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ruckblack ,

This is the second TIL about obscure incel information posted by this account in the past few days. What’s with the incel research, Don?

dumbass ,
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Maybe Don Dickle isn’t getting their Dickel Donned

Don_Dickle OP ,

As a woman i was wondering about the root causes of it and if it can be stopped because I have a feeling that some Incels will take out their hate for women on a woman.

Nougat , (edited )

That's because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward. When that kind of shift is awkward, dropping one of the sounds entirely (usually the first one) is common.

  • Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the "l")
  • Receipt
  • Schedule (was originally pronounced with a "s-ch" combination, now is "sk" in America and "sh" in the UK)

There's plenty of common English words that have also changed spelling to go along with that pronunciation, though I can't recall any at the moment.

Edit: Thought of one: Donut. Yes, the "old-timey" spelling was "doughnut," and is still found in relatively common use. Long ago that "gh" in there was pronounced like a "phlegmmy 'h'." As that sound fell out of use, it eventually fell completely out of the word "donut."

JusticeForPorygon ,
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You mean to tell me we were supposed to pronounce the “p” in receipt?

Nougat ,

Long ago, yes.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I really hope your wife is named Caramel.

henfredemars ,

But would that be pronounced care-a-mell or car-mall?

Lost_My_Mind ,

Care-mel obviously.

frazorth ,

In the UK it is pronounced ca-ra-mel.

Lost_My_Mind ,

That’s because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward.

So you’re telling me the original Invcel term couldn’t get anyone to accept it?

Isn’t that the ultimate irony?

Rentlar ,

The last one is like you took the word chess and put it in a blender. S-chematic, s-chtick, s-cheme, s-cholar…

would_be_appreciated ,

Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the “l”)

See, this is a weird one, because I don’t know anybody who pronounces the “L” here, but calm, balm, or psalm you would.

BackOnMyBS , (edited )
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Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Psalm, yes. But “calm” or “balm” are actually pronounced more like “caam” or “baam” in many situations.

Cagi ,

Some people make up an L in “both” and pronounce it “bolth”. Like an ass.

1stTime4MeInMCU ,

Pronouncing schedule like s-chedule is really fun. Not sure I know of any English words that have those two phonemes next to each other

JackGreenEarth ,

It’s not as simple as shedule in the UK, skedule in the US. For example, in my part of the UK it’s pronounced skedule too

INeedMana ,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

Wait… What? I’m not supposed to pronounce the l in salmon?

klemptor ,
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Or folk, or yolk

INeedMana ,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

🤯

So basically L before consonants is generally mute?

klemptor ,
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I wouldn’t say so - I can think of several counter examples off the top of my head: mold, wild, kiln

RudeOnTuesdays ,

I think it depends on the person/region you live in. The “l” in salmon was probably originally intended to b pronounced, but linguistic shift has dropped the “l” in some areas.

Cryophilia ,

It’s nuts to me that the incel movement was started by a woman.

I was around back when the Red Pill subreddit was first getting off the ground. It used to be quite sane, a safe space for men. Venting was allowed, but misogyny was not (in a similar way to how you put up with a woman saying “all men are trash” when she’s in the post breakup anger phase). But eventually, the tidal wave of misogynistic men overthrew the sane ones, and it became what it’s known for now.

ContrarianTrail ,

Why are people speaking of incels as if that’s some kind of club you need to apply for membership? Isn’t it by definition something you’re part of against your own will? That’s like talking about people under 6ft tall as some sort of secret society plotting the takeover of the world.

JasonDJ ,

Being incel isn’t just about not getting laid…the important part is blaming everyone else for it. The term then gets co-opted as the people who blame everyone else for not getting laid.

expr ,

It really has nothing to do with whether or not they can have sex. That’s just a pretense for really fucked up ideas about sex, relationships, and women as a whole.

INeedMana ,
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I think it’s like racists. Whether one wants to be one or not is not tied with being one or not. That doesn’t mean they all have one secret handshake

sumguyonline ,

And Wiccanism (literally meaning wicked ones) the rape cult has roots in Hapsburg Germany cults from prior to WW2, I guess they just let anyone in here huh?

frazorth ,

Where did you pull that one from?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca#History

Doom ,

what the shit are you talking about

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