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Pope uses homophobic slur in meeting with bishops — reports

Italian media has said that the pope used a highly derogatory slur against LGBTQ+ people at a bishops conference. The remark may sour attempts by the pope to make the church more welcoming.

Pope Francis allegedly used a highly offensive term to refer to LGBTQ+ people during a closed-door meeting with Italian bishops, Italian media reported on Tuesday.

The major Italian daily newspapers La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera both cited anonymous sources as saying that the pope had made the remark while reiterating his position against gay people becoming priests.

The 87-year-old pontiff was reported as saying that the Catholic seminaries were already too full of “frociaggine” — a highly derogatory term in Italian.

Fades ,

FUCK THE POPE, the old geriatric fuck.

Bluefalcon ,

Few things, 1 He has done a lot for the LGBTQ community when it comes to the church ( allows the community to be blessed in church, supporting them to join the church).

2 I’m sure these was released by a “concerned” bishop instead of someone pissed at him.

3 Fuck all religion but the leaders need to follow his public example and support the LGBTQ community. Instead they stoke the flames. Be as rasicts, homophobic, or whatever as you want in your private life, I dont give 2 fucks. This coming from someone that looks white but is mix and grew up in Tennessee. Its when they try and push their shit on everyone else that i have an issue.

Fades ,

wow he’s so great, he let’s LGBTQ people exist in the church’s vicinity.

Bluefalcon ,

He could be calling for their deaths or blaming them for everything. Progress is done by small changes not massive changes. Is he still shitty, yes. Is he better than most other popes, yes.

Phegan ,

The woke pope ain’t that woke

mojofrododojo ,

well, compared to the last hitler youth…

mrmule ,

Did Popey Mc Pope get all fatty Mc fat? Too much pasta me thinks

Gennadios ,

This really isnt any different than Grandpa calling the cashier at the Piggly Wiggly a ‘colored’.

Macaroni_ninja ,
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I heard many bishops were offended and took it as a personal attack.

skozzii ,

I see no problem in our current strategy of letting senile old people run the world…

hamFoilHat ,

So, instead of saying, “Catholic seminaries were already too full of [bundle of sticks]” instead he meant to say that “Catholic seminaries were already too full of homosexuals”. I’m not sure fixing the one word helps his message or is actually even the problem.

The term he used is being censored on here so I used a substitute.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

The leader of an oppressive organized religion? Using slurs? Say it ain’t so!

gregorum ,

He has since issued an apology:

“The Pope never intended to offend or express himself in homophobic terms, and he extends his apologies to those who felt offended by the use of a term, as reported by others,” the Vatican said in a Tuesday statement.

“As he (Pope Francis) has said on several occasions, ‘in the Church there is room for everyone, everyone! No one is useless, no one is superfluous, there is room for everyone. Just as we are, everyone.’”

Seems like they’re playing it off as “grandpa had a woopsie”.

NOT_RICK ,
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Italian isn’t his first language, so it’s possible, but I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

gregorum ,

All things considered, I am. He’s old, Italian isn’t his first language, and he has a history of progressive changes in favor of the lgbtq+ community. I’m more inclined to believe it was a mistake than to think it was intentional or malicious. Especially given how quickly an apology has been issued.

bisby ,

the pope had made the remark while reiterating his position against gay people becoming priests.

It doesn’t matter what word he used, he was using it in an anti LGBT sentiment.

The 87-year-old pontiff was reported as saying that the Catholic seminaries were already too full of … gay men.

Here, I removed the slur. This isn’t any better. Italian fluency wasn’t the problem and didn’t change his argument.

gregorum ,

It doesn’t matter what word he used, he was using it in an anti LGBT sentiment.

i think it does matter wrt what he actually said or intended to say. whether he’s being homophobic in his position regard gay clergy isn’t a matter of debate: he is.

the issue is that he claims not to have intended to use an offensive term, and apologizes for the offense cause by the term. That i’m willing to believe. i’m not debating his gay clergy policy, which i obviously agree is bigoted.

bisby ,

You’re right, it’s very likely he wasn’t intending to use a slur. But it seems to me like a lot of the reporting is “he didn’t mean to disrespect people!” when that’s not the case. The pope’s intentions were absolutely to disrespect people, just by his actions, and not by that specific word. the specific phrasing he used to do so doesn’t really matter.

nefonous ,

That specific word in Italian has multiple meanings, one of which being something like “excessive/useless detail or addition, especially when done for the cool factor only” and another being “gayness”.

Without the full context of the sentence, it’s very hard to say what he meant or what he was saying.

Of course the word is still originating from the slur and shouldn’t be used by the pope, but it’s technically possible that wasn’t even used in relation to any minority (just as much as the opposite)

Unless I missed some extra info or source that has the full context, it’s hard to say

Cano ,

For those wondering, the word can be roughly translated in english as ::: spoiler Faggotry :::

Esit: can’t figure out how to mark something as spoiler correctly

A_A ,
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Noun - - frociaggine - - (plural frociaggini)

(...)(vulgar, derogatory) f a g g o t r y

…
en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/frociaggine

NOT_RICK ,
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FYI I think your reply is getting automatically censored due to the slur even though you’re just trying to provide context

Cano ,

You mean the whole thing? Or just the word?

NOT_RICK ,
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Just the word. Says “removedry”

Cano ,

Ok that’s actually quite funny, can you give me a screenshot?

NOT_RICK ,
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Yup, here you go

catloaf ,

Looks fine from here, must be your instance.

The spoiler is also broken for me, but that’s my client.

Cano ,

Thanks!

TonyTonyChopper ,
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that’s your lemmy instance. looks normal to me on Mander

NOT_RICK ,
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Didn’t realize til today, thanks

CatZoomies ,
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Former Catholic, now atheist. I’m glad the Pope is making some progressive steps in the Catholic Church including the LGTBQ+ community.

I hope this was a misstep, and the case of a 90-year old man from a different country using language that he was not aware is a slur. I really really hope that, or else all that good will was for nothing.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Don’t hold out hope

BruceTwarzen ,

I'm so glad the pedophile ring is invluding the lgtbq+ community. They are so nice and progressive. If i were gay, the first thing i'd wish for is that the pedos like me.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I “meet” a gay religious Catholic once online and my brain is still recovering from it.

Why? Why? It makes no sense.

SqueakyBeaver ,

When seemingly everyone in your life is telling you lies about “oh we just hate the sin, not the sinner”, it’s really hard to see it for what it is That and some very specific parts of Catholicism and Christianity in general are very comforting. Also, if you were born into it, breaking away could mean losing everyone close to you or having to put up with people trying to convert you back

kux ,

Get raised catholic, turn out gay. What’s to make sense of? Lots of religious followers cherry pick the bits of text they like and disregard the rest, why should gays be any more rational?

afraid_of_zombies ,

I can’t think of a single institution that has done as much damage to the LGBT as the RCC.

candybrie ,

But if you truly believe in the religion, what does that change?

Like I can absolutely abhor some of the things people have done in the name of medicine and often are still doing, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop going to doctors when I’m sick. Because I fundamentally believe in medical science and that I’m more likely to die without them. If you are raised catholic, there’s a good chance you fundamentally believe your eternal life is better if you continue to follow the religion. Sure, I probably have more proof, but their belief is just as strong.

kux ,

maybe so from a first world perspective, not that they’ve been idle in developing nations. but plenty of governments don’t need the pope’s say so to criminalise non-heterosexuality

humandignitytrust.org/…/map-of-criminalisation/

afraid_of_zombies ,

I mean single institution. They have been around for almost 20 centuries.

beefbot ,

Look, apologist for people who justify raping small children, then slur was intentional, and you’re being eye-rolling naive in the most generous reading of your comment

pixeltree ,
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The world is a much better place if you don’t whip yourself into a frenzy at every opportunity.

Omgboom ,

Yes, that slur lol

Jessvj93 ,

It’s Italian for “/f@ggotness”

dream_weasel ,

Intentional? Or old man being old?

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/378f66c8-ea14-4fe2-9a60-c20af25479c1.png

megane_kun , (edited )

There’s this saying “a fish is caught through its mouth,” and this is an illustration of what it means. This pope might present this ‘cool’, ‘modern’ image to the public, but his words spoken in private amongst his peers reveals his real stance about these things.

Edit:‌ proofreading.

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