Absolutely disgusting.
Poor nurses trying to save lives and they're paid back by having these racist EDL cunts throwing rocks at them.
Should get Keir Starmer send these pieces of shit over to Rwanda instead, and see how long they last.
As @theskyisfalling said, these are the same ignorant arses that brought us Brexit, and continue to make our country look like an absolute laughing stock on the world stage.
I hate that I have to share a country with these people.
The UK that I grew up in was multicultural, and proud of it. And now this.
So much misplaced anger. Yes the economy is fucked, and your life is probably in the shitter, but immigrants aren’t the ones to blame for this. Blame the 1%
So much misplaced anger. Yes the economy is fucked, and your life is probably in the shitter, but immigrants aren’t the ones to blame for this. Blame the 1%
Which doesn’t suit the 1% hence all the misdirection of people’s anger. They learned their lesson during the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution drove home the fact that it can happen again and they’ve been running scared since.
Oh yeah, of course. The rich have done a very good job of deflecting blame and convincing people the blame lies elsewhere. Excellent marketing and diversionary tactics.
That is one if the most annoying aspects - they’re being played and either don’t known or don’t care. Some people want to wreck things and aren’t that picky about the motivation.
You know, the funny thing is, that these Global South/Third World migrants, most of them have migrated mainly because the Global North’s countries decided to dominate these migrants’ countries through unequal exchange/resource and labor exploitation, such as the Philippines, which is the reason they came here in the first place; to escape poverty!
Don’t they just shed their human suits every now and again?
Joking aside, It’s never about the individuals, it’s the system of greed and vested interests. Once the robber barons get their hooks in they can be difficult to shake off this side of the guillotine or firing squad.
The UK that I grew up in was multicultural, and proud of it. And now this.
Was it?
I fully support multiculturalism, but these cunts have existed for decades, whether it’s the national front, Britain first, EDL, BNP, etc.
The only difference between then and now is that back in the early 2000’s we treated these cunts like nutters and didn’t entertain their delusions. They were treated like you’d treat anyone with extreme views - with caution and distance.
I put the blame 100% on politicians and newspapers who pandered to the racists and dressed racism up as “legitimate concerns” in order to stoke up anger and get votes. Their policies gave us Brexit and now this shit. Wankers.
They absolutely deserve the blame, but the point is that these people have always existed, and probably in much larger numbers than we’d like to believe.
A lot of people seemingly believe that the UK went from a country that loves all immigrants to a hate-filled country in just over a decade of Tory rule, but all that has happened is the government and the media have informed the public that extreme views are welcome in society.
IMO what needs to happen is a swift push from the government to say “no, violent protest will result in prison” AND actually fucking stopping them. The police know ahead of time where people are protesting, and the second so much as a can is thrown at a building the police should be making arrests - hundreds of them. Doing anything else sends a message that peaceful protest results in jail time, whereas torching an immigration law firm or hotel is fine.
Yeah, I grew up in East London. I remember clearly in the 80s my Sikh PRIMARY SCHOOL classmate, was beaten up by national front thugs. Yeah, primary school kids were fair game.
People like this have always existed. Make no mistake, they're always on the periphery, waiting for an excuse to use as the thinnest veneer of their main intention, just to come out and start a fight.
So much misplaced anger. Yes the economy is fucked, and your life is probably in the shitter, but immigrants aren’t the ones to blame for this. Blame the 1%
I think it’s a misconception that these people are angry at immigrants for economic reasons. They’re angry at immigrants because they’re racists.
They are without a doubt using whatever they can as an excuse to be their racist selves. Unfortunately the media and Facebook/WhatsApp echo chambers exacerbate the issue further, working these Neanderthals into a violent frenzy
These cunts are the ones that should be put on some disgusting prison barge before being forced onto an aeroplane and sent off to Africa not the poor people that risk their lives to try and come here to seek asylum.
See how long they last last over there with their pathetic way of thinking. We lost our membership in the EU because of ignorant fucking idiots like this, now we have to put up with this kind of bullshit. This country is a fucking joke, these ignorant white English cunts need to fuck off.
True. It was more a reference to them wanting asylum seekers shipped off to Rwanda (I think it was), but in reality I don’t wish these people upon anyone.
This joke may have been lost in cultural translation. He’s most likely referring to G.I.Joe since in the cartoon they were always fighting the organization called Cobra. Don’t think it was meant as anything else unless I’m missing something.
Britain’s nuclear submarine engineers use software that was designed in Russia and Belarus, in contravention of Ministry of Defence rules, The Telegraph can reveal.
German media has reported that the Russian controlled ‘Navi-Sailor 4100’ has been installed on at least 100 vessels operated by Germany’s military, including the submarine fleet
Bild reports here that in 2005, under Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, around one hundred vehicles, including aval platforms, were equipped with new navigation systems from Russian company Transas.
Remote support 24/7 chart and service support with a complete history of records and remote diagnostic option
Connectivity + Cyber security
Those seem like things that maybe it’d be a good idea to get from somewhere that isn’t Russia.
I remember poking around a while back when that story broke and discovering:
The Navi-Sailor package directly connects to radar and positioning systems, so there are external radios interfacing with it. That is, their behavior can depend on what they receive from an externally-accessible radio, even independent of any explicit datalink systems.
The supported maps by the Navi-Sailor package include formats specified to permit flagging map information as classified, including classification COSMIC (which is specifically used for information shared at NATO level that’s TOP SECRET-level and disclosure of which would be “gravely damaging to NATO”). Now maybe the German Navy does a really great job of restricting what information goes to the software, but I sure wouldn’t bet on it.
It’s driving their warships. Lot of room for things to go badly there.
5 years for one of them IIRC, although their case was more complicated than Reddit/Lemmy comments often state. Reddit/Lemmy often says they got 5 years for peacefully protesting, however:
the protestors affected emergency services
the protesters were repeat offenders
the protesters said they are glad they broke the law
the protester who got the longest sentence was in contempt of court and got arrested again during the court case
the protestor who got the longest sentence was continually rude to the judge and constantly tried to create drama in the courtroom, generally a terrible idea.
the protester who got the longest sentence said he would commit more crimes, he would never stop, and he couldn’t wait to get out there and commit more crimes.
the protestor who got the longest sentence said, about an ambulance that got stuck in the traffic jam that he conspired to cause, that he’d rather the patients in ambulances die than let a single ambulance through
5 years is a long time, but at the same time, wtf did he expect to happen? The judge to say “oh cool mate, go on now, leave my courtroom and commit more crimes. Boys will be boys! What a little scallywag!”? He left the judge with little choice but to come down on him hard.
Goes without saying that I want the thugs arrested, of course. But let’s not misrepresent the JSO trial.
E: People you can disagree with the length of the sentence, or think that the protestors are good, without trying to suppress the facts of the court case. Even when I disagree with something, I don’t go around peddling misinformation about it.
Cars affect them way more, so if anything JSO would prolly in the long term make things better for them.
the protesters were repeat offenders
Based.
the protesters said they are glad they broke the law
Based.
the protester who got the longest sentence was in contempt of court and got arrested again during the court case
Based.
the protestor who got the longest sentence was continually rude to the judge and constantly tried to create drama in the courtroom, generally a terrible idea.
Based. Being a judge prosecuting fucking climate protestors is the real crime.
the protester who got the longest sentence said he would commit more crimes, he would never stop, and he couldn’t wait to get out there and commit more crimes.
Unreal, I don’t even know the guy but have enormous respect for him. Thanks for sharing this.
Saying Based isn’t a counter argument. Please come up with some of your own opinions and demonstrate how you arrived at them or shut the hell up.
You’re as bad as the thugs, you let somebody else tell you what your opinion should be and you don’t actually know why they’re your opinions, because you’ve just absorbed them from the ether, and did not arrive at them on your own, so you just shout at people without any idea about why you’re angry at them. Grow up.
Idk what to say? Corporate terrorists who shit up our planet from oil execs to their political lackeys all deserve to be put to the sword. Someone bringing attention to that in a legal system that serves capitalist interests in such a brazen, dedicated fashion is a hero of mine.
This is my original opinion I’ve come to over many years from being a dedicated establishment defender concerned with “civility” and broadly unaware of the concept of negative peace that serves the purpose of denying justice to those affected, then to moderate “shit sucks but neither side is right” to now radicalized, and I know exactly why my opinion is that way - it is witnessing the collapse of this country in real time that got me to open my eyes to the fact things here are run by thieves who steal from us all tangibly and less so, from the landleeches who leech off labour when we have enough excess housing to house everyone right now, literally solving homelessness, to the oil execs who leech off our very planet - a planet that it’s very hard to argue does not belong to all of us, and when the system fails to account for this it is a failed system, and thus direct action outside of the justice system run by and for those same thieves is almost always justified - nay - morally required.
Personal opinion isn’t relevant here, that’s what you do not sit here to understand.
The sentence they got was based on the things they did and the way they conducted themselves in the courtroom. You cannot complain that their sentences were too long without also accepting that they hold some responsibility for the length of their own sentences. Whether you believe that’s moral or not is utterly irrelevant.
Actually it’s the only thing that’s relevant. In your opinion legal = good and well-behaved=good, but not in mine.
If a system like ours denies change and justice, then it doesn’t deserve people cowtowing before it.
Real justice is about the why, and the broader context as much as it is about the what. A ransomware gang in Russia stealing from grandma is obviously not the same as a single mother stealing formula to feed her child. By your logic If the mother is upset and doesn’t think highly of the system, she gets a stricter sentence. Needless to say - this is absurd.
I feel like this is morality 101, no offense. I doubt you actually believe that context shouldn’t matter, but that’s how it comes off.
Needless to say, I think the sentencing should take into account not how you ‘conducted yourself’ but why you did what you did. I’ll agree that we disagree.
No it’s not my opinion. Your problem is that you think that everyone is fighting you, well they are not, we’re just pointing out that personal beliefs are not the same as legal truth. I just don’t like disingenuous people who seem to think that because you want something to be the case it actually is the case.
Whether I like the law or not or whether you like the law or not isn’t relevant. You can’t break the law and expect anything other than prison time and fines, just because you think you have some moral authority. It’s not my problem if you don’t like it.
Cars affect them way more, so if anything JSO would prolly in the long term make things better for them.
You can’t be serious. People purposely blocking a motorway that’s critical for emergency services are less at fault for blocking emergency services than a person in a car or bus in your eyes?
Based.
That’s not a legal defence.
Based.
Dunno why you replied to the same line twice, but see above.
the protesters said they are glad they broke the law
See above.
Based.
See above. And no, being in contempt of court isn’t based.
Based. Being a judge prosecuting fucking climate protestors is the real crime.
No it’s not based. It’s stupidity. Insulting the judge handling your trial is moronic.
And no, judges prosecuting people guilty of committing a crime, whether you believe the charge is worthy or not, isn’t a crime. It’s their job.
Unreal, I don’t even know the guy but have enormous respect for him. Thanks for sharing this.
Funny. I feel the opposite. I was sympathetic to him before I looked into the facts and saw how much of a moron he is. The disservice he’s doing to the climate debate is immense. I hope he has a good think about his actions while he’s in prison.
He literally said he wanted people in ambulances to die due to the traffic jam FFS.
My God you are utterly pathetic individual. You actually think that your personal opinion is the same as objective reality. Either you have an ego the size of a small continent or you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.
I honestly suspect it to be the latter, your response to me was basically copy paste eco warrior bullshit. None of it has any real recognition of the challenges faced by changing, or any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement. All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.
I don’t actually really care that much about the climate and I’m pro-natural-exploitation so long as the spoils of it are shared evenly amongst the proletariat (present and future, so including some degree of preservation), but if some pathetic centrist system-defender wants to label me an eco-warrior I’ll wear it with pride.
challenges faced by changing
Aww, profits go down? What a shame. Degrowth would be such a bad thing what will I do without the AI crypto meta verse being made in 2 years :(
any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement.
A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise of a rapist being allowed to “rape a little bit” lmao it is an acknowledgment that one party is 100% right, and the other is absolutely fucking wrong.
All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.
I don’t really care if you don’t believe this shit, I think you should consider it, my zealous advocatry for one side I believe is right is not a moral condemnation of opposing and especially not more moderate-but-broadly-in-agreement individuals, it is a condemnation of the system.
The le evil socialists that comprise little more than half of Gen-Z in the UK aren’t out to get some slobby middle manager’s Toyota Camry, he’s just part of a system, they’re there for those who embezzled billions to actively enforce the system.
A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise
If you have to descend to erroneously equating the situation to rape then you’ve lost the argument. You cannot rely on an emotional response to an intellectual exercise it’s not only dishonest it’s also unhelpful.
The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition. We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.
I would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle. Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.
“Breaking the law and getting arrested for it is literally 1984”
Do you even know what being in Contempt of Court is?
Do you think, for example, that not turning up to court shouldn’t go against you? Or purposely trying to derail the trial? Or defying court orders? Or disclosing details of an ongoing court case, risking the entire case being dismissed? We have laws for a reason.
I suppose you must love people like Tommy Robinson, who has on multiple occasions been charged with contempt of court? Is he “based”? Is it Orwellian to bring criminal charges to him?
I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.
I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.
Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.
The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.
I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.
That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.
I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.
They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?
Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.
Killing people is fine?
The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.
You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.
That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.
Fee-fees != Morality, context, nuance
They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?
It’s a shitty situation. They are not being listened to, what are they supposed to do? Idk I’m not them I can’t unpack all that, but somehow I doubt they have genuine contempt for random people in ambulances.
Killing people is fine?
Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.
You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.
Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.
The problem is that when you let only bad guys use hypocrisy, they win.
Christ. Imagine defending someone who says that they’d rather let people in ambulances die than let them through. Yikes. I can’t even comprehend being that hateful.
Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.
Nope. People in ambulances needing hospital treatment.
Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.
Yawn.
People being charged for crimes they’ve committed isn’t fascism.
The mother of the person who was jailed said it was wrong as it meant her son wouldn’t be able to attend a wedding in America, which was retweeted by JSO. Absolutely hilarious for two reasons:
they think they (because they’re wealthy posh twats) shouldn’t be interrupted or made late for things, yet they are happy to make others late for things (such as being rushed to fucking A&E)
they are fine with rich people getting flights, but not poor people
We’re done here. I don’t want to talk to someone who thinks leaving people to die needlessly in ambulances is a good thing. If that really is what gets your dick hard, you need help.
There’s a lot of simmering anger, resentment and frustration in many communities in this country. It’s been building for years. The stabbing of those poor girls at their dance class by the son of Rwandan immigrants seems to have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
This isn’t just the EDL (an organisation which disbanded more than a decade ago), this is thousands of English people who are furious. We can try and understand the sources of that fury, and then begin the work to resolve it, or we’ll keep getting these sorts of horrid outbreaks of ugly violence.
We don’t know the details yet. But, if this stabber was a white kid, we’d all be talking about mental health. Non-white kids of immigrants can also have mental health issue. But the worse of the country jump straight to racism, blaming the culture of the immigrant. If this lad grew up here, he has been surrounded by our culture. If there is mental health issues, it’s our fault it wasn’t caught in time. If he went mental for cultural reasons, we can’t wash our hands of that either. If we want assimilation, we can’t other people.
According to the article he was sent the images by another man, he repeatedly asked the man not to send underage images, and he didn’t keep the images or forward them. He was charged with making indecent images of children and pleaded guilty. Does this mean that anyone who is sent such images can be legally guilty of this, even if they don’t request or want the images and delete them right away? Could malicious parties use this to get anyone they choose into trouble by sending them images? Or are there other considerations that go into making such a charge?
According to the Crown Prosecution Service, making indecent images can have a wide definition in the law and can include receiving them via social media.
Edwards’s barrister Philip Evans KC told the court: “There’s no suggestion in this case that Mr Edwards has… in the traditional sense of the word, created any image of any sort.”
I suppose the facts that he a) retained some of the images, b) didn’t report having received them and c) continued talking to the man has some bearing on his charges.
I’ve heard these grandiose announcements over the last 15 years where it is already known that rural areas have rubbish broadband. Plans were announced, huge amounts of money were given to telcos , usually BT, and nothing happens in the rural areas but towns and cities get super fast fibre.
The telcos do not want to upgrade Comms infrastructure in rural areas as they are invariably sparsely populated so the profits don’t exist. But they’re happy to take the tax-payers money though.
With the onset of mobile phones, wired/fibre solutions become increasingly expensive and less likely in such areas and we’re still waiting for a decent signal.
Just as a counter: I live in a very rural part of the country, pretty sparsely populated and yet I get 1Gbps fibre. There’s a new company rolling out in the area promising 10Gbps, it’s kind of insane. So these programs do work.
I don’t expect to reach retirement age as it will keep increasing. If I do make it that far, I expect having to work so long to get there that I will be pretty much a husk of a human.
That isn’t to say I’m not paying into one, but I probably am in the ‘not adequately saving’ group because I want to enjoy the time I have now as best I can.
The future is terrifying and causes a lot of anxiety…
Edit: also wasn’t the state pension supposed to cover a basic retirement!? Fuck.
I have known plenty of young people who had a phase of self hatred who thought being trans can fix their problem. Unsurprisingly it didn’t. Thankfully many of them snapped out of it before they could get their hands on medication/surgery.
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