There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

'There Are No Kings in America': Biden Blasts Supreme Court, Issues Dire Warning After Immunity Ruling

“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”

Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.

rottingleaf ,

Kill them! Do it!

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

The British The British

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If only Biden was in power right now. And he could abuse his kingly powers to remove the kingly powers and restore Democracy.

But of course this is an amazing carrot to keep everyone voting for Genocide Joe. Just like how Obama refused to encode Roe v Wade to use it as a carrot in the elections.

Valmond , (edited )

jEnOsIdE

Edit: like that’s what defines him and not all american presidents since decades. Grow up and critic the man for what he’s different in at least.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Blue MAGA doesn’t believe in Genocide of course.

Biden: What’s happening in Gaza ‘is not genocide’

President Joe Biden on Monday sought to reassure Jewish voters that he stands firmly with Israel, calling for the full defeat of Hamas and denouncing the International Criminal Court’s assertion that Israel’s leaders are guilty of war crimes for their campaign in Gaza.

i_ben_fine ,

They either don’t believe it’s happening or support, so all the “Trump would do worse genocide” is bullshit.

SaltySalamander ,

You're super transparent to anyone with a functioning cerebellum.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Sorry mate this is just bonkers.

casino ,

Have you heard of the congress… You know, the legislation branch of the USA?

KeenFlame ,

Yeah that’s how it works, a magic wand

BluescreenOfDeath ,

Because the president had unilateral authority to make laws, right?

Nevermind Mitch McConnell standing up in the senate and saying they’d refuse to cooperate with Obama, it’s Obama’s fault.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yep. It was all one giant act of pretending not to have power to fix things. Because they don’t want to fix things.

Trump took off the mask and proved it. And now the Supreme Court confirmed and publicly stated that the President can do whatever he wants.

BluescreenOfDeath ,

The power to make laws, like codifying Roe vs Wade, lies with congress.

I’m peeved about the SC ruling too, but they didn’t unilaterally hand over all governmental power to the executive.

zfr ,

Is he going to do anything about it or just promise he won’t use his dictatorial powers for evil?

inclementimmigrant ,

Dumbass and spineless Biden and Democrats. The supreme court literally just started that America had a king but this dumbass party would rather take some stupid fucking high road bullshit instead of playing the game to ensure the fascist fuck around and find out.

They don’t even have to resort to assassinations, they could really tell the IRS to audit 501© and remove their status from the churches and bullshit Republican charities, or tell the justice department to focus on domestic terrorism and corruption to fuck over Republican groups and representatives, or tell the FDA to allow the sale of raw milk.

Play the god damn game and be the fucking king if these corrupt justice says there’s a king.

Daxter101 ,

That is a guaranteed path to fascism.

I’m not gonna say that the chances are good, but if they refuse, and win, and then walk back the changes, maybe fascism can be averted.

If they walk into using these tools and normalise them even more, then when the other party gets the government again, you get a republican fascist, and if the other party never gets the government again, it’s because you got a “democrat” fascist.

Don’t race to the bottom, everyone loses there.

tigeruppercut ,

No, you use the fascist power granted by fascists to abuse the fascists who granted it in the first place. Power is the only thing that stops fascists. Start with a few nights in a black site for the justices who thought granting absolute power to the president was OK. If scotus already accepts fascism from their team it’s already too late for your plan to work.

Valmond ,

So fascist powers for the fascists, but not for the non-fascists.

Get rid of all thet right now with whatever means IMO.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

You can’t beat fascism by becoming fascist.

Valmond ,

How on earth is it becoming a fascist because you remove pro fascist laws?

That really is some mental gymnastics.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Arbitrarily rewriting laws you don’t like sounds pretty fascist to me.

Valmond ,

deleted_by_moderator

    •
    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    Of course it’s arbitrary.

    It doesn’t take much self awareness to realise that having a president pick and choose which SCOTUS rulings they think are ok, is exactly the type of authoritarian autocrat you’re trying to avoid.

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Removed, civility.

    SaltySalamander ,

    It's truly amazing that people apparently don't understand this.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    I think people think of fascism as specifically “murdering minorities” or something rather than a form of autocracy.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/94630c27-1347-4321-819c-d187f17e8519.jpeg

    TokenBoomer ,

    Exactly!👍

    Xenny ,

    You’re right, you beat fascism by rooting it out at the source and burning it and salting the ground so it can never take root again. I don’t think those are fascist ideals I think those are just normal moral ones.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    What does that even mean though?

    Xenny ,

    Right now all it means for the everyday citizen is shunning people socially. Letting people anguish in their own decisions. We as a society have decided it’s ok to let people rot in the street for the crime of having no support system. So we ignore and shun and show society those views are not ok. Let fascists rot. It’s the only real thing we can do right now other than take strong political stances and close off routes to fascism politically.

    fine_sandy_bottom ,

    This sounds an awful lot like doing nothing

    TokenBoomer ,

    then walk back the changes

    When have the Democrats ever shown us that they’ll do that?

    Roe? Voting Rights act? Hell, a Republican had to save ObamaCare.

    Democrats aren’t going to save us from FASCISM. The sooner everyone realizes this, the more prepared we’ll be to fight against it.

    SaltySalamander ,

    Well we have a 2 party system, and that ain't changing. So if not the Democrats, who?

    TokenBoomer , (edited )

    You can vote for Joe Biden while realizing the Democrats won’t save us, I will. We need workers to organize to build an alternative party to Democrats and Republicans. That’s why I don’t shun those that want to vote third party. We’ll never get a third party until we ask for it. The duopoly has us pigeonholed, and we have to break ourselves out, they’re not gonna do it for us.

    Excrubulent , (edited )
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    I honestly don’t know why anyone is strategising as if they’re on the same side as dems or any politician. I’m not even convinced we have a common enemy in Trump, because they don’t seem serious about beating him.

    The question you should ask when voting is “Who is my preferred enemy?” Biden won’t abuse the carte blanche immunity from criminal prosecution? Great, sounds like he’s the weaker enemy, so vote for him. Force him to keep the position he clearly doesn’t want. Force him to disappoint his base for another four years.

    While he’s doing that, get to work building alternatives that meet people’s needs from the bottom up and wean them off of this criminal system, to undermine it and prepare people to thrive as it crumbles.

    The great thing about this political theory of change is that it’s the same regardless of who’s in power. It decouples you from the capricious, disempowering shifts of electoral politics.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Theater needs to keep going.

    Both sides are the same.

    nova_ad_vitum ,

    Sounds dumber everytime you say it.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Can’t possibly sound dumber than people still buying this.

    TokenBoomer , (edited )

    But is he wrong? From Nixon, to Reagan, to Newt GIngrich, to Mitch McConnell to Trump, the Democrats have been feckless and refused to halt this march to fascism. They are complicit by tacit acceptance. This need to adhere to some vague Status Quo (Capitalist Donor Class) is why we are in this situation. It’s time to wake up and realize the Marxists were right all along. You can’t compromise with Capitalism.

    nova_ad_vitum ,

    Yes, he and you are obviously wrong. Even if everything you said was 100 percent true (lol) the people who failed to stop facism are obviously not the same as fascists themselves. Everything thinking person knows this , and Marx would too if he was alive.

    TokenBoomer ,

    the people who failed to stop facism are obviously not the same as fascists themselves.

    Superior Orders, or ignorance of what is happening, does not absolve one of responsibility.

    Since the 2020 election cycle began, “fascism” took on a plethora of new meanings, none of which actually accessed the ongoing material conditions surrounding the rise of fascism outside of the Republican Party. In fact, one could easily conclude that “fascists” and “republican” were interchangeable words if they paid close enough attention to the elections. But they are not. The confusion around fascism, weaponized by liberals to drive people to the voting polls, has disallowed any inspection of the primary role the Democratic Party (with its neoliberal, populist, and austerity police state policies) has played by sheltering and coddling this current iteration of fascism. source

    nova_ad_vitum ,

    Again, that is not the claim that was made. You can’t even stay on topic. I bet Marx could stay on topic .

    TokenBoomer ,

    Marx abused alcohol, so not sure. The Republicans are capitalists. The Democrats are capitalists. To Marxists they are the same. Liberalism fails because it cannot address the contradictions inherent to capitalism, inequality and wealth accumulation. Capitalism requires inequality for wealth accumulation.

    Social democratic reforms can alleviate the inequality and distribute the wealth more equitably, but, because it does not replace capitalism itself, it always falters.

    So, although Democrats and Republicans differ on social policy, they both defer to capitalism. Capitalism rules both parties.

    nova_ad_vitum ,

    The Republicans are capitalists. The Democrats are capitalists. To Marxists they are the same.

    Meaningful, important distinctions can exist even when Marxists are unable to recognize them.

    Social democratic reforms can alleviate the inequality and distribute the wealth more equitably, but, because it does not replace capitalism itself, it always falters.

    Explain? Because systems ultimately fail , it’s no good? Longevity and risilience are worthwhile considerations when designing and economic system to govern a civilization, but uktimate fallibility does not invalidate them entirely. More to the point, what evidence is there that Marxists societies do/would last longer?

    TokenBoomer ,

    Marxists recognize the distinctions. That’s why many, myself included, will vote for Joe Biden, despite him being a capitalist. Others take a more hardline stance and refuse to perpetuate the capitalist system. There are many ways to hinder capitalism.

    Social Democracies are better than laissez-fair capitalism. It’s just that capitalism, and capitalists tend to monopolize wealth and squeeze out social programs for more profit. Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if America accepted social democracy. And many would be just fine with that.

    Capitalism is a tool to shape society. Marxism is a tool to shape society. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Capitalism is great at growing an industrial economy and Marxism is better at serving the people. Capitalism has run its course, and we need a better vision for the world and it’s 8 billion people. The instability we see across the world is because capitalism serves profit over people.

    There are many examples of Marxists societies flourishing, it depends on how you measure. China uses Marxists doctrine and is doing quite well, as is Vietnam. And though some may see them as capitalist infused, their governments adhere to Marxists principles. The capitalist drive for profit and wealth is pernicious, and it will be interesting to see how it influences the Marxists governments.

    Capitalism’s end is inevitable. We cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. How it ends is up to us. Do we choose degrowth and sustainability, or militaristic fascist decay with war and death.

    TheGalacticVoid ,

    Can’t speak for previously, but recently, a good chunk of Democrats’ failures have been because of a select few members holding out, no?

    TokenBoomer ,

    Hasan Piker explains this quite well.

    TheFonz ,

    Noooo please. Not that imbecile grifter…

    TokenBoomer ,

    Attack the messenger if you don’t like the message. What did he say that was incorrect?

    graphikeye ,

    there’s always going to be different spoilers within the democratic party because they are created.

    This is a straight lie. It’s just feelings.

    A democrat representative from West Virginia represents a completely different electoral base than a democrat from California. So when the House is a slim d majority there are going to be spoilers. Labor reform (and others) has passed many times when Democrats had opportunities. Hassan has a political science degree and knows this. Unfortunately, he is captured by his audience and has to pander to them so he lives in conspiracy land. It’s all feelings and no substance.

    TokenBoomer , (edited )

    Like party whips don’t exist. They’re supposed to offer concessions to get bills passed. Pork Barrels are a thing. Stop defending these people, the planet is burning.

    “I’ve never been a liberal in any way,” said Manchin, adding that “all we need to do I guess for them to get theirs… is elect more liberals.”

    Polling has shown the Build Back Better plan is popular nationwide–and both political commentators and progressive activists have warned that not passing the full package could negatively impact Democrats at the ballot box next year.

    When a Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college, it’s not because of red states, it’s because the donor class doesn’t want those policies to pass.

    graphikeye ,

    I’m also glad we can pivot away from what a joke Hassan is.

    I think you’re reinforcing my original point: with just a slim majority a big party tent won’t accomplish much. These are just facts. I’m not defending the democrats – this is just reality.

    On another note: I’m curious about this prevalent binary invocation that happens on this site. You accused me of defending these people. I’m not interested in defending anyone --just discussing the facts. Why is everyone on Lemmy.world so intent on ascribing a team/position to everyone so earnestly? What is being gained with this tactic?

    TokenBoomer , (edited )

    I’m also glad we can pivot away from the fact that a Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college, even Republicans, but they can never get passed.

    I think you’re reinforcing my original point:

    The “party of the people” will pursue policies that may produce some minimal reforms for workers and the oppressed, but only as a by-product of its historic role to save the capitalist system from its own excesses in order to preserve the status quo. source.

    On another note : We are discussing the fact that Defending Democracy Through Elections Won’t Be Enough to Stop Fascism.

    Why is everyone on Lemmy.world so intent on ascribing a team/position to everyone so earnestly?

    Just a guess, but it might have something to do with immanent critique

    graphikeye ,

    Ok, I see what’s happening. Listen, I’m glad you discovered Marxist-Leninist theory and you feel the urge to re-contextualize everything through that narrative. It’s cool -I’m happy for you. I was there ten years ago. It’s good to have multiple perspectives to analyze history. What’s not good is to adhere to an exclusive narrative. I’m not here to discuss marxist-leninist theory though, I’m here to discuss the facts of the matter. It’s very simple and comfortable to sit here and reduce everything to class warfare. The real work happens in the details.

    If we analyze each bill that was blocked we can understand what were the causes. We can also analyze when progressive bills did pass and how that work happened. The real work is in the details. My initial statement stands true: with a slim majority in either house or senate, it’s going to take moving mountains to pass very progressive legislation. The reason is not class warfare or capitalists enforcing the status quo etc.

    Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

    This is true. But the voting block that actually shows up to polls is actually venn diagram that overlaps partially. Also, while democrats are busy constantly purity testing each other, Republicans have been able to refine their messaging and impose their draconian policies with impunity. I’m tired of hearing about this both sidesing and upholding the status quo constantly when none of you have any clue about the work or process involved in changing policy. Go participate in local politics and become involved so you can get first-hand knowledge and become more effective. Or sit here and keep telling me about the capitalist class. Maybe that’s easier --dunno.

    immanent critique

    Nah. Immanent critique has nothing to do with why people on Lemmy are so eager to ascribe labels to others. I think it has to do more with the fact that many users on this site are probably younger and can’t handle nuance. If they are confronted with an internal critique, then their first reaction is to categorize interlocutors as diametrically opposite. If you point out a flaw in Hamas’s warfare you are automatically a Zionist. If you bring up critiques of Marxist-Leninist theory, you are automatically upholding the status quo of capitalism. It’s a way to have chilling effect on discourse so as not to be confronted with an internal critique because when you are young, and your entire worldview depends on one exclusive framework you can’t risk shattering it. My desire for you as you grow is to learn to accept internal critiques (of whatever world framework you choose to adhere to) without resorting to otherising and also not be afraid to look at the facts of the matter. History is both in the micro and the macro. Don’t stick to just the macro.

    TokenBoomer , (edited )

    Sorry it took me so long to respond, I got lost in the details…

    As Rudolph Rucker writes in “Anarcho-syndicalism: Theory and Practice:”

    Participation in the politics of the bourgeois states has not brought the labour movement a hairs’ breadth closer to Socialism, but, thanks to this method, Socialism has almost been completely crushed and condemned to insignificance.

    But, again, Hasan explains it more generally, They keep saying , “Just Vote…”.

    TheFonz ,

    deleted_by_moderator

    •
    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah yes not understanding the small cultural differences of minority policies being used to pretend the difference between the sides while on the broader spectrum being the exact same. Not to forget when it comes to foreign affairs all brown people rights go out of the window.

    If both sides weren’t the same the Dems would make an effort to save the things you mentioned above. They’re not doing that.

    TheFonz ,

    deleted_by_moderator

    •
    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell me more about how israel is good.

    TheFonz ,

    deleted_by_moderator

    •
    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Competition breeds talent. We need some good new Hasbara bots over here israel isn’t even trying anymore.

    TheFonz ,

    Weak sauce. I’ve denounced Israel multiple times. I’m dissapointed.

    SaltySalamander ,

    Transparent.

    Kiernian ,

    they could really tell the IRS to audit 501© and remove their status from the churches and bullshit Republican charities

    That would be juuuuuust about the dumbest thing they could possibly do. It would mobilize gigantic swaths of voters who are heavily invested in rhetoric over fact-checking.

    Doing away with Roe mobilized many of those voters who could be considered to be fence sitters towards the left. Removing church tax exemptions would move them right back and it would do NOTHING to solve the problem, because while the actual big offenders are happily USING the hell out of that tax exemption, they’re rich enough that they’ll get along fine without it.

    It WOULD hurt a whole lot of TINY churches that employ 1-50 people per church and actually do community work, though. All of those would go away. That’s a LOT of rural food shelves.

    I’m largely against the religious tax exemption, but that’s a problem we should worry about AFTER we can replace the nationwide infrastructure we’d be dismantling by doing so with something at least as effective as what’s there now.

    TheGalacticVoid ,

    It also screws over the many churches or other religious organizations that genuinely do good for their communities

    nobleshift ,
    @nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

    deleted_by_author

    •
    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t understand why we aren’t in the streets.

    We were in the streets for Palestine and then some seriously bad shit happened.

    ArmokGoB ,

    Because people are spineless cowards that won’t meet the fascist police with armed force in the streets.

    electric_nan ,

    Not everyone needs to fight cops in the streets (respect and support to those that do!). There are other ways to fight as well: organizing strikes, sabotage, [redacted]. I think the main problem is that the fascism pot has been simmering for so long, that people are mostly used to it, and can no longer really imagine the alternative. We’re so isolated from each other, and desperate to survive that too many of us will “keep calm and carry on” as long as it isn’t our necks on the chopping block.

    colmear ,

    Isn’t that exactly the reason for the second amendment? From what I learned, it is not to go to the gun range because it’s fun, it is to fight the government if it goes rogue

    ArmokGoB ,

    It is, yes.

    uienia ,

    It is not. It is the interpretation right wing gunnits have claimed it is, so there is that I suppose…

    rottingleaf ,

    They are free to interpret it this way just as you are your way.

    It would be weird for a new polity, result of a winning rebellion against lawful government, and definitely against its laws (some people think one can rebel not breaking any laws, apparently, claiming there are legal and illegal rebellions), to not have this in mind frankly.

    And from the context of the second amendment we know that back then it was interpreted exactly as a militia that can fight against federal military.

    One can argue in theory that this doesn’t mean individual gun rights, just that states should have their own armies (national guard). One can’t argue that it’s not intended for rebellion, because it very openly was.

    rottingleaf ,

    TBF to fight a government that went rogue in our time you’ll need a whole lot more than knowing how to shoot a rifle.

    Field medicine. Chemistry. How to build underground shelters against airstrikes. How to make mortars and mortar shots in garage with commonly available tooling. Using FPV drones, of course. Using (and possibly making) AT shots. Maybe simple (Katyusha-level) artillery manufacturing. Making mines.

    That’s just some of the manufacturing knowledge you’ll need, it’s much more.

    Communications - something easy to get wrong.

    Then - tactics and teamwork, of course. It’s a lot to learn and requires lots of training.

    Logistics. Something which doesn’t seem as hard as the rest, while in fact the hardest.

    And I’m just mentioning things, one can write a book for every one of them.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I heard nothing bad happened and Joe Biden isn’t a fascist.

    linux2647 ,

    But I am le tired

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Then go have a nap… THEN FIRE ZA MISSLES!

    anticolonialist ,

    Always beware of the fact, that the only thing hindering an all-out revolution is your fear of losing the scraps they throw at you. Gore Vidal

    irotsoma ,
    @irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

    Because we’re exhausted and can’t afford to lose what little we all have. Even one day in jail can mean losing your job, even if charges are dropped. And a conviction could mean being stuck with only jobs that don’t pay a living wage for the rest of your life and few of us have enough savings to survive that for long.

    kaffiene ,

    Yeah. If this isn’t cause to strike, nothing is

    ZombieMantis ,
    @ZombieMantis@lemmy.world avatar

    The infrastructure for a national strike does not exist in America. You need a lot of labor to be organized, and it just isn’t. We can barely get individual facilities to go on strike, let alone an entire country. We used to, and that’s how we pressured politicians into the New Deal, but organized labor has been dismantled since then.

    As for why we’re not more like the French, a lot of it comes down to this: They have more unionized workers, as a fraction of the working population, than we do.

    Perhaps we forget, here on our islands of leftist beliefs, but the average American is not a radical Socialist, Communist, or Anarchist. They are not tuned-in closely to politics, they are not media literate, they are not part of any active organization besides maybe a local church. They’re not going to upend their lives over something they don’t understand, without any way to plan with their coworkers.

    rottingleaf ,

    We used to, and that’s how we pressured politicians into the New Deal, but organized labor has been dismantled since then.

    It’s the downside of very rapid economic and social development in USA as compared to France since then. When things are changing so fast, some you just lose, maybe don’t even think you need them anymore, and have to build them again.

    EDIT: And most of the planet is less conscious than the French for this matter.

    hempster ,

    Let me remind you of Civil Rights strikes and protests

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    "First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

    Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

    • MLK jr
    ours ,

    Terrible timing to bring up the French. They are scrambling to prevent the most right-wing turn since WWII.

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m reminded of all the “France Surrenders” memes I’ve seen. Meanwhile the French shut down their country at the suggestion of the retirement age increasing. An unelected group of 6 people decide your king president can do whatever they want with no consequence and Americans just shake their fists at the cloud complain online.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    Didn’t the French have to recently choose between a shitter who fucked them over (Macron) and putins nazi buddy (Le pen)?

    Man, we really are more alike then we realize.

    eldavi ,

    He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.

    yet he still won’t stop helping the genocide that would guarantee that he would win.

    schizoidman ,

    Rule 1 does not apply here?

    Letstakealook ,

    At this point, I think we just need to have civil war 2.0 and get it over with. It will be horrific, but unfortunately, they fucked up reconstruction after the first go around. I really don’t see another way out of this.

    iamjackflack ,

    There’s a simpler way, someone may need to perish. The vacuum left will eventually take care of itself as there’s no players strong enough to fill the void.

    psycho_driver ,

    Instead of issuing a scathing rebuke shouldn’t he just mount a posse and pay them a visit now that he can do whatever he wants?

    archchan ,

    deleted_by_author

    •
    aesthelete ,

    At what point do Americans use that 2nd Amendment against tyranny as it was intended? Or is that difficult because the wrong party and classes have most of the guns?

    People advocating for leftists to go out into the streets with firearms forget recent history:

    …wikipedia.org/…/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_…

    The supreme court just made this type of thing entirely legal as well. Not that it mattered. I have to Google the incident everytime because it didn’t even register as a blip on the national radar, but the feds likely executed this guy.

    I unfortunately don’t know what the answer is or if there even is one, but this country historically and certainly recently doesn’t take kindly to armed leftists.

    TopRamenBinLaden , (edited )

    I don’t think that case is a good comparison to a bunch of leftists taking up arms against the state. That was protestor on protestor violence and involved two people. Had nothing to do with a bunch of Americans standing up to a tyrranical government at once. The Marshall’s response was disgusting, but that’s to be expected with someone like Trump holding the reins.

    Some better examples would be MOVE in Philadelphia who got bombed, and the black panthers in California who got the Republican led government to make laws against the second amendment. Still, I think these groups were too small, we just need more people.

    You do bring up a good point, but we haven’t really tried, yet. It might be different when the feds are actually against a large group, but they will never be deterred by smaller groups. The problem is actually getting enough people to care enough. People are very attached to their bread and circuses, and I understand. The revolution would not be an enjoyable struggle.

    FreakinSteve ,

    What fucking “leftists”??? Where?? How is arming up against a fascist dictatorship “leftist”?? The simple fact is that Americans are spoiled fucking slobs who refuse to back up anyone that calls for resistance. On another platform I’m taking all sorts of heat from fucking brunchers who are terrified about trumpism but think arming up and being ready to defend self or neighbors makes me a barbaric ghoul and a “rittenhouse”.

    aesthelete ,

    What, pray tell, do you expect from online denizens in general? We aren’t generally on here to organize a revolution or counterrevolution, we’re on here to kill thirty minutes on break from work.

    And you’re on here too. If this shit is so important why are you here on memeville posting it up instead of actually doing anything about it?

    FreakinSteve ,

    I’m here to get a message out to people on break from their work

    retrospectology , (edited )
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    To be honest I’m pretty energized. Not for Biden obviously, but just glad to see Democrats actually shifting their asses and just for people to finally be piecing together the predicament that the Democratic establishment has put us all in. There’s potential for actual change here, even if it requires going through some chaos and pain.

    The pressure of the non-vote threat is actually being felt by party leadership and they appear to be delicately trying to create an environment that will allow Biden to accept that he needs to step down. It would actually be huge for the party’s health if they pulled it off.

    trafficnab ,

    We’re supposed to be evolving into a more free society… this is just going backwards.

    You have discovered the great fallacy, the presumption that democracy and freedom are the natural course of things: they are not. Every single inch of it we have was taken by force from kings and dictators, and they’re always waiting in the shadows for their opportunity to take it back.

    The peace dividend created by the end of the cold war has unfortunately made an entire generation of people who believe this fallacy, this is one of the glaring reminders that it’s not true. Democracy and freedom are things that must be actively maintained in perpetuity by everyone who wants them, we must be ready and willing to use all four boxes of democracy (soap, ballot, jury, AND ammo) to defend it for the rest of our lives. We must educate, we must vote, we must nullify unjust laws, and we must arm ourselves, because at the end of the day, violence is the one enforcement method that everyone is forced to listen to. It doesn’t matter how right you are if the other side has more people willing to kill and die for their cause than yours does, so we better damn well make sure that’s not the case.

    ZK686 ,

    So, you don’t think Obama and Clinton deserve some kind of immunity? Do you REALLY think they’re both completely innocent? Do you REALLY think their hands are clean?

    h3mlocke ,

    Maybe he should wield his newfound power instead

    Fades ,

    That’s just not true. If you are a fascist and rich, you are a king. You can commit crimes in broad daylight and nothing can be done about it.

    skulblaka ,
    @skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    There’s a very important difference here. If you’re fascist and rich, things can be done about your crimes. They are still crimes. Just nothing will be done.

    A president can now do what he wants and nothing CAN be done about it, period, barring an actual act of Congress.

    That’s an important distinction.

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Both are incredibly unsettling however.

    JasonDJ ,

    Yes but could you stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody?

    Could you publicly ask a foreign adversary to hack and release a political opponents emails? Or ask a group of white supremacists to stand by?

    Could you grab a lady by her vajayjay?

    SeattleRain ,

    If only he were in some position of power to do something about it hmmmmmm.

    Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

    Yeah, if only his party had control of the House.

    eldavi , (edited )

    – again

    they’ll still find some other excuse not to do anything the next time around.

    Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

    They impeached Trump twice. It’s not their fault the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority to convict and only 7 Republicans were willing to put country above party.

    anticolonialist ,

    And they will get enabled by democrats shielding their shitty politics

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Old enough to remember when Dems did control the House, but it didn’t do anything useful.

    spidermanchild ,

    Sure, assuming you don’t think the American rescue plan, bipartisan infrastructure act, CHIPS, IRA, and the first massive tranche of funding for Ukraine are useful. I don’t think you realize how short 2 years is for the legislature and how narrow the dem margin was. They achieved significantly more useful legislation than I thought possible. Unfortunately they didn’t codify Roe, overhaul SCOTUS, or harden our institutions against fascism, so maybe you’re right. Who knows what they could do with a larger majority and control of the House/Senate for 2 more years though - it would be fun to find out, if we could avoid getting all worked up blaming different people we mostly agree with and vote big against fascism.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    assuming you don’t think the American rescue plan, bipartisan infrastructure act, CHIPS, IRA, and the first massive tranche of funding for Ukraine are useful

    No more than the CARES Act or the PROSWIFT Act or the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 or the Hong Kong Autonomy and Uyghur Human Rights Policy Acts, under the prior administration. We’ve never had a problem issuing large bipartisan bailouts in the thick of a recession, rolling out buckets of cash for proxy wars, or pissing away trillions on expanding legacy highway infrastructure. This is not something unique that Biden brought to the table.

    Hell, Trump was even sending military aid to Ukraine as early as 2019. One could argue it was this military escalation and subsequent bombing of the Donbas that kicked off the war with Russia to begin with. Thanks for that!

    Unfortunately they didn’t codify Roe, overhaul SCOTUS, or harden our institutions against fascism

    Because they’re a party heavily populated with Pro-Life Democrats, they genuinely like the business-friendly / anti-regulatory bent to the SCOTUS, and they are more than happy to break bread with fascists just so long as the fascists can be used as proxies against enemies of US business interests at home and abroad.

    This isn’t a fucking accident. It is deliberate bipartisan consensus.

    Who knows what they could do with a larger majority and control of the House/Senate for 2 more years though

    Exactly what they did in 2009. Send trillions of new dollars to the privatized tech sector. Roll out new privatization schemes for the USPS and US Education System. Bailout failed banks. Increase the size and the authority of police agencies. And impose a host of new unfunded mandates on consumers - via tariffs, anti-union tax increases on health insurance, and private lending schemes - that only serve to degrade quality of life in pursuit of higher corporate profits.

    FFS, the lowest hanging fruit imaginable for the Democratic Party is DC Statehood. Easiest win imaginable to just hand yourself two free Senators and 3-4 new House Reps. And they won’t do it.

    spidermanchild ,

    You’re still making the mistake of treating dems like some single monolith. It’s a coalition of just about everything that isn’t MAGA at this point, covering all sorts of ideals, yours being just one small part. The answer is still “get a majority of reps that aren’t asswipes” and then we’ll get legislation we want.

    As to DC statehood, it would have gone through if not for Manchin because the Senate “majority” at the time hinged on his support. We need to win these seats with bigger majorities, period, and then they’ll pass better bills. The overwhelming majorty of Dems support DC statehood, saying “they won’t do it” is not a great take when they literally didn’t have the votes.

    eldavi ,

    that was only a few years ago and i’m going to assume you’re older than 10.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    If he jails some Republican reps, we’ll have the majority.

    TokenBoomer ,

    Like Matt Gaetz, who should be in jail. And MTG, who should be in jail. And Lauren Boebert, who should be in jail. And…

    JasonDJ ,

    He doesn’t. Impeaching judges is the House’s job.

    You know your house rep is up for election this year?

    realitista ,

    Yeah but now he’s above the law, so I say do it anyway and overturn the ruling his damn self.

    madjo ,

    It sets precedents that you might not want, because if Trump or one of his cronies get into the oval office, they can do the same thing.

    imPastaSyndrome ,

    T h e y a l r e a d y w i l l

    TokenBoomer ,

    This notion of appeasement to fascism will doom us all.

    JasonDJ , (edited )

    I think the problem is, if Dems do it first, they’re not better than the Republicans.

    Unilateral dictatorships are unilateral dictatorships no matter who does it.

    You can’t win in a game where one side insists on cheating and one side insists on following the rules. Our system of governance wasn’t designed for this level of factionhood. It should and could’ve been stopped the right way maybe 20 or 30 years ago. At the least, 8 years ago. And the very last chance was when Trump’s second impeachment made it to the Senate.

    But now, there’s no chance.

    It’s not even really “cheating” that the Republicans are doing. Most everything is getting a “legal” stamp of approval. Just in a shady way that clearly and defiantly goes against everything this country has ever been about.

    Hey I know another politician who was pretty popular for his time that did the same thing. Bright young man with a funny mustache.

    FreakinSteve ,

    OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY DONT YOU FUCKING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL ALREADY FUCKING DO THAT!!! THEY DO NOT NEED OR EVEN WANT DEMOCRAT PERMISSION OR PRECEDENT!!! Goddamn a you fucking milquetoast losers who defended free speech for Nazis all this time and got us in this fucking predicament!! You NEVER understand who you’re dealing with!!

    Buddahriffic ,

    If Trump gets back into office, it’s game over, unless the people are willing to fight a civil war to stop him. Though even that will probably be too little too late because of the power vacuum it will likely create on the world stage when WWIII already looks possible in the next decade.

    It might already be too late because I agree that Biden pushing his weight around with these new lack of presidential limits would get messy. But the cat is out of the bag right now and it’s not going to go quietly back in.

    Madison420 ,

    Legally … but the law doesn’t apply to the president so long as they’re doing it for a reason they believe to be official.

    trafficnab ,

    The ruling more or less explicitly states that Biden could go on national television, say “Won’t someone rid me of these troublesome justices?”, have them assassinated, and face no legal repercussions because using the bully pulpit is covered by presidential immunity

    Madison420 ,

    Farther. He could use the military or any branch of government to kill them and still get immunity. We now have a long, don’t get me wrong we always had some assumption that that’s how it went but seeing it on paper is an eye opener.

    Hell, he could sign literally every US asset over to anyone he pleases and there’s nothing we could do via a legal means. It’s not supposed to work that way but if no law constrains the office then the office is simply free to do literally whatever they want.

    Akuden ,

    The law applies to the president always.

    Here is what this ruling is for -

    First - if I order an enemy of the US dead I can be prosecuted.

    The president orders an enemy dead. That enemy is killed. The president cannot be prosecuted for that act.

    What this ruling does - the president may also not be prosecuted for that act after they leave office.

    That’s all this does. That’s it. If the president kills a maid in the White House he or she will go to prison because that is against the law and not within the duties of the office.

    Madison420 ,

    It doesnt.

    Nope.

    Agreed.

    No or means they can’t be prosecuted for it ever so long as it was under the guise of an official act.

    Nope, that maid was a spy and deserved what she got.

    madcaesar ,

    Time to use these powers to clear out the Supreme Court and put in non corrupt assholes.

    FlaminGoku ,

    Throw them in the same bin as the traitors still in office that helped orchestrate Jan 6.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • [email protected]
  • random
  • lifeLocal
  • goranko
  • All magazines
    •