don’t think the resulting government with a few more in opposition would’ve been worse than something where an actual left party might’ve succeeded. You know, one that provides a revolutionary vision of hope.

“I do think people need hope, but it needs to be what I call ordinary hope, realistic hope,” Starmer said.

inthesetimes.com/…/britain-keir-starmer-corbyn-el…

This government is doomed.

dignick ,

Labour got less votes than 2019. What a landslide! I’m not sure their Tory lite platform did them any favours. They were just Not The Tories and reform split the Tory vote because they were also Not The Tories and promised that everything would be perfect if we just hate immigrants a bit more

scarabic ,

Yeah that sounds about right.

lone_faerie ,

Don’t you think he looks tired?

kandoh ,

Depressing that the UK clearly still wants a conservative government, they’ve just, after 14 years, finally realized the Tories are incompetent perverts.

GiddyGap ,

As an American who is absolutely horrified and embarrassed about our own political climate and voter behavior, it’s very good to see a sane and dull transfer of power.

Sunak’s speech after stepping down:

Whilst he has been my political opponent, Keir Starmer, will shortly become our prime minister. In this job, his successes will be all our successes, and I wish him and his family well. Whatever our disagreements in this campaign, He is a decent, public spirited man who I respect.

He and his family deserve the very best of our understanding as they make the huge transition to their new lives behind this door. And as he grapples with this most demanding of jobs in an increasingly unstable world.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

And, like with the US, you now have progressives inheriting a house that conserves shat in for over a decade. Austerity, Brexit, etc.

I’m curious to see how good Britain’s long term memory is. America forgets about the dangers of conservatism all too quickly.

Rekhyt ,

So does Britain. Something like 75 of the last 100 years have had Conservatives in power. Obviously, what that means has changed over time, but it’s clear that every time Labour gets a shot at governing, Brits yell “Not good enough!” and put the Tories back in office.

Regrettable_incident ,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

I’m old enough to remember when Thatcher first became PM and from what I’ve seen Britain’s long term memory is pretty shit.

mdwhite999 ,

I wouldn’t really call the Labour party progressive

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I mean, they literally already have a king.

tlou3please ,

Yep our country is screwed in many ways but at least we haven’t so far dabbled in that kind of madness. It is fundamentally a properly functioning democracy.

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

He didn’t have to do this. It has nothing to do with the transfer of power. Just tradition to run away when you lose but you’re 100% allowed to stay party leader

anlumo ,

Not in UK’s Conservative Party. They don’t mess around, if the leader doesn’t deliver, they’re out, no questions asked.

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Except it has nothing to do with vacating Downing St and the transition of power

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t seen an Englishman take that harsh a blow since Hugh Grant!

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Why does Rishi always look like his mum knitted him?

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

But he's their best leader ever. Labour has not been this strong since I've been following uk politics.

IcyToes ,

Labour were like 1% point better than 2019. The only difference was the collapse of SNP, and the collapse of the Tory nationalist vote that ran to Reform.

Labour just walked the ball into the open net.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The thing about Labour is they always try and walk it in.

feedum_sneedson ,

it really was a ludicrous display

anlumo ,

At least they managed to do that, unlike the center-left in other European countries.

IcyToes ,

Not sure it’s centre left.

They campaigned on being hard on immigration and not increasing taxes to increase spending.

Keir has been quite deceptive and dropped all the policies he claimed in the leadership. He could be more right wing than Blair. So probably center right. The right wing of the party took over. Funded by business.

then_three_more ,

Which Corbin would still have managed to fuck up.

IcyToes , (edited )

Corbyn, and no. He got 40% in 2017. Keir only 34% here. When the right wing turned on him, including Streeting and his Progress chums on countless occasions there isn’t a lot you can do.

The right of the Labour party won’t tolerate a left wing party, but the left wing are much more professional, despite treatment of Abbot, Corbyn and others joining strikes.

reagansrottencorpse ,

He’s got a 7 million dollar home in California that he’s gonna hide in.

then_three_more ,

We really need to be able trigger by-elections for nonperformance, he’s still an MP after all. Fall below minimum attendance at the commons and can’t prove it’s because you’re doing constituency work and a recall petition should be triggered.

Rentlar ,

Pretty standard move in Parliamentary Politics.

I bet Truss, Sunak and their ilk with find lots of work as talking heads on American and British conservative shows.

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

Truss as a telly commentator would be brilliant considering she can barely deliver a normal sentence!

li10 ,

Obviously not feeling remotely sorry for him, but it makes me laugh when other MPs pile on the prime minister for their losses.

Like… it’s all of you fuckers that have done this over the past 14 years. Rishi was part of that as well, but Conservatives had already lost by the time he became PM.

mecfs ,

Yeah don’t get me wrong Rishi was absolute shit, but the man was an upgrade compared to Truss and BoJo

muse ,
@muse@fedia.io avatar

Unless you're trans, then he was the first prime minister to openly mock and ridicule you and your ilk

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t worry, Starmer’s already onboard as number 2 in that list!

):

IcyToes ,

Very true. Just not to the ultra nationalists and racists that ran to reform.

Z3k3 ,

I enjoyed his leadership pledges. He wanted to fix the economy he screwed up as chansoler

YurkshireLad ,

No doubt he’ll be straight off to a private job somewhere, raking in millions, despite being less useful than a chocolate teapot. Despite what he says online.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

“Paid speaker”

sunzu ,

He earned his stripes fucking the poors so now he will be rewarded by the big club for his services.

Job well done, sucks to suck peasants!

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Don’t forget his 115 grand of the taxpayers money that he’ll be getting every year for the rest of his life for "office costs and secretarial costs arising from his special position in public life” as well as severance and a special pension. Pocket change to him of course, but you know he’s going to claim every single penny of it just for the joy of fucking over regular people, and then probably invest it in arms manufacturing or oil and coal companies or private prisons or something else evil like that, as a treat.

nogooduser ,

I was going to say “up to” £115k but it looks like most of them claim as close to the maximum that they think that they can justify.

I’d have thought that the costs would go down year after year as the financial impact on their lives went down over time. Theresa May’s is going up for some reason and why the hell are Tony Blair, John Major and Gordon Brown still claiming the full amount!?

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Because they can.

JimmyMcGill ,

Simple as.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You don’t actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?

Also happy cake day 🎉😊

JimmyMcGill ,

Thanks!! And shit has it really been a year yet? My app still says 11 months but maybe a few hours are left

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Less usefull than a chocolate teapot… nice.

roguetrick , (edited )

Sunak has a net worth over 800 million. I doubt many can afford him as a clock puncher.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

His kind aren’t known for saying “I have enough money”

roguetrick , (edited )

Sure, but his main motivation isn’t to fuck over the poors as a mercenary for some other asshole’s wealth. It’s to fuck over the poors for his own interest.

Dude already was a Goldman Sachs banker. There’s not many depths he hasn’t already plumbed.

reddig33 ,

That outfit looks like it was purchased by a stylist and the tags were removed just before taking this picture. “Make sure you pull up the sleeves so it looks like you’re hard working!”

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

…easier to eat his manwich sandwiches…

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