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JohnSmith , in Far-right disorder in England is at ‘turning point’ after arrests, say police

The coming weekend will tell us whether the edge is gone.

Emperor OP , in Far-right disorder in England is at ‘turning point’ after arrests, say police
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I think that handing out decent amounts of jail time has made a lot of the boneheads stop and “think”.

You can, perhaps, see Starmer’s time as Director of Public Prosecutions showing here as he has ensured the system kicked up a gear quickly and started showing meaningful results within days.

Emperor OP , in Elon Musk shares fake news about England rioters being sent to Falklands
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From the article:

The Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital NHS trust said in a post on Thursday that it was closing its account on X after 13 years because the platform is “no longer consistent with our Trust values”. It directed followers to Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn.

Good start but the UK government needs to knock Xitter on the head. I’ve previously posted about it here. I wonder if it is worth starting a petition…

palordrolap ,

It directed followers to Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn.

Three more piles of manure, two from the same stable. There's no accounting for taste.

Emperor OP ,
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It was disappointing. It’s like they are so close to making the leap and yet they have tripped over their own feet.

br3d ,

The thing is, they’re now just using platforms owned by Meta and Microsoft, both arguably awful corporations in their own way. Choosing Zuckerberg over Musk is out of the frying pan and into the fire in my opinion. They really should go to Mastodon, I guess?

Charzard4261 , in Elon Musk shares fake news about England rioters being sent to Falklands

Obviously he doesn’t spend enough time causing issues for his own companies and country, that he has to try and stir shit across the pond to cure his boredom.

How about doing something good with that spare time for once?

nickb333 ,
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He (and his platform) are a distraction. There are more important things happening that people are missing.

dirtybeerglass , in Elon Musk shares fake news about England rioters being sent to Falklands
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  • 20 years ago he was no one.
  • 15 years ago he promises people cars that drives themselves, other magical toys. Never builds them. People agree he is a visionary inventor
  • 10 years ago starts talking about living on Mars. Gets into argument with astrophysicists. Now widely considered an expert on space, thanks to media. Remains wildly unqualified to even speak on the matter.
  • 5 years ago - now he’s an AI expert and people want to know his views on the future of humanity. starts chirping on politics. Now having direct conversations with government ministers about political ideologies.

He Plays people like a fiddle. Not seen anyone this skilled at peddling tripe since Jesus.

When he’s Earth President, don’t say no one told his method.

palordrolap ,

At the risk of ripping off a quote often attributed to Gandhi:

Jesus had some great ideas. The people that follow him, not so much.

breadsmasher , in Elon Musk shares fake news about England rioters being sent to Falklands
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How long will xitter be allowed to run as stormfront 2.0?

DJDarren , in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise

Was quite pleased to see the fash outnumbered at least ten to one in Southampton last night.

We’ve got quite a large Eastern European immigrant population, so it’s nice that the city turned out so well.

FearsomeJoeandmac ,
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the people who hate the muslims generally arent too fond of poles either. at least from what ive seen. see videos of drunk idiots harassing poles in the UK as well.

DJDarren ,

Yeah, that’s why I’m quite pleased at the city’s showing.

apotheotic , in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise

I can only hope that the right wing protesters that were blocking a main road will face the same heavy punishment that was doled out to Just Stop Oil for the same thing. If they’re gonna jail climate protesters for it, they better damn well jail the fashs for it.

HumanPenguin ,
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Worth considering. The law states that blocking traffic must be willful. So fairly easy to argue just atop oils whole purpose was to stop oil using cars.

I did not see these protests. So the question is were the (terrorist in the case of the fash) protestors of either side attempting to block traffic or doing so as a result of gathering.

apotheotic ,

From BBC’s live coverage:

A group of anti-immigration protesters blocked a major road in Portsmouth.

Up to 200 protesters, some holding union flags and chanting “save our kids”, repeatedly blocked Mile End Road, just outside the city’s ferry port.

It is one of the main roads in and out of the city.

Police keep clearing them from the road but they keep running back in, blocking the carriageway in both directions.

They gathered first outside Norman House near the ferry port, a building that is used by the immigration service.

The protesters have now moved towards Portsmouth city centre.

Seems like its pretty intentional

www.bbc.com/news/live/cy8497l7dx8t?page=3

HumanPenguin ,
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Hate to give excuses for these people.

But nothing in these quotes would lead to legal proof that blocking traffic was the intent. It just leads to a group of 200 people trying to be noticed and avoiding police kettleing them.

The 5 Just Stop Oil protesters were shown to have discussed limiting the travel of vehicles. Heck, as dumb as it sounds. The fact they allowed ambulances through, shows blocking other traffic, was an intentional part of the plan.

Please remember, this is ion no way supposed to indicate I support the actions of these terrorists. Or oppose the actions of just stop oil. It is just a consideration o the actual legal justification in both cases.

Some other evidence of the intent of the protests to limit the movement of traffic is needed in this case.

Of course, with police filming and the number of phone vids made. Plus all the social media discussions leading up to the protests. That evidence may well become clear later on. But running onto the road to avoid police officers restricting their movements does not in itself prove a desire to limit traffic flow.

apotheotic ,

Oh sure, I can absolutely see how they’d avoid getting the same punishments as the JSO folks. Don’t worry I don’t think you’re a Nazi for looking at the realistic scenario of whether they get the same punishments.

wewbull , in UK riots: how does the violence compare with unrest in August 2011?

I finding it difficult to tell. It’s certainly more wide spread, but 2011 was 3-4 days (I think) of continual riots in the same area. This feels more like there’s a tour of the country going on.

snausagesinablanket , in Royal Mint opens factory in south Wales to recover gold from e-waste
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Where does all the e-waste go after the gold is extracted?

metaStatic ,

India

Flax_vert ,

Aren’t they buying our waste to extract the precious metals? So now we basically sell the waste to them pre-extracted

DrCake ,

Shhh, don’t tell them

Flax_vert ,

We’re scamming india back. I’m down.

HumanPenguin ,
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Mint is only interested in one metal.

Others exist in e waste. Somi assume it would just be reduced price.

Of course I am in no way agreeing the exporting of dangerous heavy metal waste etc is a good thing. Just not likely completely unwanted.

GreatAlbatross ,
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TheGrandNagus , (edited ) in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise

Nothing materialised in Newcastle, aside from 800+ 3000+ (800 were just in one street, but there were more elsewhere) counter-protestors that caused zero trouble.

Plus there was this gem of a picture lol:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ec78450b-5fbf-45e1-a6de-ec519ccc7f1d.jpeg

E: updated number

IndiBrony ,
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So fucking proud of my home ❤️ can’t say the same about the mackems, sadly 😅

AFC1886VCC ,

Beautiful lmao

HumanPenguin ,
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Love it. Fantastic how a silly joke can get the piint accross so well.

HumanPenguin ,
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Ok im leaving that typo far to appropriate to fix.

Gradually_Adjusting , (edited ) in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise
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I am here to reiterate that Sir Starmer’s idea of increasing the number of police would be a fundamentally flawed reaction.

Edit: the point is kindly rescinded - I do best when I stay in my wheelhouse

xor ,

I think you misunderstand the idea - he wasn’t proposing hiring more police, but temporarily increasing the total man-hours being worked to make sure there is sufficient capacity to respond

There’s a significant number of police staff, including those who usually work non-citizen-facing roles, who are trained to be riot police, for circumstances just like this.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Thanks, that does sound more reasonable than the impression I had.

Emperor OP ,
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It’s creative accounting because hiring more police takes time and costs money - getting some of the back room onto normal rounds frees up those with riot training.

GreatAlbatross ,
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Like the bit at the end of Hot Fuzz when the whole office puts on riot gear.

Minarble ,
The_Che_Banana , in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise
floofloof , in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise

Well done UK! So good to see people coming together to deter these nasty cowards.

echodot ,

They’ve been reminded that their actions cause them to face consequences. They are a bit dim so you do have to remind them of that occasionally. I’m sure the 150 people attested in the last 24 hours has probably put some dampener on their spirits. Especially because more arrests will be coming, and a lot of them will be looking over their shoulders right now

thehatfox , in Thousands of counter-protesters take to UK streets as far-right unrest fails to materialise
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Hopefully this is the turning point, and the disorder will now fade out.

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